Donald Trump whisked off stage in Pennsylvania after apparent gunshots rang through the crowd

[Zarathud]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trump campaign focused on inexpensive spaces rather than secure ones. While Trump claims to be strong, he’s really just a bully who makes others handle the cleanup for what’s convenient or profitable to him.

I doubt they change.

[Smoove_B]

Exactly. Providing a small team of agents that work as personal bodyguards is totally different than having full (and free) access to a team of agents + police + security contractors that will be able to secure large environments. I'd like to think we'd hear more about how the Secret Service raised the security issues and requested additional funding from the campaign or that it be moved to an indoor location and they were refused over money issues, but I'm guessing we won't because that would be "political".

[Holman]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trump campaign focused on inexpensive spaces rather than secure ones. While Trump claims to be strong, he’s really just a bully who makes others handle the cleanup for what’s convenient or profitable to him.

Any space is inexpensive if you never pay for it.

[LawBeefaroni]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trump campaign focused on inexpensive spaces rather than secure ones. While Trump claims to be strong, he’s really just a bully who makes others handle the cleanup for what’s convenient or profitable to him.

Any space is inexpensive if you never pay for it.

The Butler Farm Show Grounds don't have the same caliber of legal representation that Acrisure Stadium does, for example.

[Daehawk]

Why oh why did he have to be such a bad shot.

[LawBeefaroni]

Why oh why did he have to be such a bad shot.

He came pretty close. The keystone cops trying to get on the roof may have spooked him enough to make him hurry his shot and/or get some nerves up.

[em2nought]

Why oh why did he have to be such a bad shot.

Is that you Kyle? His one round would have hit perfect if the subject hadn't turned his head at the very last minute. I'd think Crooks must have had some practice, and I'd think that he'd sighted in his weapon too.

[Daehawk]

He wouldn't last in Fortnite.

[hepcat]

Don’t play into the narrative that conservative whack jobs want to create. Saying shit like that only hurts the cause you say you support.

[gbasden]

Perhaps given today’s political situation the government needs to subsidize such bookings using the secret service budget.

They probably need to subsidize the bookings because Trump stiffed the venues on the last campaign round.

[GreenGoo]

Don’t play into the narrative that conservative whack jobs want to create. Saying shit like that only hurts the cause you say you support.

Who cares. No one wants him killed, but a LOT of people want him to die.

"playing into" changes absolutely nothing. And to be completely honest, that narrative is probably pretty accurate, for once. It's just that there isn't a personality cult giving people permission to say the quiet part out loud. Yet.

[hepcat]

If you wanna be the person the crazy conspiracy theorists on the right want to portray those of us on the left as being. and you don't think it matters, that's fine. I'd rather not be that though. It's a struggle not to be, I admit. And I fail at it at times. But I think it's worth remembering that we can't say how awful Trumpers are and then say awful things like they do ourselves without blurring the lines.

[GreenGoo]

If you wanna be the person the crazy conspiracy theorists on the right want to portray those of us on the left as being. and you don't think it matters, that's fine. I'd rather not be that though. It's a struggle not to be, I admit. And I fail at it at times. But I think it's worth remembering that we can't say how awful Trumpers are and then say awful things like they do ourselves without blurring the lines.

We're all human. Being on the side of what's right does not require perfect virtue. That's a false dichotomy. Trying to be perfect so that the other side has to lie about you, otherwise they win, is a ridiculous, impossible task. Particularly because they were already lying about you irrespective of your behaviour.

Again, who cares what they think or do at this point? Aside from planning strategies to counter them. Modifying our behaviour because they don't like it is well beyond what I think most people are willing to contribute.

[hepcat]

If you wanna be the person the crazy conspiracy theorists on the right want to portray those of us on the left as being. and you don't think it matters, that's fine. I'd rather not be that though. It's a struggle not to be, I admit. And I fail at it at times. But I think it's worth remembering that we can't say how awful Trumpers are and then say awful things like they do ourselves without blurring the lines.

We're all human.

But the goal should always be to be a better human. We often fail, of course. But I refuse to believe it's not worth the effort.

But I digest. It's hypocritical to lash out at Trump for his calls to violence and his conspiracy theories while doing the same. That's all I'm really trying to say.

[GreenGoo]

But the goal should always be to be a better human. We often fail, of course. But I refuse to believe it's not worth the effort.

