That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://garbi.online/forum/
Why do they need immunity if it is safe to reopen?LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:00 am Kudlow on CNBC calling for legislation/EO to block liability lawsuits for businesses that open up.
They've now added an addendum to their addendum, claiming an "editing error":Grifman wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:43 pm This is embarrassing:
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1252612885731147776
I read the original article early on when there were a lot of disputes about the estimated covid-19 death toll. So a lawyer at the Hoover Institute wrote an article where he strongly disputed the CDC estimates. In his article he estimated the total US deaths at 500. A day or so later, he changed it and in a footnote said he was off a factor of 10 and said that this was an error, he meant 5,000. Fair enough, that seemed a reasonable explanation as the death toll at the time of the article was 592 so the error seemed obvious.
However, if you now look at the article, he says his original estimate was 5,000, which is tens time less than he meant it to be so his original estimate was 50,000. So the guy is trying to alter history, and retcon his original estimate. If the Hoover Institute wishes to maintain whatever credibility they have, he needs to face consequences for trying to falsify his article.
Always bet on black! The black plague!Alefroth wrote:Las Vegas mayor thinks the market should decide which casinos close.
Maybe the casinos with more infections can offer better odds.
That's good. I heard from a relative there that she's at odds with the governor.malchior wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:31 pmShe is bonkers. Luckily from what I saw she doesn't actually have much power to do anything.
That's the rub. We should just make a mention and move on. Honestly the main reason these type of know-nothings keep getting attention is for them to get dunked on. It isn't productive. The media has an addiction to pushing the outliers out front to drive the conversation and it is part of the destructive cycle we are all in the middle of.
That's the rub, they aren't really outliers anymore.malchior wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:45 pmThat's the rub. We should just make a mention and move on. Honestly the main reason these type of know-nothings keep getting attention is for them to get dunked on. It isn't productive. The media has an addiction to pushing the outliers out front to drive the conversation and it is part of the destructive cycle we are all in the middle of.
Well, that and the know nothings keep getting elected to public office.malchior wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:45 pmThat's the rub. We should just make a mention and move on. Honestly the main reason these type of know-nothings keep getting attention is for them to get dunked on. It isn't productive. The media has an addiction to pushing the outliers out front to drive the conversation and it is part of the destructive cycle we are all in the middle of.
Speak of the devil - they made a big update. Proceed with caution.malchior wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:14 pmI can't caution enough against reading anything into this visualization. Their algorithm produces a drastically different result day to day. For example, at one point early in the week CT was at the far left of the scale. And then was 2nd from the right day the next day. Their model isn't even close to stable. I can't even prove this because the results from yesterday are based on a re-compute from today that has different results.hitbyambulance wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:56 pm top three 'spreader' states are all ones without a shelter in place order:
from https://rt.live, of course
Based on suggestions and ideas from the community, we made a major model update on 4/23. The new version of this model accounts for variation in serial interval and delay between onset of symptoms and a positive test. Because of these changes, it is also more robust to large changes in reported tests. However, this also means that Rt will be far less variable day-to-day than the previous model.
As in the prior version, the model is available as a notebook.
Somewhere at the base of all these weird theories there's a driving motivator. The first block. Is it religion, and maybe the belief that there's no way MY GOD could be so cruel? Is it a belief that there's no way people can be so frail? Is it a belief that their lives are somehow blessed or gifted?Skinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:20 am...this COVID-19 thing has just pushed him over the edge...
Sitting at home reading social media and right wing news innuendo. Don't think for a second that OO isn't in the same boat. Everyone here keeps posting reinforcement after reinforcement that Trump's malaria drug has no basis in reality when INSERM is doing clinical trials and the drug has been used in France to treat COVID pre-19. I tend to think when you isolate yourself with people reinforcing what you already believe especially with emotional force you believe stronger. This why we should both trust and question authority. It's what science asks us to do to know the world better. Or as Izzy used to say all of the time.... Cite?
It must be weird for him to see Trump himself 'flirt' with the conspiracy then? I mean - wouldn't Trump still be calling it fake if it was? I know Trump is all over the place with his statements, but if this was all bullshit - he would be calling it only bullshit.Skinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:20 am Watching friends descend from conservative-leaning to full on lunacy over this has been sad to watch.
Good friend of mine was always conservative and we never saw eye to eye on anything political, but this COVID-19 thing has just pushed him over the edge. He’s become firmly convinced that the death counts are completely fabricated, that this is all a worldwide conspiracy to take down Trump, that the entire thing is the media’s fault and there is really no threat at all, that the government is getting ready to forcibly vaccinate people with Bill Gates’ microchip, and that Facebook is actively censoring everything he posts. I’ve always known him to be a smart, reasonable guy, but he has gone off the deep end into derpland.
Thankfully, I never had to watch my parents descend into Fox News hell, and have a renewed sympathy for those of you who have.
