Blood Sucking Freaks Redux. Fin.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:25 am

I'm kind of at a loss right not on who to vote for. Bahktosh's explanation of why he was following tru1cy makes some sense to me, weak sense but some. That makes me not want to vote him just yet. As for tru1cy's explanation of why he did not correct Bahktosh, I think back to other games and the only times I can remember telling people they should be careful of trusting me I was a bad guy trying hard to pose as a good. Still his not voting for himself makes me wonder. Problem with that is that I can think of reasons why he would not and not be a Vampire. Those reasons all involve him being a special though and he said the village would not lose much by lynching him. Which puts me back the same place I was with Genghis thinking that its weak sauce to imply and disavow at the same time.

I do agree with triggercut that Newcastle is a prime suspect though. And Newcastle's continued vote against Genghis makes me wonder even more. Gah, I'm all over the friggin place with my suspicions. I will try to get a vote together tomorrow (Sunday RL time).

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:25 pm

Tenative for now, but I guess for now my best thought is tru1cy.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:49 pm

Withdraw Chaosraven

tru1cy

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:50 am

I'm not going to fight this. I'm unpowered villager, but some of you have some very flimsy reason for voting for me. Anyway, my death is meaningless and No I'm not voting for myself

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:48 am

Hey, I'm easy.

tru1cy

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:40 am

Tru1cy works for me. I'm teaching a class today so I only have time to pop on and off here and there. I'll give some more in depth reasons tonight.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:48 am

I'd like to go back and put together a case to vote for Austin but it takes 2+ minutes to open every page that I don't want to go back and search each post right now.

I'll wait and see where we get with the tru1cy vote before I change mine. I have no clear feeling on tru1cy but I'd be willing to vote him simply for the fact that he did say he was an unpowered villager and it wouldn't harm us too much.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:01 am

The forum was cooperating so I went back and scanned and I really didn't see anything that set off the old spidey senses like I mentioned earlier.

I know he mentions this twice on page 5 and 8 (I think)

Austin wrote:I have the feeling if Genghis turns up batty, Bakhtosh and Tru1cy might be our other 2.

and it seemed a ploy to set up tru1cy and bahktosh as either innocents to be lynched if Genghis was a vamp or as cover for them if Genghis turned out innocent. Not convinced that's worth a vote right now but something to keep an eye on when we know more about the 3 mentioned. As of now it would appear that Genghis is the medium so I am willing to see if tru1cy is really an innocent.

withdraw Austin
vote tru1cy

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:25 am

And what are the reasons for voting Tru1cy again? Is it just to get the game moving? He went from 1 vote to 6 votes with no one stating why they are doing so. The only good thing I guess is we are hoping for no special?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:34 am

Genghis wrote:And what are the reasons for voting Tru1cy again? Is it just to get the game moving? He went from 1 vote to 6 votes with no one stating why they are doing so. The only good thing I guess is we are hoping for no special?

I think it is a lot of get the game moving plus he states he's not special so the harm to the village will be minimal if he's not a vampire. Plus it will help to see if Remus is leading us on a wild goose chase and add a piece to the Austin "Bahktosh, Genghis, tru1cy" puzzle.

He's done nothing to suggest he's not a vampire but also not done much to suggest he is so why not...

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:38 am

[ooc]Back into town. Jeebus! Still no one has been lynched on Day 1![/ooc]

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:50 am

how is it that tru1cy is more of a first round target than newcastle?

newcastle

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:56 am

Kraegor wrote:how is it that tru1cy is more of a first round target than newcastle?

newcastle

Why suspect newcastle?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:06 pm

Lassr wrote:
Genghis wrote:And what are the reasons for voting Tru1cy again? Is it just to get the game moving? He went from 1 vote to 6 votes with no one stating why they are doing so. The only good thing I guess is we are hoping for no special?
I think it is a lot of get the game moving plus he states he's not special so the harm to the village will be minimal if he's not a vampire. Plus it will help to see if Remus is leading us on a wild goose chase and add a piece to the Austin "Bahktosh, Genghis, tru1cy" puzzle.

He's done nothing to suggest he's not a vampire but also not done much to suggest he is so why not...

How am I leading anything here? triggercut had voted tru1cy long ago and held that vote forever. Bahktosh was the one who started this thing aganist tru1cy due to the "I thought he was a sibling" thing.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:12 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
Kraegor wrote:how is it that tru1cy is more of a first round target than newcastle?

newcastle
Why suspect newcastle?

