Warhammer - Burn the Heretic! Emperor's Children WIN!

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:05 pm

I have a question about the shoot and the deadline..

The Shoot must be taken before the deadline.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:13 pm

Do we have until Friday for BOTH a shot and lynch, or will a shot reset our time limit?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:21 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Do we have until Friday for BOTH a shot and lynch, or will a shot reset our time limit?

If it doesn't reset, then we need Unagi to declare his victim tonight so that we have time for the response, then shoot tomorrow and quickly pick a lynch victim. The shot is blind, though, so I guess the actual death shouldn't effect our vote at all except to eliminate a candidate.

I think you should shoot Austin or Bubbles.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:22 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Do we have until Friday for BOTH a shot and lynch, or will a shot reset our time limit?

I thought it was pretty clear.

The deadline for DAY 2 is: Friday 5pm EST.

Period.

I must shoot before that deadline and/or before a majority is reached, because, as usual: The 'Shooter' is a day power.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:29 pm

I don't suppose your bullet has the same powers as your sword?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:30 pm

I'm suspicious of Lassr and Purge.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:32 pm

stessier wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Do we have until Friday for BOTH a shot and lynch, or will a shot reset our time limit?
If it doesn't reset, then we need Unagi to declare his victim tonight so that we have time for the response, then shoot tomorrow and quickly pick a lynch victim. The shot is blind, though, so I guess the actual death shouldn't effect our vote at all except to eliminate a candidate.

I think you should shoot Austin or Bubbles.

I would actually be upset if it reset, as I would not have made this move right now if the clock re-sets.
I don't know why on earth the clock would re-set just because I make a shot.

Regarding me 'faking' this.... We can at least agree that if I am faking this, it could only be because the Shooter was converted last night...

I am waiting for a while here - mainly for 2 reasons.
1. If a Seer has an EC - it would help us a lot to learn that now. (Although, I admit if I was the Seer sitting on that, there is still a risk in stepping forward)
2. I want to hear who everyone would pick to be shot. Get it on record.

Only about 10% of me is willing to wait until tomorrow for this shot.

stessier wrote:I don't suppose your bullet has the same powers as your sword?

I wish. That was nice.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:38 pm

Unagi wrote:Only about 10% of me is willing to wait until tomorrow for this shot.

My only suggestion is you make sure the target has time to speak. You already indicated you would, but if you take the shot tonight, that might be cutting it close.

It would also be nice if you tabulated all our shot requests. I mean, it's not like you have anything else to do.

Does anyone else miss Kraegor's presence? As soon as I saw Unagi's post, I heard the whole diatribe without even trying.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:39 pm

Since shooting will not reveal any taint and we'd have to wait till morning to find out who is checked I say it's Ok to kill a silent (Purge or Bubbles). I have no qualms with Austin as a target. His quiet demeanor is reminding of a few other times he's been evil.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:42 pm

Lassr wrote:Since shooting will not reveal any taint and we'd have to wait till morning to find out who is checked I say it's Ok to kill a silent (Purge or Bubbles). I have no qualms with Austin as a target. His quiet demeanor is reminding of a few other times he's been evil.

Heh. I'm taking an extra class this 1/2 semester and must read not the forums. I'm a poor choice, but it'll be up to Unagi anyway. I really, really think stessier should be shot - or Purge/Bubbles but an active player gives us more to work with I think. (That said I think I'll be out for future games where we can't get people to commit to showing up at least once every couple days)

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:47 pm

If the Apothecary is required to get info from the Shot and the Lynch then we may end up with no info at all from any of them if the Apothecary is one of them or the Night Kill.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:48 pm

heh. Actually we would know the Apothecary was dead.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:56 pm

Chaosraven wrote:heh. Actually we would know the Apothecary was dead.

or converted.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm

Please tell me if I don't have your opinion recorded correctly.