Fair. Better than who? But to also be fair, that's a low, low bar (assuming you're referring to the alt-right who you are worried will use our flaws against us) and one that most of us can meet easily. We should always strive to be better people. But that's irrespective of "bad" people trying to use our flaws against us. "Bad" people are not my motivation and if I fail sometimes, I forgive myself. Particularly in this regard. Particularly when it comes to fascism and all the sins that follow it.

We have so many media examples of going back in time to kill Hitler. It's almost a universal truth that we all agree that we'd do it if we could. Well, here's a monster in the making, and (some) are getting upset because some people suggest we'd all be better off if he were dead/killed.

I mean, that's fine, we all have our lines. I just don't agree that everyone should have the same line as mine. Nor do I agree that we should all have the same line as yours.

Some people want Drumpf dead. Some people were disappointed when he survived. Yes, that's not a good quality to have. Oh well. Worrying that the alt-right will try to use it against them is a waste of time. They will make shit up about you that's 10x worse.

If you want to be a better person, go for it. Don't worry about the alt-right. They don't have an ethical or moral foot to stand on and are hunting you the moment you don't get in lockstep with them anyway. If not for this reason, then for another.

edit: I like to be repetitive.

But I digest. It's hypocritical to lash out at Trump for his calls to violence and his conspiracy theories while doing the same. That's all I'm really trying to say.

I could argue that some individuals are deserving of violence, which is not the same as advocating violence as a means for political change.

But even if I accepted that this is hypocritical, then my response would be: Ok.

[Unagi]

well said

[Unagi]

lol - well then you edit

[GreenGoo]

lol - well then you edit

Yes, bad habit. Feel free to remove your support.

[Unagi]

I'll just add that Trump himself said, "I’m not supposed to be here, I’m supposed to be dead."

Maybe that's a message the entire country can rally behind.

[Zarathud]

Perhaps a message to unite around?

Donald, have another Big Mac. For America.

[em2nought]

So I'm guessing if I was wishing for VP Kamala Harris to choke to death on a big "sausage" (not that I am), most folks here would be ok with that since I believe I'm on the side of right just the same as you do? Again, I do not wish that at all just so it's clear.

[Carpet_pissr]

So I'm guessing if I was wishing for VP Kamala Harris to choke to death on a big "sausage" (not that I am), most folks here would be ok with that since I believe I'm on the side of right just the same as you do? Again, I do not wish that at all just so it's clear.

If you said that I would not bat an eye. I already believe that the MAGA crowd wishes that, so I would probably just shake my head to myself and say "that tracks".

Not sure about "most folks here" either. You would probably get a couple to three posts pushing back on your wish/post.

[GreenGoo]

I don't speak for most folks. Especially not here. After all, if they are here, they can speak for themselves.

However, I'm sure I speak for some folks. Possibly some here. I wouldn't know.

And for about the millionth time over the last 8-9 years, my opinion of Drumpf has nothing to do with what side of the political aisle he is on, or what halfwits think he and Kamala are equivalent. If he were the democratic candidate, I'd feel exactly the same.

[Zarathud]

So I'm guessing if I was wishing for VP Kamala Harris to choke to death on a big "sausage" (not that I am), most folks here would be ok with that since I believe I'm on the side of right just the same as you do? Again, I do not wish that at all just so it's clear.

It wouldn’t be as objectively funny given Trump’s assassination attempt, age and fondness for fast food. It would only be a misogynistic nonseqitur — something mean only because she’s a woman.

[Zarathud]

If you want to tell a mean joke, make it funny. And make it relevant to the thing you’re making fun of.

Calling democrats “cat ladies” is just a dumb joke. Because cat ladies are voters and likely have more empathy than MAGA. Certainly more empathy than JD Vance. They at least have more than one animal (DJT Jr) who loves them.

[hepcat]

So I'm guessing if I was wishing for VP Kamala Harris to choke to death on a big "sausage" (not that I am), most folks here would be ok with that since I believe I'm on the side of right just the same as you do? Again, I do not wish that at all just so it's clear.

Thank you for helping to prove my point.

Although your misogynistic use of sausage in quotes reassures me that you’re still trying really hard to be funny…and still failing miserably. However, I’m betting at a MAGA rally you’d have them rolling. Then again, a fart machine could headline and get as many laughs at a MAGA rally.

Calling democrats “cat ladies” is just a dumb joke.

But just to be clear, I can still call Vance a couch fucker, right? Because honestly, it’s my favorite thing about this election cycle. I’d get shirts made if I didn’t think it would get me kicked out of stores.