I thought most people here were saying that his pushing of the drug was irresponsible and ahead of the science, and also taking the drug from people with malaria? But yes. we are our own echo chamber.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 am Everyone here keeps posting reinforcement after reinforcement that Trump's malaria drug has no basis in reality when INSERM is doing clinical trials and the drug has been used in France to treat COVID pre-19.
Me too. I go nuts when people are willing to cite stuff when they google something that confirms their beliefs and then disregards the rest. Lie lalie. Lie lalie lie lalie. Lie lalie.YellowKing wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:24 am What gets me are the people who seemingly believe both the truth and the fiction at the same time. I've got several FB friends who will post safe social distancing guidelines and medical articles one day, and some crazy 5G/China bioweapon article the next. It's not necessarily that the beliefs aren't compatible, because you could certainly follow safe guidelines to protect yourself from China's 5G bioweapon, but it's frustrating that they put the New York Times and ConspiracyAmericaKKK journalists on the same level.
This.Unagi wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:24 amI thought most people here were saying that his pushing of the drug was irresponsible and ahead of the science, and also taking the drug from people with malaria? But yes. we are our own echo chamber.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 am Everyone here keeps posting reinforcement after reinforcement that Trump's malaria drug has no basis in reality when INSERM is doing clinical trials and the drug has been used in France to treat COVID pre-19.
I don't think I've seen anyone here say "There's no way in hell this is true" but I hear a lot of "It's really irresponsible to push something without science" - especially when I see more stories about people using this drug having heart failure in the news than I'm hearing about them being cured.Skinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:04 amThis.Unagi wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:24 amI thought most people here were saying that his pushing of the drug was irresponsible and ahead of the science, and also taking the drug from people with malaria? But yes. we are our own echo chamber.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 am Everyone here keeps posting reinforcement after reinforcement that Trump's malaria drug has no basis in reality when INSERM is doing clinical trials and the drug has been used in France to treat COVID pre-19.
Skinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:04 amThis.Unagi wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:24 amI thought most people here were saying that his pushing of the drug was irresponsible and ahead of the science, and also taking the drug from people with malaria? But yes. we are our own echo chamber.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 am Everyone here keeps posting reinforcement after reinforcement that Trump's malaria drug has no basis in reality when INSERM is doing clinical trials and the drug has been used in France to treat COVID pre-19.
The issue for people here was less about the drug itself, and more about Trump pushing it as some sort of "miracle cure" when it hadn't been proven to be so in any way, shape, or form yet. We all remain hopeful that, with testing, there will be a breakthrough. Hell, I'll be the first to trumpet it from the rooftops when there is, but his actions regarding the drug were wildly irresponsible and dangerous. That's the problem.
Look, I get that lots of people have varied resumes. That's not the issue here. But to jump from dog breeder to head of US Pandemic task force in two years with zero experience in the field? C'mon man...Shortly after his televised comments, Azar tapped a trusted aide with minimal public health experience to lead the agency’s day-to-day response to COVID-19. The aide, Brian Harrison, had joined the department after running a dog-breeding business for six years. Five sources say some officials in the White House derisively called him “the dog breeder.”
Two years later, at the dawn of the coronavirus crisis, Azar appointed his most trusted aide and chief of staff, Harrison, as HHS’s main coordinator for the government’s response to the virus.
Harrison, 37, was an unusual choice, with no formal education in public health, management, or medicine and with only limited experience in the fields. In 2006, he joined HHS in a one-year stint as a “Confidential Assistant” to Azar, who was then deputy secretary. He also had posts working for Vice President Dick Cheney, the Department of Defense and a Washington public relations company.
Before joining the Trump Administration in January 2018, Harrison’s official HHS biography says, he “ran a small business in Texas.” The biography does not disclose the name or nature of that business, but his personal financial disclosure forms show that from 2012 until 2018 he ran a company called Dallas Labradoodles.
The company sells Australian Labradoodles, a breed that is a cross between a Labrador Retriever and a Poodle. He sold it in April 2018, his financial disclosure form said. HHS emailed Reuters that the sale price was $225,000.
There's a reason the US is creeping up on a million cases soon and leading the world in known positives by quadruple the next-worst nation, and it has nothing to do with our population numbers. It's absolutely shit management at the Federal level with no coordination between any of the hands reaching into the pot to stir it. I suspect that a dog breeder running the pandemic is just another symptom.Skinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:23 amto jump from dog breeder to head of US Pandemic task force in two years with zero experience in the field? C'mon man...
I'll only speak to my post you linked to. Based on the administration's track record, I was highly skeptical that there was actual science available which actually proved it to be the cure-all that Trump was claiming. That's quite different than "discrediting the drug to discredit POTUS".LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:23 amSkinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:04 amThis.Unagi wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:24 amI thought most people here were saying that his pushing of the drug was irresponsible and ahead of the science, and also taking the drug from people with malaria? But yes. we are our own echo chamber.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 am Everyone here keeps posting reinforcement after reinforcement that Trump's malaria drug has no basis in reality when INSERM is doing clinical trials and the drug has been used in France to treat COVID pre-19.
