Octopus Overlords

Unagi wrote:

Newcastle wrote:it's just i am frustrated Unagi, very frustrated. And its not personal in any sense...look at it from my view point. ...you work your ass off to get a huge project done...and then...you get rewarded by a big...uhm, F.U....i think you're bad....wouldn't you be frustrated and pissed off?

I'd like to point out that I don't think I was as outwardly rude with my post, as you are implying with the 'F.U'

But. Yes, I can understand your frustration. And as you've said - your frustration with me is founded in multiple ways, so - I can see how this would just push you over the edge. (And I'm honestly sorry I've pissed you off so many ways in this game, I assure you, I honestly hold you in very high regard and you've always treated me and every other player so well in the past, that I'm honestly troubled that I've upset you so much.)

Now, regarding 'the game at hand'...
I've been playing this whole game this whole time. I've put just as much into this as you - just because you took 6 days off, and hence felt you owed it to us to compose a couple of huge posts, doesn't give your effort any special 'status', it's fair game - like everyone elses.

I know you aren't trying to say that I simply must believe you - but if you aren't saying that - what are you saying? I mean, you really just let me have it up there... and all because I wanted to test you first.

How's this Newcastle.
I found Lassr and pr0ner to be just as possibly evil. I wanted to test you First - because I felt we would benefit FROM YOUR ANALYSIS *only* if we could accept it as 'trusted'. You can not become trusted in this game until you are dead. You are a good first test for that very reason. (this was why pr0ner is such a horrible 'first' test... he's a better "Last Test", but I felt that one of the Quiet Players must be Balaam, and hence best to test you and pr0ner before we test Lassr.

There, that's that. I didin't feel you were obviosully 100% Evil, I felt this was the best order to test our untrusted in.

Unagi - what i am saying is frustration; i pointed out a lot of things in there that i thought were relevant. and it seems as if they were dismissed....look at the "only looking for two section" then look at the "unknown fiasco". I thought those were pretty damn relevant. It just felt as if they were dismissed....because you 100% trust Rev...and i just think you have blinders on is all.

And no, I am not accorded special status due to any length of posts...

I mean honestly unagi, you have led us down a few paths here, and yes you are trusted, yet when you dig into me...its like great here we go again, we're going to whiff, and we are going to be down to our final at bat tomorrow. Not a position i want us to be in.

kind of a lot of things mixed into one that boiled up.

- and i do apologize, i probably shouldve taken a deep breath.

Newcastle wrote:I mean honestly unagi, you have led us down a few paths here, and yes you are trusted, yet when you dig into me...its like great here we go again, we're going to whiff, and we are going to be down to our final at bat tomorrow. Not a position i want us to be in.

+1000

stessier wrote:I disagree with your reasoning here (but then I guess you already knew that). Testing someone just so you can trust their analysis is crazy. He's not special and has no more insight into the game than any of us. If he's Good, then once he's dead, we'll have exactly the same information he had while he was alive.

You misread my point stessier.
I find Newcastle potentially evil. About equal in my head with pr0ner and Lassr.

I feel we have our best chance at finding 'Balaam', due to his probable low profile play.

I feel that's where our first 'miss' (if we have any) should be applied, to the 'balaam' guesses.

The order of my test was to get 1 hit out of Newcastle & pr0ner.

Scoop20906 wrote:

Newcastle wrote:I mean honestly unagi, you have led us down a few paths here, and yes you are trusted, yet when you dig into me...its like great here we go again, we're going to whiff, and we are going to be down to our final at bat tomorrow. Not a position i want us to be in.

+1000

Thanks Scoop. Seriously. thanks

Newcastle wrote:

Unagi wrote: Honestly, I am not sure how to even engage you in a conversation right now, nor why you want to engage me in one. I've clearly royally pissed you off somehow, and I feel I've just played the game.

You clearly wanted to be considered innocent, and well - in the interest of good spirits - I'll just do that for ya here. I consider you on the Good-Guy team. There you have it.

(strange game, indeed)

I'll leave it to the rest of you to pick who to test.

May as well be Revhempus.