[Isgrimnur]

[hepcat]

That I know that’s from Baseketball doesn’t help. That I love Baseketball is even worse.

[Anonymous Bosch]

Things are getting spicy at the Secret Service, as reported by RealClearPolitics' National Political Correspondent, Susan Crabtree:

EXCLUSIVE: A Secret Service counter sniper sent an email Monday night to the entire Uniformed Division (not agents) saying he will not stop speaking out until "5 high-level supervisors (1 down) are either fired or removed from their current positions." The counter sniper also said the agency "SHOULD expect another assassination attempt" before November and complained that he is no longer proud to be a USSS counter sniper after leadership failed the officers at the Trump rally in Butler on 7/13.

"This agency NEEDS to change," the sniper wrote in the email. "If not now, WHEN? "The NEXT assassination in 30 days?"

"Sadly we have fallen short for YEARS," the counter sniper lamented. "We just look good doing it. I have conveyed these thoughts to not only supervisors (to include the current Captain of CS, but those responsible for training us (SOTS/CS). Only to be brushed off as those with less experience somehow knew more than me."

"The team I was once proud to be a part of, is something I have to somehow hide as I move into my next career," the counter sniper continued. "Who wants to hire a USSS CS guy who failed? That's the public perception I'm not faced with. The USSS CS team is a stain I will never be able to cleanse."

He concluded with these two lines: "The motto of the USSS...CYA. And every supervisor is doing it right now."

The agency quickly deleted the email, a knowledgeable source told RealClearPolitics.

Full email with name redacted below:

Thank you for the backing and support. I'm not stopping until 5 high level supervisors (1 down) are either fired or removed from their current positions. This agency NEEDS to change, if not now, WHEN? The NEXT assassination attempt in 30 days? Because we all SHOULD expect another attempt to happen before November. We've exposed our inability to protect our leaders due to our leadership. The technicians who worked on 7/13/24 in Butler, PA DID THEIR JOB with their hands tied. Secret Service SUPERVISORS 'knew better' and the foot soldiers working, made the best of a BAD situation that resulted in a civilian death and a near miss of the protectee and our Technician shooting and killing the suspect.

I know many look at the CS team as 'guys who sit on the roof' and don't do much. But our responsibility, our MISSION, is not about protecting an EMPTY White House located 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. It's about preventing and stopping another JFK style assassination, in whatever city that may be. Sadly, we have fallen short for YEARS. We just got lucky and looked good doing it. I have conveyed these thoughts to not only supervisors (to include the current Captain) within CS, but those responsible for training us (SOTS/CS). Only to be brushed off as if those with less experience somehow knew more than me.

The team I was once proud to be a part of, is something I have to now somehow hide as I move into my next career. Who wants to hire a USSS CS guy who failed? That's the public perception I'm now faced with. The USSS CS team is a stain I will never be able to cleanse.

Some of us take our job and responsibility seriously, DEADLY serious. I may be overzealous. But after 7 years in the Marine Corps as an NCO and 20+ years on the USSS Counter Sniper team, failure is not an option, and on 7/13/24, WE failed. Not because of commitment or sense of dedication. But because our SUPERVISORS (aka leadership) knew better and thought our concerns were less than important.

The motto of USSS… CYA.

Any every supervisor is doing it right now.

Acting Secret Service Chief Played Key Role in Limiting Resources for Trump

Acting Secret Service Director Ronald Rowe was directly involved in denying additional security resources and personnel, including counter snipers, to former President Trump’s rallies and events – despite repeated requests by the agents assigned to Trump’s detail in the two years leading up to his July 13 attempted assassination, according to several sources familiar with the decision-making.

Rowe succeeded former Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle, who resigned last week after bipartisan calls following her widely panned testimony before the House Oversight Committee. But both Rowe and Cheatle were directly involved in decisions denying requests for more magnetometers, additional agents, and other resources to help screen rallygoers at large, outdoor Trump campaign gatherings.

It was Rowe’s decision alone to deny counter sniper teams to any Trump event outside of driving distance from D.C., these sources asserted.

Rowe and FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate are set to appear Tuesday before a joint hearing of the Senate Judiciary and Homeland Security and Government Affairs committees.

Senators on both sides of the aisle have vowed to press for answers on the assassination attempt of former President Trump that took the life of rally-goer Corey Comperatore and wounded two others. Sen. Richard Blumenthal, who chairs the Homeland Security panel, said he plans to grill Rowe and Abbate on the “litany of gaps and failures.”