Newcastle suggested early on that he felt it more likely the Vampires held off on their conversion and we had a save last night (you remember last night, when nobody died? Kinda like today). He also came out right after Genghis claimed to be the medium and voted against Genghis. Then he later changed his story to withdraw the vote and give the "real" medium time to come forward. I'm not going to go find it but if you read the bit right after Genghis claimed medium-hood Newcastle was very odd. I would remove my vote from tru1cy but having someone at 6 and the possibility of learning something is worth proceeding with this.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:20 pm

Remus West wrote:Newcastle suggested early on that he felt it more likely the Vampires held off on their conversion and we had a save last night (you remember last night, when nobody died? Kinda like today). He also came out right after Genghis claimed to be the medium and voted against Genghis. Then he later changed his story to withdraw the vote and give the "real" medium time to come forward. I'm not going to go find it but if you read the bit right after Genghis claimed medium-hood Newcastle was very odd. I would remove my vote from tru1cy but having someone at 6 and the possibility of learning something is worth proceeding with this.

Would have been nice to hear that from Kraegor.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:25 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
Remus West wrote:Newcastle suggested early on that he felt it more likely the Vampires held off on their conversion and we had a save last night (you remember last night, when nobody died? Kinda like today). He also came out right after Genghis claimed to be the medium and voted against Genghis. Then he later changed his story to withdraw the vote and give the "real" medium time to come forward. I'm not going to go find it but if you read the bit right after Genghis claimed medium-hood Newcastle was very odd. I would remove my vote from tru1cy but having someone at 6 and the possibility of learning something is worth proceeding with this.
Would have been nice to hear that from Kraegor.

I just thought you did not want to go back and search for it. Its all stuff I mentioned before.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:41 pm

Yeah, but Kraegor's one line vote didn't even bother saying "for all of the reasons mentioned before.

As we close in on a lynching, I think we get a lot of information from those who refuse to vote for the leading candidate, moreso than we do from the votes themselves.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:57 pm

So, uh, what's the vote count now?

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:07 pm

By my count, tru1cy has 6. I'll check the status of the others as I eat lunch.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:11 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:Yeah, but Kraegor's one line vote didn't even bother saying "for all of the reasons mentioned before.

As we close in on a lynching, I think we get a lot of information from those who refuse to vote for the leading candidate, moreso than we do from the votes themselves.

I figured it was self apparent. Newcastle's been playing an odd game of duck duck goose. tru1cy's mistake had to be pointed out and explained.

I choose not to follow the trend because the tru1cy vote does not prove anything to me. Ya'll are voting why? Cuz Bakhtosh chose to misunderstand and implicate tru1cy? How does that not make Bahktosh a larger suspect? How is Remus (the one who pushed Genghis the hardest) not more suspect than tru1cy???

htf, did tru1cy become prime suspect so fast???

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:18 pm

Kraegor wrote:
Bakhtosh wrote:Yeah, but Kraegor's one line vote didn't even bother saying "for all of the reasons mentioned before.

As we close in on a lynching, I think we get a lot of information from those who refuse to vote for the leading candidate, moreso than we do from the votes themselves.
I figured it was self apparent. Newcastle's been playing an odd game of duck duck goose. tru1cy's mistake had to be pointed out and explained.

I choose not to follow the trend because the tru1cy vote does not prove anything to me. Ya'll are voting why? Cuz Bakhtosh chose to misunderstand and implicate tru1cy? How does that not make Bahktosh a larger suspect? How is Remus (the one who pushed Genghis the hardest) not more suspect than tru1cy???

Looks who is leading and look who is jumping on.

Remus
austin
Chaos Raven

Not going to vote for myself, btw. I'm unpowered so losing me is no real big for the village
htf, did tru1cy become prime suspect so fast???

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:19 pm

Here's what I have:

Newcastle (2): Triggercut, Kraegor
Bakhtosh (1): PR_GMR
Remus West (2): Tru1cy, Genghis
Tru1cy (6): Bakhtosh, Remus West, pr0ner, Chaosraven, Austin, Lassr
Genghis (1): FTWalker

No Vote: Newcaslte

Let me know if you see any mistakes.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:46 pm

Genghis wrote:And what are the reasons for voting Tru1cy again? Is it just to get the game moving? He went from 1 vote to 6 votes with no one stating why they are doing so. The only good thing I guess is we are hoping for no special?