The issue for people here was less about the drug itself, and more about Trump pushing it as some sort of "miracle cure" when it hadn't been proven to be so in any way, shape, or form yet. We all remain hopeful that, with testing, there will be a breakthrough. Hell, I'll be the first to trumpet it from the rooftops when there is, but his actions regarding the drug were wildly irresponsible and dangerous. That's the problem.
I don't think so. From the outset OO has been posting about discrediting the drug to discredit POTUS. Or maybe that's my own bias. shrug
http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewt ... 8#p2716288
http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p2719015
http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewt ... 3#p2719023
And sometimes that motive is as primitive as slamming someone's face into the ground so he can take back the spotlight.
I think you are right that we all want him discredited so much that we will knee-jerk into discrediting the things he's promoting, but I do think we are careful to find a legitimate reason that is 'real', and with Trump - I don't think we've failed.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:23 amSkinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:04 amThis.Unagi wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:24 amI thought most people here were saying that his pushing of the drug was irresponsible and ahead of the science, and also taking the drug from people with malaria? But yes. we are our own echo chamber.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:12 am Everyone here keeps posting reinforcement after reinforcement that Trump's malaria drug has no basis in reality when INSERM is doing clinical trials and the drug has been used in France to treat COVID pre-19.
The issue for people here was less about the drug itself, and more about Trump pushing it as some sort of "miracle cure" when it hadn't been proven to be so in any way, shape, or form yet. We all remain hopeful that, with testing, there will be a breakthrough. Hell, I'll be the first to trumpet it from the rooftops when there is, but his actions regarding the drug were wildly irresponsible and dangerous. That's the problem.
I don't think so. From the outset OO has been posting about discrediting the drug to discredit POTUS. Or maybe that's my own bias. shrug
http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewt ... 8#p2716288
http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p2719015
http://octopusoverlords.com/forum/viewt ... 3#p2719023
Well, I don't think it was ever "we want to discredit this even if it's true so that Trump will look bad." I think we're reflexively skeptical of anything that comes out of Trump's mouth, which I think is entirely fair given his track record. Like, I think if Trump was like "hey everyone, puppies are cute", we'd be all "ok, did Trump buy stock in a bunch of kennel companies or something?"LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:58 am Then it's my bias. Until I read stuff from the NIH, learned who INSERM were and then saw at least a vague statement on the clinical trials, I walked away from this thread believing chloro... may as well be colloidal silver. It wasn't until I heard someone arguing that it's not all POTUS arrogance and pointing to the NIH on past uses and studies related to a COVID virus that I felt I was getting something approaching a real story.
As they say, it's not the poison, it's the dose. Same with the cure.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:58 am Then it's my bias. Until I read stuff from the NIH, learned who INSERM were and then saw at least a vague statement on the clinical trials, I walked away from this thread believing chloro... may as well be colloidal silver. It wasn't until I heard someone arguing that it's not all POTUS arrogance and pointing to the NIH on past uses and studies related to a COVID virus that I felt I was getting something approaching a real story.
My reading suggests the thing going on is that not only is COVID-19 causing the pneumonia that is killing en masse but it is also attacking at the vascular level and the hyrochlorofragilisticexperthalitosis is hard on the vascular system... and heart problems being 1 leg of my multifactor high risk, I personally will pass unless my medical professionals can dumb down why the cure is less dangerous to me than that treatment and Ima keep isolating.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:30 am As they say, it's not the poison, it's the dose. Same with the cure.
Throughout this entire pandemic, from the beginning, it's been safer to get your news and critical updates anywhere BUT the federal government. That's not anti-Trump bias - that's watching them delay the response, deny science, fire scientists, bully researchers, actively encourage infection rates, and push that we need to sacrifice people to the economy like some sort of god out of ancient times.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:44 amI try very hard not put up my antiTrump blinders but I'm not smart or knowledgeable enough to know, so matter what I read I still defer to medical professionals telling me specifically i should do.
Population is absolutely a major factor.Paingod wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:31 amThere's a reason the US is creeping up on a million cases soon and leading the world in known positives by quadruple the next-worst nation, and it has nothing to do with our population numbers. It's absolutely shit management at the Federal level with no coordination between any of the hands reaching into the pot to stir it. I suspect that a dog breeder running the pandemic is just another symptom.Skinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:23 amto jump from dog breeder to head of US Pandemic task force in two years with zero experience in the field? C'mon man...
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavir ... d=70301746About 13.9% of the 3,000 New Yorkers who were part of randomized antibody tests in the state were infected and developed an antibody, according to Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