Talking would be a good start
just read through what i said is all. You've ticked me off, but not royally...thats hard to do. Consider me bad, good, evil, nice, jimny cricket, a walrus, whatever...it dont bother me...it's your thought process and your game play...

reason i am ticked...i felt like you kept on asking for it and asking..pestering almost...look back to this morning, it seemed like every 30 minutes...you asked is it done yet? then when it's done, its a smear campaign. I just dont like my intentions to be misconstrued like that.

You know this point you made that I was totally pushing you and making you uncomfortable while making this large post of yours bothered me, because I remember I purposefully tried to avoid that. So I went back, and here is how that all played out in real time.

(my times are central)

Sat @ 3:59pm, you say you are going to suck it up and start to help.
Sat @ 4:11pm, you tell us not to expect anything until later in the day.
Sat @ 10:56pm, Lassr quotes your post and attaches a guy looking at his watch.

Sun @1:46am, you post saying that we can expect your post 'tomorrow', presumably meaning 'Sunday'.

Sun @12:25pm, you post saying you are still working on it, but you will get it out 'today'.
Sun @3:14pm, you come back and say your are close to being done.
Sun @6:51pm, you came back to say it was about done.
Sun @7:34pm, We get your first post.

It was large but you noted that you weren't actually done, you had more, but that we could probably see where you were going.

I honestly could not. Don't get me wrong, I could sense Rev was working up your list, but I couldn't tell what you were making of Scoop, pr0ner, or Lassr at all *(hence the smear feeling I got).

By this point in time, I never once pressed you to hurry up, etc.

Sun @7:37pm, you state that you are going to take a break, but that you will post something more later on that night.

Mon @11:22am, I (for the very first time) engage you directly regarding your post. I tell you that, unlike your assumption - I can't tell where you were going , and that you never gave the followup you had said you were going to make. (see above.) I wanted to chime in that I was hoping to hear who your top 3 suspects were.

Mon @12:05pm, I point out that you and pr0ner still need to pick your vote choice for the day (so that we can move forward to phase-2 of this day).

Mon @12:08pm, you ask me to be patient.
Mon @12:13pm, you report that an error you found was causing a delay.
Mon @12:28pm, I try to joke with you about my impatience... I was trying to sound like the impatient little Luke Skywalker, I was making fun of Myself.

Mon @1:04pm, stessier says he wants to read your post and waiting for it is like waiting for paint to dry.
Mon @1:12pm, you tell stessier that you are still working on it.
Mon @1:48pm, I tried to make another joke - this was supposed to be a pun of "News at 11:00", but I said "Newcastle at 11:00". Again, I was 1) eager to read the post but 2) not wanting to pester you.

Mon @2:41pm - We get your super big post with links and personal opinions, etc... the whole package.


So, when you wrote:

Newcastle wrote:all the while I was working on it Unagi, you kept on going..is it done yet? is it done yet? seriously look how many times you psoted that...

I honestly don't feel like I was agressive with you on this at all. Damn, dude - I put that "Cahoot's" joke in there specifically for YOU, in an attempt to keep things friendly even though I felt you were perhaps "the opposing side". And here is where it's gotten me.

And regarding Rev. No - I don't trust him 100%, but I have to pick 3 people to suspect and 2 people to trust. I am OK with my choice.

you realize that I was working on it right? you do realize it took me about 12-15 hours to compile and get done? so when i said i was working on it, I was. sorry if I wasnt fast enough....

so when you come around and shout evil at me, after all that effort; wouldnt you be pissed too?

and to top it off, been feeling the burnout effect; that coupled with not exactly enthusiastic about doing it....loss of time i could be doing other things over the weekend, because I knew it would be a lot of work. Yes, i did do other things over teh weekend, but that really dominated it. Hell it was a nice sunday here, did I go out and enjoy it...no I was slaving away working on it.

Then for it to be dismissed as such.....wouldn't that tick you off too?

and sorry if I wanted to do other things in my life Unagi; i love playing these games at times, but I try not to obsess over em too much..sometimes i do...and well I put in that effort that I felt everyone deserved. I put away my reluctance to do it...shelved teh burnout feelings.... i wanted to make a good strong effort...and thorough and in order to do that...well i had to be that thorough.

so putting that out there, putting the work in, then for it to be so casually dismissed.