Player's Votes:
Purge: no comment
Chaos: Lassr, Purge
Remus: (willing to wait) theohall
stessier: Austin, Bubbles
Scoop: no comment
Austin: (willing to wait) stessier
theohall: no comment
MrB: no comment
Lassr: (speaks of not waiting) Purge/Bubbles or Austin

Shoot Votes On:
Purge (2): Chaos, Lassr
Chaos: none
Remus: none
stessier (1): Austin
Scoop: none
Austin (2): stessier, Lassr
theohall (1): Remus
MrB (2): stessier, Lassr
Lassr (1): Chaos

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm

Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:heh. Actually we would know the Apothecary was dead.
or converted.

would the Geneseed have been recovered last night if the Apothecary was converted (assuming conversion over protection for last night)

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:02 pm

10 Players

9 "Targets" for Unagi/Village

Shot Lynch Lynch

With potentially 3 within 9 we stand a decent chance of Getting at Least One.

If we get either no info or NonBadGuy (better stessier?) from the 2 today...

(cue ominous music)

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:04 pm

tru1cy wrote: Order of turn:

Space Marine Librarian: Scan
Chaos Sorcerer Scan
Apothecary recovers gene-seed
Space Marine Chaplin protects
Chaos kills/convert

Huh - yes, it looks like we would have gotten the seed even if he were converted.

But tomorrow...we will know. If we get the seed, the Apothecary was alive today. Fun!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:05 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:heh. Actually we would know the Apothecary was dead.
or converted.
would the Geneseed have been recovered last night if the Apothecary was converted (assuming conversion over protection for last night)

Good question.
Also, I forget if we asked this already or not (perhaps in the last game)

Tru1cy.
Is the order of events like this:

1. Living Apothecary submits scan order
2. EC makes a kill or conversion.
3. Only a Living and Unconverted Apothecary gets Results (and those Results are shared anonomously in the morning)

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:05 pm

Oh, and Unagi correctly recorded my suggestions.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:06 pm

stessier wrote:Huh - yes, it looks like we would have gotten the seed even if he were converted.

I'm not sure that's exactly clear - I'd like to hear what tru1cy says about it still.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:11 pm

Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:Huh - yes, it looks like we would have gotten the seed even if he were converted.
I'm not sure that's exactly clear - I'd like to hear what tru1cy says about it still.

With the way he has interpreted everything else, I'm betting I'm right. Otherwise, what is the point of putting the Geneseed collection first if the Convert/Kill trumps it anyway? Might as well just put the EC action first and everything else after.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:33 pm

Yeah, it looks like he was saying the order of events was:

1. Living and Unconverted Apothecary submits scan order
2. Living and Unconverted Apothecary gets Results (and those Results are shared anonomously in the morning)
3. EC makes a kill or conversion.

The question that remains would be:

If #3 results in a dead or converted Apothecary - does the dead or converted Apothecary still pass on his info to us in the morning...

And I believe you (stessier) are saying: If not, what's the point in making his tasks happen first....

You are likely right.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:45 pm

Withdraw Unagi

Shoot Scoop

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:27 pm

Still no target??? Some of us sleep early ya know.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:08 pm

Catching up. Interesting. I think Unagi coming out now is the right time.

If I had to shoot someone I'd probably pop a cap in Lassr. He's just too reasonable.

withdrawal chaosraven

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:37 pm

OK,
I am very much split between two choices right now, but I am happy to say that both are players with at least one "shoot vote" on them at the moment.

Lassr, Could you do me the great honor of wrapping your mouth around the barell of this gun please?

awkward

I will likely wait until I get into work tomorrow morning to place the actual shoot order.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:42 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: If I had to shoot someone I'd probably pop a cap in Lassr. He's just too reasonable.

Of course you would...

Whoever it is, it needs to happen early tomorrow so we can lynch by COB Friday.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:45 pm

Unagi wrote: Lassr, Could you do me the great honor of wrapping your mouth around the barell of this gun please?

wait...HEY! That's no gun!

My death will not help the team (the good team).

