Octopus Overlords

So my "Newcastle won't vote for Remus" notes results in... Newcastle stating he doesn't think he'll vote for Remus.

Uh huh.

Mr Bubbles wrote:So you think Stess is acting totally normal? I haven't seen him act this wolfish in a long time.

So what am I missing?

Chaosraven wrote:So my "Newcastle won't vote for Remus" notes results in... Newcastle stating he doesn't think he'll vote for Remus.

Uh huh.

as of today, i dont think i'll vote for him. Yeah he's not participating as much i'd hope. The other thing though is i really, really didnt like that train that moved on him so fast. Its less to do with his actions but more so to do with the actions of others. Thats why i wont vote for him....go figure.

But go ahead and spin that how you will. Am sure you'll state that I absolutely will never vote for him, that all three of us are chilling in a secret forum somewhere, that i kick baby bunnies, and have afternoon tea and crumpets with my imaginary friend alistair.

As to why i'm voting for you...well....i dont like people trying to spin what i am saying in wways which they werent intended.

Whatever.

Your words and actions speak for themselves.

bb2112 wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:So you think Stess is acting totally normal? I haven't seen him act this wolfish in a long time.

So what am I missing?

His impression of Purge?

Chaosraven wrote:Whatever.

Your words and actions speak for themselves.

As do yours, because I saw the same spin Newcastle is talking about.

Well, RMC was the guy I thought hinted at having the dart card so since he says he does not.....
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I'd happily vote for Bubbles or Chaosraven today. Bubbles because he is acting suspicious. Chaosraven because he said he wants to be the killing vote on me. It has nothing to do with wanting to be the killing vote on him. Honest.

Remus West wrote:Well, RMC was the guy I thought hinted at having the dart card so since he says he does not.....
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I'd happily vote for Bubbles or Chaosraven today. Bubbles because he is acting suspicious. Chaosraven because he said he wants to be the killing vote on me. It has nothing to do with wanting to be the killing vote on him. Honest.

Holy Crap! You are actually willing to be the killing vote on someone BEFORE the last day of the game?

I could vote for Newcastle. I don't see Chaos' characterization as all that out there.

When all is said and done I think everyone is going to be suspicious of everyone. What we can here is a Mexican Standoff.

Mr Bubbles wrote:When all is said and done I think everyone is going to be suspicious of everyone. What we can here is a Mexican Standoff.

hmm mexican standoff in a can....does it come in bottles too?

Mr Bubbles wrote:When all is said and done I think everyone is going to be suspicious of everyone. What we can here is a Mexican Standoff.

There are only three wolves, so if we can get just part of the 10 villagers to agree, no standoff required.

stessier just moved up my list. Quick vote when I changed from CR to RMC. Seems to indicate he won't vote for CR. Hmmm.....

If it's between Newcastle and Chaos, I'd go Newcastle because I think you and he are over reacting to what you've seen.

stessier wrote:If it's between Newcastle and Chaos, I'd go Newcastle because I think you and he are over reacting to what you've seen.

Stessier so in CR speak that means you wont vote for CR? Or is that a post indicating that you are trying to get people to shift from voting from CR to newcastle? Or are you saying that you wont vote CR with absolute certainty?

See what i did there? See what it feels like when its done to you? Not so good eh?

You might think its over reacting...but when someone is spinnign what you are saying in a way where its not derived from its original meaning...than yeah...i might take offense.

I can "kind" of see how CR might have gotten that impression. KIND of. Like if you looked at it at a certain light, and at a certain angle. Then yeah. But thats not how I meant it. And when I fully clarified what i said, which i was hoping would clear thigns up....it didnt seem as if that budged CR's impression of things. So what am i suppose to do? I'd think CR would be a bit more open minded to things. He's still stuck on something which was not my intent...what should I do Stessier?

Newcastle wrote:You might think its over reacting...but when someone is spinnign what you are saying in a way where its not derived from its original meaning...than yeah...i might take offense.

Of course, when you know your status and you see someone misrepresenting what you are saying,

1) They are purposely trying to turn the tide against you

2) They are ascribing guilty where there is none

3) you are a dirty little Wolf.