“There are monumental, critical questions that so far the leadership in these two agencies have failed to answer [for, and] even to begin to respond to,” Blumenthal said.

Sen. Ron Johnson, a senior member of the Homeland Security committee, told RCP he was initially impressed by Rowe’s willingness to answer senators’ questions late last week but pledged to question him closely about the denying of resources to protect Trump.

“I will also hold him fully accountable for being 100% transparent and honest in cooperating with our investigation and oversight,” Johnson said Thursday.

Johnson and other members of the committee are expected to focus on Rowe’s role in the Secret Service’s repeated denials of extra security requested by agents assigned to Trump’s protective detail and about decisions regarding the number of placement of snipers assigned to some of Trump’s events.

Assigning counter snipers based on the ability to drive to an event may sound far-fetched, but knowledgeable sources explained that there’s a limited number of these highly trained Uniform Division officers. It’s easier for counter sniper teams to carry their guns and gear in a van they can all use to transport the teams to the site for advance work for the event and then use the same vehicles, referred to by the Secret Service as “push vehicles,” to return to D.C.

The alternative is for counter sniper teams to board commercial flights or Amtrak (if the event is in the Northeast corridor) with all their gear, find a rental vehicle once on the ground, and then do it all in reverse on the way home. It’s all possible under the “needs of the Service,” one source contends, but in reality, it’s much easier and far more cost-effective for counter snipers to drive to and from a site.

“They can carry their guns and gear on airplanes – there’s an efficient process for that – but it’s going to be much easier, because they have all their gear with them, to drive rather than fly because then they have a push vehicle to take the whole team to and from a hotel to the site each day,” a source in the Secret Service Community told RCP. “They would always rather drive than fly.”

The Secret Service has not responded to several questions from RCP about decisions to deny or limit security resources and personnel, including counter snipers, to Trump’s events.

[em2nought]

There is some new footage of Butler. PA that's just come out. It wasn't available before since the dude who filmed it was also shot.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/31/us-news/c ... n-attempt/

Hopefully google won't suppress the search results.

[Unagi]

And just who is Real Clear Politics?


wiki tells me they are not so much on my side in this world.

2017 onward
In November 2020, The New York Times published an article alleging that since 2017, when many of its "straight-news" reporting journalists were laid off, RealClearPolitics showed a pro-Trump turn with donations to its affiliated nonprofit increasing, much from entities supported by wealthy conservatives.[11] RCP executive editor Carl Cannon disputed the newspaper's allegations of a rightward turn, saying that he had solicited donations from both conservative and liberal donors, without them "buying coverage".[25] Several journalists who talked to The New York Times in 2020 said they never felt any pressure from the site's founders to bias their stories.[11] Cannon stated that RCP regularly publishes perspectives from both liberal and conservative publications, saying that "the simple fact is that the amount of liberal material published in RCP every week dwarfs the annual conservative content in The New York Times".[25]

The New York Times also said that "Real Clear became one of the most prominent platforms for elevating unverified and reckless stories about the president's political opponents, through a mix of its own content and articles from across conservative media...." and that for days after the election, "Real Clear Politics gave top billing to stories that reinforced the false narrative that the president could still somehow eke out a win."[11] Cannon responded by highlighting two articles suggesting that "Trump could somehow eke out a win" on RCP's front page by noting that 374 articles had been covered on its front page between the time of the election and The New York Times' article, including 16 articles from The New York Times itself.[25]

In 2016, RealClearInvestigations was launched,[26] backed by foundations associated with conservative causes, such as the Ed Uihlein Family Foundation and Sarah Scaife Foundation.[27] In 2019, the site published an article by a conservative author, Paul Sperry, containing the supposed name of a U.S. intelligence officer who blew the whistle on the Trump–Ukraine scandal.[27] The article's publication came as part of a month-long effort by Trump allies on media and social media to "unmask" the whistleblower, whose identity was kept confidential by the U.S. government, in accordance with whistleblower protection (anti-retaliation) laws.[27] Most publications declined to reveal the whistleblower's identity; Tom Kuntz, editor of RealClearInvestigations, defended the site's decision to publish the article.[27] Cannon stated that whistleblower protections did not ensure anonymity from journalism, instead guaranteeing protection from firing, prosecution, and professional punishment.[25]

[GreenGoo]

Weaponized incompetence, perhaps.