I've stated my reasons. In short: Tru1cy has that "special" feeling. He has since the beginning. When he turned out to not be the special that I was convinced he was, I became suspicious that he may in fact be a vamp.

If he had come out during my "I trust tru1cy" phase and said something like, "I have no idea what I said that's making Bakhtosh trust me." Then I might have moved him down on my list for now, but his silence makes me think that he's a vamp who was pleasantly surprised that he'd duped me.

It just so happened that he was ahead of newcastle on my list, and that's where my vote landed. At the time, I didn't think tru1cy could get lynched, but I wanted to make sure his actions didn't go unnoticed.

Remus West came along a while later with his own reasoning. After that, 4 votes got added fairly quickly, and that's where we stand (as of the time I started this post).

Saying that there were no reasons given for voting for him is at best inaccurate...

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:54 pm

Remus West wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Genghis wrote:And what are the reasons for voting Tru1cy again? Is it just to get the game moving? He went from 1 vote to 6 votes with no one stating why they are doing so. The only good thing I guess is we are hoping for no special?
I think it is a lot of get the game moving plus he states he's not special so the harm to the village will be minimal if he's not a vampire. Plus it will help to see if Remus is leading us on a wild goose chase and add a piece to the Austin "Bahktosh, Genghis, tru1cy" puzzle.

He's done nothing to suggest he's not a vampire but also not done much to suggest he is so why not...
How am I leading anything here? triggercut had voted tru1cy long ago and held that vote forever. Bahktosh was the one who started this thing aganist tru1cy due to the "I thought he was a sibling" thing.

You are correct. I saw your explanation as the first vote, but Bahktosh had voted for him on the previous page. I stand corrected.

So we'll see if Bahktosh is leading us down the wrong path and you are happily skipping along that path...

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:40 pm

Newcastle is getting my vote for now. Remus West still seems vampy to me, and its a way to avoid Remuscide!

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:06 pm

Wow, popped in and i see some action. And woot, am up to 3 votes!

Ok in all seriousness...i havent thoroughly read through this thread, or well the developments of this morning. I have skimmed it, and i have found the movements quite interesting.

As far as suspecting me Remus and Kraegor:
1. Its another theory on what happened on night 1. Agree with it or not, i think its good to throw out differing possibilities. Just so folks can look at a situation from a different view. I still think that it's the smarter play to hold off on the conversion. Moot point.

2. The Genghis thingy - I think my coming back on to vote for him was pretty self-explanatory in my previous posts.

Not gonna vote for truicy right now, although mine would be the one that pushes us down the rabbit hole, and not gonna vote till tonight (want to go back over this thread more carefully, not enough time atm). I dont feel comfortable placing my vote atm, and for some reason Truicy has not garnered much suspicion in my eyes. Just my two cents.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:29 pm

Newcastle wrote:As far as suspecting me Remus and Kraegor:
1. Its another theory on what happened on night 1. Agree with it or not, i think its good to throw out differing possibilities. Just so folks can look at a situation from a different view. I still think that it's the smarter play to hold off on the conversion. Moot point.

2. The Genghis thingy - I think my coming back on to vote for him was pretty self-explanatory in my previous posts.

First off you might notice that while I do think you have done some sketchy things I have not voted for you yet. Second, you single out Kraegor and myself but do not mention triggercut who was the first to vote for you.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:42 pm

Interesting PR_GMR had time to pop into the other game but hasn't had time to add anything here. I can understand a vampire not wanting to do anything and just lay low right now. I haven't seen FTWalker around but he might just not be around; I haven't checked his last post.

They don't have any comments on the goings-ons?

Guys?

FTWalker · Post by **FTWalker** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:59 pm

ooc/ I've been in and out, Austin, mostly just seeing what was going on in the game - but helping to get things ready for the wife's family reunion (pain in the arse) this coming weekend has been taking up a lot of my time.

/ooc

---------

In re-reading some of the past messages, I'm

RETRACTING GENGHIS

but I don't feel that I would be right in pushing Tru1cy under the stake, either.
Can't really figure out who to vote for

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:26 am

ok first off i am tired and hence brain aint firing on all cylinders. It's been a long, long day. Part of me is tempted to place a vote for truicy, he did say he would be a safe vote. And it would end this day. I as others am puzzled by his lack of voting for himself. But one can always change their behavior without being condemned for it, cant they? This puzzlement is actually preventing me from voting for him. i get a weird vibe from him, but not a nefarious vibe from him.