But seriously that is why I said a few pieces about Stessier. He seemed to want to push the kill the silents with a little too much zeal. Not to mention the guy started as a hole, let alone a small mole here and then he pushes out the gates like his ass is on fire.

Newcastle wrote:

stessier wrote:If it's between Newcastle and Chaos, I'd go Newcastle because I think you and he are over reacting to what you've seen.

Stessier so in CR speak that means you wont vote for CR? Or is that a post indicating that you are trying to get people to shift from voting from CR to newcastle? Or are you saying that you wont vote CR with absolute certainty?

See what i did there? See what it feels like when its done to you? Not so good eh?

2 out of 3 of those are true and I could see how someone could conclude the third, so I'm fine with it.

Mr Bubbles, you hold very strong opinions.

Except you don't actually. You state a vigorous case to throw suspicion on Remus, and then again on Newc.

But you don't vote for them.

Why is that?

Mr Bubbles wrote:

Newcastle wrote:You might think its over reacting...but when someone is spinnign what you are saying in a way where its not derived from its original meaning...than yeah...i might take offense.

Of course, when you know your status and you see someone misrepresenting what you are saying,

1) They are purposely trying to turn the tide against you

2) They are ascribing guilty where there is none

3) you are a dirty little Wolf.

But seriously that is why I said a few pieces about Stessier. He seemed to want to push the kill the silents with a little too much zeal. Not to mention the guy started as a hole, let alone a small mole here and then he pushes out the gates like his ass is on fire.

You know I was in Japan for a week, right?

Newcastle wrote:The other thing though is i really, really didnt like that train that moved on him so fast. Its less to do with his actions but more so to do with the actions of others. Thats why i wont vote for him....go figure.

This rings strange.

The reason a villager would be wary of a fast train would be if he was afraid that the train was being driven by wolves.

This is the group that boarded the Remus train {El Guapo, RMC, triggercut, kraegor, bb2112}.

So, following Newcastle's assertion that he didn't like the fast train forming on Remus, wouldn't it follow that he should be looking for wolves in the group he suspects of driving the train... here ---> {El Guapo, RMC, triggercut, kraegor, bb2112}?

Yet, he has only voted here:

kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ---- Chaosraven

The only vote that he has cast for anyone on the Remus train was Kraegor and that was long before the Remus train had left the station.

Newcastle wrote:You might think its over reacting...but when someone is spinnign what you are saying in a way where its not derived from its original meaning...than yeah...i might take offense.

I can "kind" of see how CR might have gotten that impression. KIND of. Like if you looked at it at a certain light, and at a certain angle. Then yeah. But thats not how I meant it. And when I fully clarified what i said, which i was hoping would clear thigns up....it didnt seem as if that budged CR's impression of things. So what am i suppose to do? I'd think CR would be a bit more open minded to things. He's still stuck on something which was not my intent...what should I do Stessier?

*I* am stuck?

Pot, this is kettle calling...

Qantaga wrote:

Newcastle wrote:The other thing though is i really, really didnt like that train that moved on him so fast. Its less to do with his actions but more so to do with the actions of others. Thats why i wont vote for him....go figure.

This rings strange.

The reason a villager would be wary of a fast train would be if he was afraid that the train was being driven by wolves.

This is the group that boarded the Remus train {El Guapo, RMC, triggercut, kraegor, bb2112}.

So, following Newcastle's assertion that he didn't like the fast train forming on Remus, wouldn't it follow that he should be looking for wolves in the group he suspects of driving the train... here ---> {El Guapo, RMC, triggercut, kraegor, bb2112}?

Yet, he has only voted here:

kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ---- Chaosraven

The only vote that he has cast for anyone on the Remus train was Kraegor and that was long before the Remus train had left the station.

Oh I havent forgotten those on that train in the slightest Q. Not at all. But there are three wolves in this game, so might as well cast your net far and wide and see what you come up with. Then when you catch 1 see what you can triangulate from that. At most that train has 2 wolves. I dont see all 3 of em hopping on that. Hence leaves at least 1 floating around...maybe 2. So might as well poke around and kick over other rocks. See who will vote for who,...and all that good stuff.

stessier wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:

Newcastle wrote:You might think its over reacting...but when someone is spinnign what you are saying in a way where its not derived from its original meaning...than yeah...i might take offense.