Unagi, i went back through the whole frigging thread...all of it..I would like to see you do that and come back with all of that...then have someone dismiss it...and then not only that...say nope...think you're evil... i think you would then understand my position.

and yes you came across as whiny loud and clear....that also didn't help.

it was your posts this morning; i mean yes I said I had more...and i didn't do it on sunday night...it's like you kept on pushing, and pushing, and pushing. it honestly irked me unagi.

i thought ok, the summary will be great to get done...but it's as if it wasn't enough...when in reality it was a lot that i had done.

See where i am coming from now unagi?

also am on pacific time

I don't feel I was pressing you, so I am not going to address the whole "Sorry if I wasn't fast enough" comment.

And regarding all of your hard work.
I have no idea what you want from me out of this.
Do you want me to apologize and everyone move on and accept that you were indeed pissed because you are indeed innocent?

Shall we just say this.
I appologize Newcastle. It was insensative of me to press you, even in good spirits, for more information. And - I also appologize for leaping to the conclusion that you were misleading us.

You are indeed innocent. Because you were indeed pissed at me for discounting your long post.

The only other option is that you were faking this and have bullied me through my meta concerns regarding our relationship outside of this one game. And - I honestly know you wouldn't do that.

Lets just be happy we got that cleared up before anyone followed my lead.

OK, so - pr0ner? Lassr? Rev?

unagi - what was the point of the time stamp post? If it was to get the last word in this little bit....then i wont respond, and I will let you have it. I still dont think you understand where i am coming from. But whatever.

state your case why you think i am evil, if i feel like it, i'll respond.

Newcastle wrote:unagi - what was the point of the time stamp post? If it was to get the last word in this little bit....then i wont respond, and I will let you have it. I still dont think you understand where i am coming from. But whatever.

state your case why you think i am evil, if i feel like it, i'll respond.

To be clear.
I understand how you got frustrated with me.
I don't agree that I was pressing you. My time stamp message was meant to show the timeline, and I felt it showed that I did not press you, over and over and over and over like you suggested. I am not trying to have the last word, but I don't need to continue to talk about it either. I accept how you took it, and I understand.

I do understand where you are coming from.
and therefor - I don't feel there is any chance you are evil. You wouldn't play -hurt- on the level that you did. You wouldn't personally address me the way you did unless you were truly dejected by my play. So, no - I am not going to say how you may be Evil. You aren't, you can't be, you made that clear with your honest reaction.

Unagi wrote: I would suggest we follow those two up with Lassr (Lassr, who's been spewing his meta abscences so often in this game, I think it's a hint that he's not evil. If he is evil - oh the shame and headache he will have in future games with that M.O.)

META:
Had to comment on this META. I will never use META to make a play in the game. Whether I'm good or evil in this game has nothing to do with my META statements. March is POP time at NASA where we start doing our FY10 budget submittal to congress and it is spring break this week for my kids.

SO please do not take into consideration my META statements when determining which side I'm on in this game. If I am evil or good it would be the same level of participation.

Thank you and now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Yes, I kept you in my untrusted, even though I think your meta was meaninless. I just needed to comment on it Ezmate.

Unagi wrote:I have read everything in Newcastle's post and I must say. I disagree. The analysis is OK, the conclusions I think are deliberately misleading. It also smells a lot like a smear campaign. I have, over just the last few days re-visited my concerns on Revhempus a number of times - and each time I come up with: "Nope, it is just not clicking".


Newcastle's example of when Rev came out from being Grund's contact - Gunning to test Chaos (as it was Grund's request to him to do that). This is not something an evil Rev would do. Also - I totally don't buy into Newcastles point that Chaos called Rev out on his 'List Error', just to stay clean. To accept this, you need to think that the Bad Guys (with three players perfectly hidden) would start that day by 1 claiming that our trusted Grundbegriff wanted to test Chaos, and then Chaos would point out errors in Rev's list?
No. I don't buy this - none of it.


My top suspects (in order) are:

Newcastle
pr0ner
Lassr

I feel that Newcastle or pr0ner is likely Balaam.
I feel that Lassr or pr0ner is likely Legion.