What i find interesting is that when Remus placed his vote on truicy, Proner followed suit, then CR, then Austin, then lassr. A few of those folks dont give explanations some do. Now what i find utmostly interesting is how quickly this bandwagon emerged after Remus placed his vote, but also the absence of reasoning. i know folks want to get the game moving. I can understand that.

Proner - why the vote?

CR - same question easy rider

Austin - I know you stated you would provide an explanation would like to see that.

So in the pursuit of curiosity, I am going to place my vote on.....

Proner

My only reasoning is his quick hopping on to the truicy bandwagon with nary an explanation. I just want to see a rationale. After i see that, i might consider shifting my vote on to CR in order to get his rationale.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:51 am

I was the first on the tu1cy case. I voted for him for one reason, one I explained fully: I thought it significant that in this game, tru1cy decided not to risk his own staking by (jokingly, I assume) suggesting himself for the stake.

That seemed significant. It still does.

I changed to Newcastle, because absent other information, he suggested a lynch of Genghis *after* Genghis claimed to be the Medium.

To me, there are three reasons why Newcastle would've done such a thing:

1. He's a vampire, and wanted to stake a villager who announced a role.

2. He's a villager with a very convoluted meta-play that requires some stretching of credulity.

3. He's a villager with a role who doesn't want to come out, but has some significant reason to doubt Genghis.

I think #1 and #3 are fairly likely, while the surface explanation that lends to the second point is something of a smokescreen.

For now, I'm buying Genghis as a Medium. If the GD hasn't been offed, either he or Newcastle would be excellent protects on the upcoming night, as either or both may have roles.

I'm also sick of this game dragging on and on with 9 of us playing and 4 of us coyly posting nothing of substance. To that end, I choo choo choose tru1cy to be staked, per my original vote, and withdraw Newcastle.

Two reasons for voting tru1cy:

1. My initial suspicions regarding his potential role as a vampire, with no contrary evidence to suggest a role as a villager in over two weeks time, and

2. My interest in moving this damn game along. My vote would seem to be the difference-maker, but I'm no Vampire. Just a curious citizen hoping to take a Vamp out from the start or at least learn some valuable information in the sacrifice of an innocent. If there are 2 vamps, I think one is in the tru1cy vote count. If there are now 3, I think that 2 of the other six voters are vamps.

The more I think on it, the more Newcastle's suggestion makes sense. The Vamps likely held off converting anyone until the voting in this round was done, and will now likely choose someone who didn't vote for tru1cy. That would seem to be a very strong play in my final analysis.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:57 am

My explanation is simple.

I have no information. Day One votes (especially ebb and tide) potentially give us greater information on later days.

Honestly I'd like to see who else is capable of garnering Day One Votes.

To that end, withdraw tru1cy.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:03 am

D'oh!

I don't recall if this is a Irreversible Majority game or not...

Either way it means the game moves on.

TRU1CY

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:23 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Just a reminder: once a player has 7 votes, the votes can't be undone. That is to say even if a player wants to change his vote before I've written it up, it's too late.

My vote should've put tru1cy over the limit.

I hope he's a vampire. Failing that, I hope he's got no role. We're hosed if so.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:29 am

After seemingly months of deliberation, the crowd decided tru1cy was the most likely vampire. tru1cy protested, but not much, as the crowd led him to a platform in the town square. While two villagers held down his arms, another villager drove a wooden stake through tru1cy's heart. After a few moments of convulsions, tru1cy's body lay still.

Now was the moment of truth; if tru1cy was a vampire, his body would turn to ash. The crowd waited quietly, but nothing happened. After a few minutes, the villagers resigned to their house in silence. Tru1cy was not a vampire.

It is night.

Those who need to PM me can PM me now.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:11 am

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:54 am

(PR_GMR, dressed impeccably, goes for a night walk, strutting gayly along the village with his gold-encrusted cane.)

That's such a shame about Tru1cy... But, the man was too quiet. Oh, well, poor lad.

FTWalker · Post by **FTWalker** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:00 pm

>sigh...<
I'm hoping that, since he didn't protest a whole lot, Tru1cy wasn't a special.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:23 pm

FTWalker wrote:>sigh...<
I'm hoping that, since he didn't protest a whole lot, Tru1cy wasn't a special.

tru1cy wrote:I'm not going to fight this. I'm unpowered villager, but some of you have some very flimsy reason for voting for me. Anyway, my death is meaningless and No I'm not voting for myself