[Anonymous Bosch]

And just who is Real Clear Politics?


wiki tells me they are not so much on my side in this world.

So what? The credibility of a story is not directly proportional to how much it aligns with our personal worldview, nor does a news website's political leanings automatically negate the information it provides. It may be comforting to surround oneself in a cozy blanket of sources that exclusively validate our preexisting biases, but that only serves to stifle our capacity for open-mindedness and critical thinking.

[Victoria Raverna]

And just who is Real Clear Politics?


wiki tells me they are not so much on my side in this world.

So what? The credibility of a story is not directly proportional to how much it aligns with our personal worldview, nor does a news website's political leanings automatically negate the information it provides. It may be comforting to surround oneself in a cozy blanket of sources that exclusively validate our preexisting biases, but that only serves to stifle our capacity for open-mindedness and critical thinking.

Maybe his point is that the reliability of that news source is not high? So any "news" that come out of the that source need to be fact checked using other sources?

https://adfontesmedia.com/realclear-pol ... liability/

Reliability: 26.90
Bias: 14.45

Reliability scores for articles and shows are on a scale of 0-64. Scores above 40 are generally good; scores below 24 are generally problematic. Scores between 24-40 indicate a range of possibilities, with some sources falling there because they are heavy in opinion and analysis, and some because they have a high variation in reliability between articles.

Bias scores for articles and shows are on a scale of -42 to +42, with higher negative scores being more left, higher positive scores being more right, and scores closer to zero being minimally biased, equally balanced, or exhibiting a centrist bias.

Reliability of 26.90 is not too bad since it is still above 24 but still low compare to reliable sources.

[Punisher]

How many Trust Mes on the Trust Me Bro scale are we talking?

[Anonymous Bosch]

Pennsylvania county law enforcement officials say Secret Service is presenting a ‘misleading’ picture of Trump shooting scene

Pennsylvania law enforcement officials are accusing acting Secret Service Director Robert Rowe of “misleading the American people” by saying that local snipers at Donald Trump’s rally should have “looked left” and spotted would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks.

Beaver County District Attorney Nate Bible and Det. Patrick Young, head of the Beaver County Emergency Services Unit, told CNN in an interview Wednesday that the Secret Service had not reached out to Beaver County’s snipers to speak to them before Rowe made his accusations at a nationally televised Senate hearing this week.

“For the acting director to say that this is where our guys were, and this is what they’ve seen, is a misrepresentation to the American people,” Young said. “We were never asked what we’d seen or where we were from Secret Service. I can tell you that again – the pictures presented is again a misrepresentation.”

The Secret Service is falsely trying to blame other law enforcement agencies for the failure to stop Crooks, Bible alleged.

“Before this incident, I would have thought Secret Service is, like bulletproof. I mean, you’re not getting within 50 yards of somebody important, even on foot, right, let alone, you know, a sniper or something,” Bible said. “It honestly seems like, you know, they don’t have answers, so they’re just sort of pointing fingers and passing the buck around.”

Bible and Young said they are taking the criticisms from the Secret Service personally and warned that the trust between the law enforcement agencies has been fractured. Trump has said he plans to return to Butler, Pennsylvania, for another rally, but the county officials say they haven’t yet heard from the Secret Service or the campaign about any future plans.

The Beaver County officials were part of a multi-jurisdictional team assisting the Secret Service for Trump’s July 13 rally.

Rowe’s testimony – and photos he showed to lawmakers of the site – has further exacerbated the tensions between local law enforcement officials and the Secret Service have played out in the days since Crooks climbed onto a roof near the rally site and fired eight shots at Trump, injuring the former president and killing a rally attendee.

The Secret Service has not responded to questions for comment from CNN.

Asked if he could confidently say that something like this would not happen again at a future rally, Young said: “I cannot say that.”

“At this point, me, along with the, I’m sure, the majority of the American people, have many questions as to what and how the Secret Service does their job,” Young said. “And I would have never said that before this week really, with testimony, because the Secret Service has not acknowledged – for everything that they say that they did wrong, there’s a ‘but’ – and that but follow is usually assigning blame to the local law enforcement or state police.”

The Secret Service declined to comment.

A federal law enforcement official familiar with the matter said the Secret Service was and has been in touch with the lead for the Butler Emergency Services Unit, which oversaw the Beaver County local law enforcement officers and others that day.