The only way we get to actually have 3 misses is if we hit Once in our first Two tries.
So, lets try and do just that (or Better).
My plan to maximize our misses is to put the two people who I think are most likely to generate a 'Hit' as the first two lynch choices.
Newcastle would be my first shot. (if he dies 'Good', we can take his analysis more to heart, if we don't we'll still have the Newcastle concern hanging over us)
Should I live tonight, tomorrow I would test pr0ner. (and if I die, I strongly suggest we continue to follow this plan.)
I would suggest we follow those two up with Lassr (Lassr, who's been spewing his meta abscences so often in this game, I think it's a hint that he's not evil. If he is evil - oh the shame and headache he will have in future games with that M.O.)

Newcastle's last few days, I feel, were an attempt to create the illusion that he is trying to be very careful, and very helpful... and that he cares about a good-guy victory.

Think people.


To Scoop and Rev:
Yes, I see what both of you see in each other here. Believe me, I do. I think you are both wrong. I've thought a lot about it, and I am fairly satisfied with that. Could I be wrong? Well, I'm human and won't try and insist I am always right, but I have not come to this conclusion lightly, and I do feel good regarding it. I strongly urge the two of you to accept one another.

Just getting on and catching up. First of all before reading any further. Withdraw Scoop. More to come.

Unagi wrote:Yes, I kept you in my untrusted, even though I think your meta was meaninless. I just needed to comment on it Ezmate.

i.e., just so I don't upset you, let me be clear.

I was trying to say: If you turn up Evil, I'd like to point out all of your Ezmates. (I think I am using that term correctly, and I appologize if I am not)

Unagi wrote:Yes, I kept you in my untrusted, even though I think your meta was meaninless. I just needed to comment on it Ezmate.

OK. I just want it understood for this game and any other game that I will NEVER use anything labeled "META" to hide behind.
So if any of my META made anyone lean innocent please erase that thought and stick me back in evil or neutral. I do not want my META to affect the game.

Lassr wrote:

Unagi wrote: I would suggest we follow those two up with Lassr (Lassr, who's been spewing his meta abscences so often in this game, I think it's a hint that he's not evil. If he is evil - oh the shame and headache he will have in future games with that M.O.)

META:
Had to comment on this META. I will never use META to make a play in the game. Whether I'm good or evil in this game has nothing to do with my META statements. March is POP time at NASA where we start doing our FY10 budget submittal to congress and it is spring break this week for my kids.

SO please do not take into consideration my META statements when determining which side I'm on in this game. If I am evil or good it would be the same level of participation.

Thank you and now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Lassr, I got to give you credit with all that on your plate, I'm glad you find the time to play our silly game.

uh..Newcastle, you may need one of these. They work for me.

Scoop20906 wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Unagi wrote: I would suggest we follow those two up with Lassr (Lassr, who's been spewing his meta abscences so often in this game, I think it's a hint that he's not evil. If he is evil - oh the shame and headache he will have in future games with that M.O.)

META:
Had to comment on this META. I will never use META to make a play in the game. Whether I'm good or evil in this game has nothing to do with my META statements. March is POP time at NASA where we start doing our FY10 budget submittal to congress and it is spring break this week for my kids.

SO please do not take into consideration my META statements when determining which side I'm on in this game. If I am evil or good it would be the same level of participation.

Thank you and now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Lassr, I got to give you credit with all that on your plate, I'm glad you find the time to play our silly game.

this has been one of the more challenging games time wise. I usually keep a nice excel spreadsheet with events each game day and notes. I have resorted to quick sticky notes this game. Half at home and half at work. I'll be back to work tomorrow and I'll have access to the notes I made last week.

Scoop20906 wrote:This should help some of you. Those of you who don't believe me, I will be telling you, "I told you so" later:

Possible Demons:
Lassr
pr0ner
RevHempus71

Two of these three are Demons. If we vote out two of these three we will hit a demon which means we can get the 2nd the next day. Winning Strategy!

My Trusted
Newcastle
Scoop20906
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Hey Unagi, instead of doing a timeline of how many times you nagged Newcastle, why don't you look over my post and pick a candidate from the three possible demons.

Unagi, no need to apologize to Newcastle, you're just doing your job. I think his brain imploded from all that reading and taking notes. I know mine would and I wouldn't have it in me to do that.

So, on Newcastle's novel:
It's seems to me that he actually did what he said, I mean he provided links, so this is not a case of saying he read it all and gave a summary. So nice job Newcastle. Kudos, whatever.