Of course, when you know your status and you see someone misrepresenting what you are saying,

1) They are purposely trying to turn the tide against you

2) They are ascribing guilty where there is none

3) you are a dirty little Wolf.

But seriously that is why I said a few pieces about Stessier. He seemed to want to push the kill the silents with a little too much zeal. Not to mention the guy started as a hole, let alone a small mole here and then he pushes out the gates like his ass is on fire.

You know I was in Japan for a week, right?

They don't have internet in Japan?

 Chaosraven 
 

Qantaga wrote:

Newcastle wrote:The other thing though is i really, really didnt like that train that moved on him so fast. Its less to do with his actions but more so to do with the actions of others. Thats why i wont vote for him....go figure.

This rings strange.

The reason a villager would be wary of a fast train would be if he was afraid that the train was being driven by wolves.

This is the group that boarded the Remus train {El Guapo, RMC, triggercut, kraegor, bb2112}.

So, following Newcastle's assertion that he didn't like the fast train forming on Remus, wouldn't it follow that he should be looking for wolves in the group he suspects of driving the train... here ---> {El Guapo, RMC, triggercut, kraegor, bb2112}?

Yet, he has only voted here:

kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ---- Chaosraven

The only vote that he has cast for anyone on the Remus train was Kraegor and that was long before the Remus train had left the station.

I have been quiet the last few days, but I have supported why I voted RW, and have kind of tried to help with moving the game.

But then work got very busy..
I think El Guapo is pretty bizarre in switching to me, but maybe that is just because I used my special power card on him.. Man I thought we had bonded over PM's..

If I had to choose between Newcastle and Chaos, I think I would go Chaos, as he has been a little more quiet than his normal self.

Newcastle is being pretty much himself, stirring the pot, etc..

Again, I don't have an important card, and I used it to talk to El Guapo, he can confirm that we PM'd each other, so that should confirm my card.

RMC wrote:I have been quiet the last few days, but I have supported why I voted RW, and have kind of tried to help with moving the game.

But then work got very busy..
I think El Guapo is pretty bizarre in switching to me, but maybe that is just because I used my special power card on him.. Man I thought we had bonded over PM's..

He is likely touchy about people PMing him right now.

If I had to choose between Newcastle and Chaos, I think I would go Chaos, as he has been a little more quiet than his normal self.

Newcastle is being pretty much himself, stirring the pot, etc..

Again, I don't have an important card, and I used it to talk to El Guapo, he can confirm that we PM'd each other, so that should confirm my card.

He can confirm your card but not why you used it. Although with 5 uses it likely won't get used up it still begs the question of why you'd waste a use the Seer may need/want later. Seems like an odd move.

Of the "silent" folks right now I'd list redrun, Bubbles, Kraegor, and RMC as the most odd. redrun has dropped off the planet it seems. Bubbles turns up every time his name is mentioned. Kraegor hasn't made anyone cry yet and if I hadn't been so thrilled to see him back I'd have forgotten he was playing. RMC was very quiet and made a weird use of a card.

Heh. Sorry, I actually forgot about the whole PM thing when I didn't pay attention to this game over the weekend. Yeah, I can confirm that RMC pm'd me with his special powers. He says in PMs that he's not a wolf, so it must be true.

Remus West wrote:

RMC wrote:I have been quiet the last few days, but I have supported why I voted RW, and have kind of tried to help with moving the game.

But then work got very busy..
I think El Guapo is pretty bizarre in switching to me, but maybe that is just because I used my special power card on him.. Man I thought we had bonded over PM's..

He is likely touchy about people PMing him right now.

If I had to choose between Newcastle and Chaos, I think I would go Chaos, as he has been a little more quiet than his normal self.

Newcastle is being pretty much himself, stirring the pot, etc..

Again, I don't have an important card, and I used it to talk to El Guapo, he can confirm that we PM'd each other, so that should confirm my card.

He can confirm your card but not why you used it. Although with 5 uses it likely won't get used up it still begs the question of why you'd waste a use the Seer may need/want later. Seems like an odd move.