The official also said that the counter sniper team was able to take pictures of Crooks on the ground prior to his climbing on the roof and questioned why screens on a window would prevent SWAT team members from looking for a suspicious individual at a rally with the former president.


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Dispute over ability to see Crooks on roof

During Tuesday’s Senate hearing, Rowe highlighted the failures of communications during the Butler rally, saying that information about Crooks was “siloed” and “stuck” in local law enforcement channels.

He also said that local law enforcement was positioned in a nearby building and should have had a clear line of sight of Crooks on the roof – claims that the Beaver County officials dispute.

“I cannot understand why there was not better coverage or at least somebody looking at that roofline when that’s where they were posted,” Rowe told senators, displaying pictures the Secret Service took in a re-staging of the scene. “Looking left, why was the assailant not seen?”

But Young asserted that the photos Rowe displayed at the hearing could not accurately capture the vantage point of the snipers positioned in the AGR building.

The snipers had been instructed to be covert, meaning they could not stick their heads out the window to see Crooks, Young said.

The photo the Secret Service used to show its viewpoint was taken through of a window that had been secured and closed during the rally, only opened after the shooting had taken place, according to Young.

“Where our people were was the far-right side of the AGR building. Their views in no way could have seen Crooks without pushing their heads outside the window and looking back,” Young said. “The videos and the exhibits presented to Congress are purely wrong as to what they’d actually seen.”

Young and Bible said they are speaking out both to correct misinformation that has come out in the days since the shooting – such as false claims that the snipers were positioned inside the building because it was too hot to be on the roof – and to combat public statements that have thrown local law enforcement under the bus.

“It’s extremely misleading to the American people. I mean, it makes our guys look incompetent to me to say, ‘Oh, well, all you had to do is just turn your head to the left, and you would have saw this,’” Bible said. “My reaction was, I was a little fired up.”


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Snipers were told to look at the crowd area, officials say

Bible added that there were screens on the windows where their snipers were stationed in order to keep them hidden. The muzzles of the guns were about a foot behind the window, Young said, and the snipers were about three feet back, observing through the window with binoculars.

“The screens were allowed to be in place because then it allowed us to shoot through, but would not allow people to see in,” he said.

“What they were instructed to do was focus on the secured area in front of you – so, before you went in through security, immediately after, before the stage. Watch those individuals – make sure nobody snuck something past security,” Bible said. “Not to look at the outer unsecured area where Crooks was. And so even if that was their job, in that position, they couldn’t have seen it. They would have had to been outside that window.”

One of the Beaver County snipers took a photo of Crooks before the shooting that was shared on a text chain with other local snipers. Young said that the sniper called in what he had seen to his command through the Butler County Emergency Services Unit, though he did not know if that information was ever relayed to the Secret Service.

“I can’t attest to who was in that command center or what visibility Secret Service would have had at that point,” Young said.

One Beaver County sniper, Greg Nicol, left his post to search for Crooks through other windows in the building, Young said, though he added said that the Butler County sniper there remained at the post, unlike what had been suggested in prior testimony.

Bible credited Nicol with potentially saving lives at the rally because of his early identification of Crooks being suspicious, taking a picture of him through a screened window and sending it around.

“If it wasn’t for Greg Nicol identifying Crooks, so early on, that is what allowed the Secret Service sniper to immediately take him out,” Bible said. “You know, he did get eight shots off, but otherwise, he may potentially could have unloaded a couple clips before they knew where this guy was.”

[em2nought]

President Trump should really ask Bibi for some Mossad agents. I'd want this one!

[Unagi]

And just who is Real Clear Politics?


wiki tells me they are not so much on my side in this world.

So what?

What if they are funded by Russian $, would I be okay if I waited for the same story to surface somewhere that wasn't?

[Anonymous Bosch]

And just who is Real Clear Politics?


wiki tells me they are not so much on my side in this world.

So what?

What if they are funded by Russian $, would I be okay if I waited for the same story to surface somewhere that wasn't?

I'm not aware of any credible sources or evidence that support the idea that Real Clear Politics has Russian funding, so I'd suggest evaluating these stories based on the facts presented rather than unsubstantiated claims and speculation, especially considering the subsequent CNN interview with local LEOs that appears to corroborate much of the information leaked and reported by RCP concerning Secret Service supervisor incompetence, and attempts to shift responsibility and evade accountability.

[El Guapo]

I think of RCP as being a non-crank source. IIRC they're center-right in their political leanings, but they're not like Patriot News or something.