Now, I too, like Unagi, wondered if this was a very elaborate scheme to frame RevHempus. Some of the stuff he points out didn't do much to convince me about RevHempus but other stuff I had noticed before his post.

I've said I thought Rev or Scoop was Legion. I've been trying to nail the active demon first because if it comes down to Newcastle or pr0ner then to be honest I'm not sure which way I'd vote. I was leaning Newcastle but damn that was a lot of effort for a demon.

If the demons are pr0ner and Newcastle then I think we are screwed but I just can't see 2 quiet demons (although Newcastle has more than made up for his quietness).

OK, I going to bed soon. Weeding the flower beds as worn me out.

META Note: I'm really freaking going to bed! My shoulder hurts and I'm tired!

Scoop20906 wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:This should help some of you. Those of you who don't believe me, I will be telling you, "I told you so" later:

Possible Demons:
Lassr
pr0ner
RevHempus71

Two of these three are Demons. If we vote out two of these three we will hit a demon which means we can get the 2nd the next day. Winning Strategy!

My Trusted
Newcastle
Scoop20906
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Hey Unagi, instead of doing a timeline of how many times you nagged Newcastle, why don't you look over my post and pick a candidate from the three possible demons.

Let have fun and pick Revhempus.

I don't know where to begin. I am shocked at the emotion displayed here of late. If I am the cause of such reaction, I am sorry.


Now, Newcastle you have done a hell of a job going over the entire thread. However, it reads to me like you went throught the thread with blinders on about me. I am a simple Priest as you must be. I actually find myself wishing I could have come to this conclusion without the emotion outburst(not meant to belittle anything...OK).

I am not afraid to die, but testing me will be a miss.

Given the state of affairs at this time my suspect list is very narrow.
Pr0ner
Lassr
Scoop
that is in order.

Proner that is my honest vote.

That's cool, Rev and thanks for putting a vote out there. I am going to have to stick with my vote on you just based on the number of red flags you raised.

I guess now it is up to the known trusted. You guys going to vote now?

Votes:

Lassr - Scoop20906
Newcastle - Newcastle
pr0ner - RevHempus71
RevHempus71 - pr0ner
Scoop20906 - RevHempus71
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

Vote Totals:
RevHempus71 = 2 votes
Scoop20906 = 1 vote
Newcastle = 1 vote
Pr0ner = 1 vote

Votes not registered:
Unagi, stessier, Zurai

Majority is 5 votes.

Newcastle. Last game I fucked up and voted for you. Don't make the same mistake with me.


I will say, everything I have done this game, both intentional and non, have served a purpose. It will be seen in post game. This is the first game I actually tried to play for myself. I tried not to be led around. It may have appeared to be at times, but I was still playing my game. Look over your notes and think, what badguys would let me do what I have done. You see, maybe I am wrong, but I only see one team in these games. The badguys. The goodguys are are on thier own untill an unkown time when someone gets outed.

Scoop20906 wrote:That's cool, Rev and thanks for putting a vote out there. I am going to have to stick with my vote on you just based on the number of red flags you raised.

I guess now it is up to the known trusted. You guys going to vote now?

I will say Scoop, you are going to hate me more when you find out I am an innocent. You have been consitently correct about your inability to read me.

Lastly, to Scoop and Newcastle. It is obvious that I am a big distraction to you both. That being said I ask you to save testing me for tomarrow. Today the village needs to get a demon, if anything just to get another day.
6 vs 2
Lynch(hit)/Kill
5 vs 1
Lynch(miss)/Kill
3 vs 1

RevHempus71 wrote:Lastly, to Scoop and Newcastle. It is obvious that I am a big distraction to you both. That being said I ask you to save testing me for tomarrow. Today the village needs to get a demon, if anything just to get another day.
6 vs 2
Lynch(hit)/Kill
5 vs 1
Lynch(miss)/Kill
3 vs 1

I don't think the order matters, today or tomorrow.
As long as we get a hit one of those days, we will get an extra 'day' to get the last guy.