Of the "silent" folks right now I'd list redrun, Bubbles, Kraegor, and RMC as the most odd. redrun has dropped off the planet it seems. Bubbles turns up every time his name is mentioned. Kraegor hasn't made anyone cry yet and if I hadn't been so thrilled to see him back I'd have forgotten he was playing. RMC was very quiet and made a weird use of a card.

Why odd? It's a card that let's me PM. Why would the seer use the card, it worked out so well last game for the seer to PM people, I mean it only ended with him being killed the next night.

Side's it's a new mechanic, why not use it. The people with the scanning cards used them, and not on people who it would have been nice, like maybe...you?

RMC confirmed a PM'er. Lets all remove our votes...

El Guapo wrote:Heh. Sorry, I actually forgot about the whole PM thing when I didn't pay attention to this game over the weekend. Yeah, I can confirm that RMC pm'd me with his special powers. He says in PMs that he's not a wolf, so it must be true.

And El Guapo said he is not a wolf as well.

Remus West wrote: Kraegor hasn't made anyone cry yet and if I hadn't been so thrilled to see him back I'd have forgotten he was playing.

I don't engage on day 1 and despite my lengthy absence I'm sure you recall that facet of my gameplay. (not counting instances where I engaged in roleplaying). Today is try to stay awake day. Cuz it's boring and ya'll keep rehashing the same junk while not doing anything useful. Most everyone is voting which is encouraging, but there is also a decided lack of spine in the voting... all spread out in useless pokey I'm gonna invade your space votes. It's like a lesson in conformity. poke.. oh oops sorry bout that.. poke... huh yeah what you gonna do about it, punk? poke. dude, really? this is a new shirt... seriously... wtf...

newcastle is this game's vote whore. Just putting his accuse anywhere and everywhere. Voted for half the village. I'd presume he'll go for the other half after he's had some gatorade and an energy bar. if he turns up wolf I'd suspect another wolf is in his day 1 pile. plus this tidbit

newcastle wrote:I also wont vote for BB or anyone connected w/ the scan cards (ie theo, Qantaga & Redrun)......figure night kills will clear up any confusion and prove/disprove the folks who've been fingered w/ a card. Again this goes back to their cards and how they were played. They werent pressured in releasing that info. I think we'll know more about the veracity of their claims after a couple of night cycles have passed. If they are villagers, i much rather the wolves deal with them rather than us potentially hanging em. Lets put the pressure on the bad guys.

Qantaga spends several posts explaining how the cards are useless. No one disputes. And newcastle doesn't want to hang any of them. Cuz the wolves will clear things up for us? Say what?

Using the Free Scan was not useless to me. I was doubting bb2112's behavior and that card proved me wrong.

Feel free to think it was useless. To me, the use of the cards forces the wolves to kill bb2112 or whomever redrun named. It's late and I am too drunk to look it up. Or they kill someone else in the remaining 8 and hope they get the Light Mage.

Cutting down the pool is how we find wolves, so I do contest the "cards were useless" claim.

The result of the usage of the cards in conjunction with the existence of Spartacus creates a Schrodinger's cat scenario. You don't know that your card scan was successful and as long as the location of spartacus is unknown and the scanee remains alive you cannot know. So yes you can indeed presume that your scan was of a villager. You can also presume you scanned a wolf holding spartacus.

Are you willing to bet with certainty that the 2 scan targets are true? If not both, which do you choose? If nothing is proven, what have you gained?

So the wolves are forced to kill these uncertain scans or someone else... ya know...whatever... Yeah whole lotta clarity in that...

2 wolves, one pretends to scan the other... we kill one, does it prove the other is a villager?

You haven't cut down the pool. I went to all that trouble of mocking Qantaga for an analysis and you didn't even read it!

Kraegor wrote:The result of the usage of the cards in conjunction with the existence of Spartacus creates a Schrodinger's cat scenario. You don't know that your card scan was successful and as long as the location of spartacus is unknown and the scanee remains alive you cannot know. So yes you can indeed presume that your scan was of a villager. You can also presume you scanned a wolf holding spartacus.

Are you willing to bet with certainty that the 2 scan targets are true? If not both, which do you choose? If nothing is proven, what have you gained?

So the wolves are forced to kill these uncertain scans or someone else... ya know...whatever... Yeah whole lotta clarity in that...