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:55 pm

Lassr wrote:My death will not help the team (the good team).

So everyone can feel free to share their opinion on how they would proceed.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:18 pm

Unagi wrote:
Lassr wrote:My death will not help the team (the good team).
So everyone can feel free to share their opinion on how they would proceed.

Well, I already said I would shoot Theohall. I still would rather he go than Lassr but I have nothing against shooting Lassr...trouble is I have nothing for it either. Theohall, on the other hand, made that comment about "folks feel Unagi is aggressive" (may not be the exact quote as I did not go back and look at it to be certain) before following my vote. Unagi noted that "folk = Remus" and I got to thinking. Why does that have to equal Remus. I, alone, do not make folk. Folk implies a plural where there was no other. Which made me think someone else thought you were aggressive too. Which made me think Theohall was talking to someone else. Anyway, I'm sure you see where I am going with this. I was trying to hold off being this open about why so I could try and see if anyone else supported him or seemed to work at spacing themselves from him but I really think he is a better target than Lassr right now.

Anyway, it is your gun so shoot who you want but if you shoot Lassr I am still going to push for a lynch of Theohall.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:35 pm

I don't see anything majorly wrong with Lassr but I think there are better options. Stessier or Scoop would be my ultimate preferences, but I always think Scoop is guilty for the same type of posts, and I am usually wrong.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:37 pm

The honest truth is, theohall was my other pick.
(and I have a third pick too)

Do you feel that lassr makes for a good scan choice?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:43 pm

Unagi wrote:The honest truth is, theohall was my other pick.
(and I have a third pick too)

Do you feel that lassr makes for a good scan choice?

according to what you are trying to find...

find chaos, then No. Building a team of trusted then yes.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:45 pm

Austin wrote:I don't see anything majorly wrong with Lassr

Thanks for your support!

but I think there are better options.

wait, you really weren't supporting me were you...

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:54 pm

Purge, Bubbles, Austin are still my tops. Stessier and Chaos would be good converts. I'm Ok with shooting any of those...preferably the convert if it's stessier or Chaos since he explodes.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:04 am

I like Lassr to eat a bullet more even now. I wonder what the baddies are saying in the forum.

"WTF, how did Unagi finger Lassr?"

"Isn't it obvious, Scoop leads him around by the nose."

"We should have killed scoop instead of converting you last night. Big f*ck up."

"Man, I was sure people would be all over him by now, I mean, does anyone even read the crap he posts. He looks so guilty. I'm posting something about it now."

"No, don't!! It will just give Scoop ammunition later. Man, we aren't even in the same friggin league with this guy."

"Ok, its agreed. We all keep out mouths shut for now and let Lassr see if he can ride this out. Lassr, your on your own."

"Gee, thanks guys. SCOOPED AGAIN!"

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:10 am

Austin wrote:I don't see anything majorly wrong with Lassr but I think there are better options. Stessier or Scoop would be my ultimate preferences, but I always think Scoop is guilty for the same type of posts, and I am usually wrong.

Your right your wrong.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:17 am

The Dead:
Mipe (no taint)
Semaj (unknown)

Majority is 6 votes. If no majority is met, voting ends at 5pm est on Friday, Jan. 9th.

Votes:
Stessier(1) - Unagi

No Vote: Purge, ChaosRaven, Mr. Bubbles, Remus West, Lassr, Austin, Stessier, theohall, Scoop20906

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:17 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Austin wrote:I don't see anything majorly wrong with Lassr but I think there are better options. Stessier or Scoop would be my ultimate preferences, but I always think Scoop is guilty for the same type of posts, and I am usually wrong.
Your right your wrong.

what about Austin's right and wrong?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:28 am

Still sticking with shoot Scoop. Shoot me, the Emperor and his kids win earlier, 'cause another plain soldier dies along with the already dead mipe. So feel free if you want to see Chaos-spawn running this ship.

I got nothin' else to offer.

If I do get shot - start looking at Remus and Scoop.