Unagi wrote:

RevHempus71 wrote:Lastly, to Scoop and Newcastle. It is obvious that I am a big distraction to you both. That being said I ask you to save testing me for tomarrow. Today the village needs to get a demon, if anything just to get another day.
6 vs 2
Lynch(hit)/Kill
5 vs 1
Lynch(miss)/Kill
3 vs 1

I don't think the order matters, today or tomorrow.
As long as we get a hit one of those days, we will get an extra 'day' to get the last guy.

True, but going into tomarrow with a little breathing room is better than none at all.

RevHempus71 wrote:

Unagi wrote:

RevHempus71 wrote:Lastly, to Scoop and Newcastle. It is obvious that I am a big distraction to you both. That being said I ask you to save testing me for tomarrow. Today the village needs to get a demon, if anything just to get another day.
6 vs 2
Lynch(hit)/Kill
5 vs 1
Lynch(miss)/Kill
3 vs 1

I don't think the order matters, today or tomorrow.
As long as we get a hit one of those days, we will get an extra 'day' to get the last guy.

True, but going into tomarrow with a little breathing room is better than none at all.

Couldn't you be concerned about making breathing room for your team too though?

How so? Why do the badguys need breathing room. They know exactly what they have to do.

RevHempus71 wrote:How so? Why do the badguys need breathing room. They know exactly what they have to do.

I guess I am just saying, if they are sure you are evil, why wait a day?
You 'giving us breathing room' is based on the assumption you are good. If they think you are evil, why would they be inclined to also assume you are good?

You are right. Ok, if you must have at me.

Lassr - Scoop20906
Newcastle - Newcastle (was leaning RevHempus71)
pr0ner - RevHempus71
RevHempus71 - pr0ner
Scoop20906 - RevHempus71
Unagi
stessier
Zurai

RevHempus71 = 2 votes (3 if you count Newcastle)
Scoop20906 = 1 vote
Newcastle = 1 vote
Pr0ner = 1 vote

So, if Revhempus turns up evil.
This is interesting.
This would imply that we have 3 simple priests (Newcastle,Scoop,pr0ner)pointing at one Demon (Rev), and the two Demons (Rev/Lassr) left pointing off in other directions?

(or we have a demon in the mix giving up a demon Rev)

If Revhempus is indeed evil.

I'm surprised you really think Rev is worth testing. I don't think he is Evil. However, I have been wrong before (yes, I know, shocking). Additionally, the closer we get to Easter, the less time I'll have to think about this. While this might actually be a good thing for the Temple, I also don't want to hold anything up.

So, while I still think pr0ner is a much better choice, I'm willing to go with Rev if that is what people want.

And when Unagi dies tonight, then I just have to fight Scoop for Alpha Brother status and the Temple is Mine! All MINE!!! AHAHHAHAHAHHA!

*cough* Sorry, what was I saying?

RevHempus71 wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:That's cool, Rev and thanks for putting a vote out there. I am going to have to stick with my vote on you just based on the number of red flags you raised.

I guess now it is up to the known trusted. You guys going to vote now?

I will say Scoop, you are going to hate me more when you find out I am an innocent. You have been consitently correct about your inability to read me.

Pr0ner, even though I can't read you, I won't ever hate you. I really enjoy your effect on the game.

That being said, if you think you have some examples of how you have been "playing" the game that can point me in a direction other than voting for you, I am interested in hearing them.

Right now, I have:
Rev - Legion
pr0ner/Lassr - Balaam

Here are my current feelings:

-->Lassr voted Scoop20906 (consistent whole game long)
-->Rev voted first for Scoop20906 then switched to pr0ner. Rev has asked to be tested tomorrow, and not today (Hmmmm)
-->pr0ner voted for Rev after Rev tried implicate him.
-->Newcastle gave his findings that pr0ner is a demon but has a vote on himself currently (PLEASE drop this)
-->Unagi thinks newcastle is a demon due to his inactivity for a majority of the game.
-->Zurai is undecided
-->Stessier thinks Rev is innocent, wants to vote for pr0ner

So far, nothing to change my mind about Rev but if I am wrong, please I want to hear a ton of "I told you so" for my screw up.

withdraw Scoop

I lack the confidence in my Scoop pick to stick with it. I've been wrong many times in these end day situations (except for the last game, it was Grundbegriff dammit!).

I'll go with my #2 RevHempus. The separation between #1 scoop and #2 Rev is not enough to make me stick to my guns.