2 wolves, one pretends to scan the other... we kill one, does it prove the other is a villager?

You haven't cut down the pool. I went to all that trouble of mocking Qantaga for an analysis and you didn't even read it!

Yet this completely ignores the possibility bb2112 is telling the truth and does have the "I Told Ya So" card. But... go ahead and mock away. Nice "analysis" leaving out possibilities.

Did you get handed a Dark Mage role in your return to this nonsense?

theohall wrote:
Yet this completely ignores the possibility bb2112 is telling the truth and does have the "I Told Ya So" card. But... go ahead and mock away. Nice "analysis" leaving out possibilities.

Did you get handed a Dark Mage role in your return to this nonsense?

Nonsense? Have you voted for bb2112? Has anyone started a train in order to... gee I dunno... lynch him so he can use the card and therefore unequivocally prove himself. Just prefer living in that magical world of possibilities I suppose.

Although I agree with Kraegor that I am not 100% proven, this is day 1. It is all about who we want to take a chance on with virtually no real information. Except for the fact we do have maybe a smidge more information than usual. Which goes back to people who are not proven, but at the same time are probably not desirable to lynch today. That being Theo, Q, RR, and myself. I throw El G into that group for me, but others may not see it that way. On the other 8, these are my opinions. You can view my opinions on the 5 above in an earlier post, if you care.

Triggercut: I was being rude to him on purpose. I wanted to see his reaction, and I wanted to see if anyone else would jump on me as a result. I believe he was laying a trap for people with his absurd comments about being doubtful of me because I voted for RW again, especially when he himself points out that some of RW's comments have been rediculous. It has been over 24 hours and nothing has come of it. Sorry Trig, was trying something new. Trig is engaged and stirring the pot. Probably not the best day 1 candidate.

Stessier: I have a hard time reading Stess, but I agree with his thought processes a lot. If we are going to vote someone off for a stupid reason on day 1, why not non-participation. I can think of a lot stupider reasons for people being voted off.

Kraegor: Unknown factor. I find his insistance that I use the "Told ya so" card after being scanned a little strange. I know I am not 100% proven, but isn't a semi proven better than nothing? We have a lot of people that are 0%, so why waste a guarantee on someone that is already above 0%? I would do it if the whole village felt the same way, but I think it is a mistake. This makes Kraegor suspicious.

Newcastle: He is flighty, sometimes. I think that makes him hard to nail down because you wonder if he is just cracking wise, or is he making a subtle mistake. I think Q summed up his strange behavior this game the best. He wont vote for RW, is suspicious of the train, but doesn't really go after anyone on the train. When called out on it, NC mentions there are other evil mages to be had out there. Why not triangulate on the one you think you have? And evil players are the ones that usually take a stand and say they wont vote for someone for vague reasons. It is to lay a false trail for later when proved right. May be evil.

RMC: Don't understand the train on him. Is it because he is quiet? I would like to get a post count because I don't think he has been as quiet as some. His use of PM card? I think anyone would have used it day one. It really doesn't do a whole lot on proving anyone, and as we have seen, it can make the person contacted suspicious. The only thing we do know is that either El G and RMC are both good, or at least one of them is. Why would 2 evil mages contact each other on Day 1?

CR: I have trouble reading CR. He changes his play from quiet, to aggressive, to analytical all the time. Usually on day 1 he plays more on the quiet side. Don't see anything too unusual. Would like a post count from him if he could wrangle up the time to do it. Please?

Mr. Bubbles: Quiet. Comes when summoned. Makes vague accusations against those voting for him. I have no idea. Has not participated heavily in the last few games he has been in. Good candidate to go day 1 as far as I'm concerned.

RW: I've studied his play more than any other. He is a great player, hard to read, changes his style of play regularly, people will not vote for him even when he drives the lynch of an uncontested seer. I don't understand the power he has over the masses, but apparently it is hypnotizing. At the same time, he has made some strange assertions this game. I don't know if he is trying to draw a lynch this game by making some absurd conclusions, or if he is using the absurd conclusions to drive suspicion to others. Unfortunately, I've seen him do both. Since people don't want to do anything about him now, I guess he is a day 3 problem. If he is still alive, then he is probably evil. Either that, or he better have some good success in sniffing out evil.

