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I don't think that succeeds until he gets the nomination, which is starting to lose a little of it's aura of inevitability.tgb wrote:If it was revealed tomorrow that this whole thing was a long con engineered by the Clintons to a)guarantee a Hillary victory and b)decimate the GOP, I wouldn't be surprised in the least. They're certainly capable of it.
+1Kraken wrote:The events of the past few days have persuaded me that Trump can't keep the con going through November. He's already exhausted his best material. The outrages that he needs to keep generating are getting more and more outrageous, to the point where only his most rabid followers can tolerate them. I just hope he gets the nomination before it all falls apart on him.
Yep. I keep forgetting, and when I remember, I'm dismayed all over again.YellowKing wrote:The problem being that Trump not getting the nomination just means that the other guy nobody can stand gets it.
I think I've come to the realization that I would rather Trump be our next president than Cruz.GreenGoo wrote:Yep. I keep forgetting, and when I remember, I'm dismayed all over again.YellowKing wrote:The problem being that Trump not getting the nomination just means that the other guy nobody can stand gets it.
Cruz is more dangerous than Trump because Cruz is an ideologue with an agenda. For that reason (and because he lacks Trump's flair for showmanship), he should also lose by a wider margin.GreenGoo wrote:Yep. I keep forgetting, and when I remember, I'm dismayed all over again.YellowKing wrote:The problem being that Trump not getting the nomination just means that the other guy nobody can stand gets it.
I think that's the planKraken wrote: I just hope he gets the nomination before it all falls apart on him.
Worse, Cruz becomes the hero who saved the Republican party and to a lesser extent, America, from Trump.YellowKing wrote:The problem being that Trump not getting the nomination just means that the other guy nobody can stand gets it.
That's insane. His foreign policy and trade policies would be disasters. Trump would reduce our support of NATO, wants to encourage South Korea and Japan to arm themselves with nukes, he's praised Putin who seeks to weaken NATO, and he would start a series of disastrous trade wars with any nations that he thinks are beating the US that would lead to a new global recession.Archinerd wrote:I think I've come to the realization that I would rather Trump be our next president than Cruz.GreenGoo wrote:Yep. I keep forgetting, and when I remember, I'm dismayed all over again.YellowKing wrote:The problem being that Trump not getting the nomination just means that the other guy nobody can stand gets it.
Says the person who just bought a new house in Uzbekibekistan.Archinerd wrote: I think I've come to the realization that I would rather Trump be our next president than Cruz.
You may have mistaken my comment as support for Trump, which it is not.Grifman wrote:That's insane. His foreign policy and trade policies would be disasters. Trump would reduce our support of NATO, wants to encourage South Korea and Japan to arm themselves with nukes, he's praised Putin who seeks to weaken NATO, and he would start a series of disastrous trade wars with any nations that he thinks are beating the US that would lead to a new global recession.Archinerd wrote:I think I've come to the realization that I would rather Trump be our next president than Cruz.GreenGoo wrote:Yep. I keep forgetting, and when I remember, I'm dismayed all over again.YellowKing wrote:The problem being that Trump not getting the nomination just means that the other guy nobody can stand gets it.
He also so narcissistic that any criticism of him is "unfair", hence he's already said that he would like to restrain the press. As the Atlantic has pointed out, his poorly thought out health care "plan" would lead to more expensive and worse care for Americans. His backtracking on punishing women for abortion shows that he really doesn't think through issues, he operates off the cuff. He is temperamentally unfit to be president.
Trump would be far worse for our country than Cruz. But if you want a more dangerous world, with a new recession and worse health care, then be my guest and go for it.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... al-partiesRunningMn9 wrote:That is a sensible old dude.
Young people might just end up changing the landscape of politics yet and really that would be for the first time in my conscious lifetime. And I hold out hope that it will happen and it will be for the better of our country. I fully support the idea of rejection political dichotomy as a team sport and their accompanying power bases. As much as my views have changed over the years, this rejection has remained consistent.Young Americans don’t care much for political parties. According to the Pew Research Center, 48 percent of millennials (ages 18-33) identify as independents. That’s almost as many as identify as Democrats (28 percent) and Republicans (18 percent) put together.
Political scientists are often skeptical about the independent option in surveys. Most individuals who choose to call themselves “independents” still vote consistently with one party or the other. They are partisans except in name.
Even if that’s true, the lack of loyalty or concern for parties still has consequences. For instance, presidential primary campaigns were established to allow a party’s members to choose its candidate. But the research team at Tufts University’s Tisch College, where I study civic engagement, estimates that young Americans (18-30) have so far cast more votes for Sen. Bernie Sanders than for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump combined.
28 + 18 = 46LordMortis wrote:Young Americans don’t care much for political parties. According to the Pew Research Center, 48 percent of millennials (ages 18-33) identify as independents. That’s almost as many as identify as Democrats (28 percent) and Republicans (18 percent) put together.
48 ... almost as much ... 28 ... and ... 18 ... put together
Isgrimnur wrote:28 + 18 = 46LordMortis wrote:Young Americans don’t care much for political parties. According to the Pew Research Center, 48 percent of millennials (ages 18-33) identify as independents. That’s almost as many as identify as Democrats (28 percent) and Republicans (18 percent) put together.
48 ... almost as much ... 28 ... and ... 18 ... put together
Good thing I'm not an editor. If Clinton has it wrapped up before the California votes are counted, I could see voting for Drumpf just so I could say, "Don't blame me, I voted for Hitler."Zarathud wrote:Of course, you may be mocked mercilessly if you go for it. At least until Trump pries these forums from our cold, dead hands.
My boss is very much like your father, but hates the Clintons so much he just couldn't bring himself to vote for her. He's decided to vote for Bernie, either as a 3rd party candidate or write-in, or just sit this one out of that's not an option.YellowKing wrote:To illustrate how bad it is, my dad who I've spoken about many times, is hoping Hillary wins. He can not bring himself to vote for her, but he thinks both Cruz and Trump would be far more dangerous for the country.
Republicans, when you get a right-winger like my dad praying for a Hillary Clinton presidency, you have SERIOUS problems.
I don't happen to agree with tgb, and agree with his boss (even if hate is extreme... have an overwhelming contempt for her contempt, maybe), actually, I very much understand where tgb's coming from. Though, I have until November to figure out my protest vote if it's Clinton v Trump.Rip wrote:
Right? I'm kind of surprised people applauded him. The stuff in those videos and the fear of Muslims really bothers me. Even with all the other things about trump that bother me his stirring up anti-islamic sentiments is the worst.RunningMn9 wrote:Those seem like well-educated individuals.
It looked like some people were objecting to what they were saying. But still this seemingly growing segment of society makes me nervous.RunningMn9 wrote:Was there anyone in the crowd that stood up and pointed out that the meathead was an ignorant asshole? Or just clapping?
Extorting more military spending from NATO members is not crazy talk. Dissolving the alliance is, but extreme opening positions are a valid negotiating tactic when you have the position of strength.Moliere wrote:Donald Trump Defends Proposals to Deconstruct U.S. Military Treaty With Europe
Does NATO have a place in the modern world of terrorist threats?
Kraken wrote:Extorting more military spending from NATO members is not crazy talk.Moliere wrote:Donald Trump Defends Proposals to Deconstruct U.S. Military Treaty With Europe
Does NATO have a place in the modern world of terrorist threats?
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