All this being said,  Withdraw Remus West 
 


Although I could switch to a quiet because that would probably help the village long term, I think based on all the day 1 activity so far, there are 2 people that seem off. Kraegor and Newcastle. Of the 2, I think NC is the more suspicious. So...

 Newcastle 
 

Newcastle ---------- kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ----- Chaosraven
BB2112 ---------- Remus West ----- Remus West. ----- Newcastle ----- ----- ----- -----
theohall ---------- stessier ----- Chasoraven ----- RMC ----- Chaosraven ----- ----- -----
kraegor ---------- Remus West ----- Chasoraven ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
El Guapo ---------- Remus West ----- kraegor ----- RMC ----- ----- ----- -----
stessier ---------- Mr. Bubbles ----- RMC ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
triggercut ---------- El Guapo ----- Remus West ----- RMC ----- ----- ----- -----
Chaosraven ---------- bb2112 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Qantaga ---------- theohall ----- stessier ----- Newcastle ----- ----- ----- -----
RMC ---------- Remus West ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
redrun ---------- Qantaga ----- Chasoraven ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Mr. Bubbles ---------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
.
.
Chaosraven -4 ---------- redrun, Newcastle, theohall, kraegor
RMC -3 ---------- El Guapo, stessier, triggercut
Newcastle -2 ---------- Qantaga, bb2112
Remus West -1 -------- RMC
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----------

Majority = 7

Remus West wrote: Of the "silent" folks right now I'd list redrun, Bubbles, Kraegor, and RMC as the most odd. redrun has dropped off the planet it seems. Bubbles turns up every time his name is mentioned. Kraegor hasn't made anyone cry yet and if I hadn't been so thrilled to see him back I'd have forgotten he was playing. RMC was very quiet and made a weird use of a card.

No, I'm still here. I've a bad habit of posting garbage that doesn't help the village when I try to throw off a quick post, but I've been following along.

I still think you're evil. I still think you want votes. I'm not as sure as I was, but unless something changes I'd be willing to vote for you tomorrow.
Chaos and Newcastle. Both have done things that look like evil to me, but they've certainly been at one another for a while. Not sure how to read this.
El Guapo feels off to me.
BB2112 feels good to me.
For all that Qantaga wants us to remember that he could be evil, I suspect that he isn't.
Mr. Bubbles - seems somewhat normal.
Theohall always looks guilty to me.

Current voting : two folks I distrust voting for Chaos, three folks I don't have strong feelings on voting for RMC, two folks I think are trustable on Newcastle. If Newcastle comes up evil it adds a slight bit of weight to my belief that Remus is evil.

 Newcastle 
 

bb2112 wrote:RW: I've studied his play more than any other. He is a great player, hard to read, changes his style of play regularly, people will not vote for him even when he drives the lynch of an uncontested seer. I don't understand the power he has over the masses, but apparently it is hypnotizing. At the same time, he has made some strange assertions this game. I don't know if he is trying to draw a lynch this game by making some absurd conclusions, or if he is using the absurd conclusions to drive suspicion to others. Unfortunately, I've seen him do both. Since people don't want to do anything about him now, I guess he is a day 3 problem. If he is still alive, then he is probably evil. Either that, or he better have some good success in sniffing out evil.

What conclusions are you talking about? Are you inventing things in your head and attributing them to me?

Remus West wrote:

bb2112 wrote:RW: I've studied his play more than any other. He is a great player, hard to read, changes his style of play regularly, people will not vote for him even when he drives the lynch of an uncontested seer. I don't understand the power he has over the masses, but apparently it is hypnotizing. At the same time, he has made some strange assertions this game. I don't know if he is trying to draw a lynch this game by making some absurd conclusions, or if he is using the absurd conclusions to drive suspicion to others. Unfortunately, I've seen him do both. Since people don't want to do anything about him now, I guess he is a day 3 problem. If he is still alive, then he is probably evil. Either that, or he better have some good success in sniffing out evil.

What conclusions are you talking about? Are you inventing things in your head and attributing them to me?

Kettle meet Pot... Pot meet Kettle.