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They keep hoping to find that one email that places Hillary in the crowd of attackers that day, don't they?

Nope, just gotta keep the word in the headlines and innuendo percolating.

This and the medical records are just a new hobby for the soon-to-be-unemployed Birthers.

What boggles my mind is people like my parents who think these emails are the end-all, be-all smoking gun as to why we can't elect Hillary. So somehow these emails are more important than being a bigot, lying, flip-flopping, a completely inability to run a competent campaign, childish name-calling, having zero details as to economic or foreign policy plans, a complete lack of transparency, a complete lack of political experience, etc. etc. The list goes on and on.

EVERY campaign is a choice between two evils. Because politicians, by their very nature, are not sinless people. But I don't see how you can weigh the scales and say that one outweighs the other. Unless you're just completely brainwashed.

YellowKing wrote:EVERY campaign is a choice between two evils. Because politicians, by their very nature, are not sinless people. But I don't see how you can weigh the scales and say that one outweighs the other. Unless you're just completely brainwashed.

1. One of these choices isn't a "politician".
2. Hillary has been outspending Trump on advertising by 10 to 1, but it's the Trump voters who are brainwashed?
3. Hillary looks sick, and has only been appearing in very controlled displays. Sitting on Jimmy Kimmel''s couch opening an already open jar of pickles. LMAO
4. You don't abandon your troops, even though they're trying to make it look like Seal Team 6 did that to an airman with "digital evidence" so they can say "See, Hillary isn't the only one to do so." IMO http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -2002.html I'l bet the Air Force gave them this in trade for supporting getting rid of their least favorite ride the A-10 in favor of the piece of crap F-35.

em2, you misplaced your tinfoil hat.

Zarathud wrote:em2, you misplaced your tinfoil hat.

Maybe, but maybe not.

My brother-in-law, who is a mechanic, has held a job at pretty much every repair shop in the entire city (approximately 30+). He changed jobs approximately every 3 months. The reason is because he could never get along with the managers. He used to complain that every manager was out to get him.

Now, which is more likely? That 30 different managers were actually out to get him, or that my brother-in-law was actually the problem?

Now replace "auto repair shops" with "the media." At some point you have to ask yourself if the whole world is out to get you, or if your way of thinking simply isn't based on facts.

em2nought wrote: 3. Hillary looks sick, and has only been appearing in very controlled displays. Sitting on Jimmy Kimmel''s couch opening an already open jar of pickles. LMAO

Had to look that up, as it seemed too absurd. It is absolutely hilarious how the Trumpsters are actually holding up that little bit of sarcastic humor as if she intended it as some sort of proof to begin with. He was making fun of them for their conspiracy theories, and they respond with a conspiracy theory.

Idgit says what?

YellowKing wrote:My brother-in-law, who is a mechanic, has held a job at pretty much every repair shop in the entire city (approximately 30+). He changed jobs approximately every 3 months. The reason is because he could never get along with the managers. He used to complain that every manager was out to get him.

Now, which is more likely? That 30 different managers were actually out to get him, or that my brother-in-law was actually the problem?

Now replace "auto repair shops" with "the media." At some point you have to ask yourself if the whole world is out to get you, or if your way of thinking simply isn't based on facts.

Conservatives despise everyone who is charged with actually investigating, researching and then presenting facts. You can go down the check list of people who they say are liberal and out to get them: Academia, scientists, the media. Is it that they are all liberal or that they actually look at the world around them, study it and then report it for what it is?

Blackhawk wrote:

em2nought wrote: 3. Hillary looks sick, and has only been appearing in very controlled displays. Sitting on Jimmy Kimmel''s couch opening an already open jar of pickles. LMAO

Had to look that up, as it seemed too absurd. It is absolutely hilarious how the Trumpsters are actually holding up that little bit of sarcastic humor as if she intended it as some sort of proof to begin with. He was making fun of them for their conspiracy theories, and they respond with a conspiracy theory.

Idgit says what?

Yep Em2 even bit on the Pickle Gate.

That's hilarious. I hadn't heard of that conspiracy theory yet.

Scraper wrote: Conservatives despise everyone who is charged with actually investigating, researching and then presenting facts. You can go down the check list of people who they say are liberal and out to get them: Academia, scientists, the media. Is it that they are all liberal or that they actually look at the world around them, study it and then report it for what it is?

But academics, scientists, and journalists have been wrong at times in the past.

Therefore, every outrageous right-wing claim they reject must necessarily be true.

hepcat wrote:That's hilarious. I hadn't heard of that conspiracy theory yet.

enjoy the rabbit hole

https://youtu.be/LQRciSyfwOA

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Jimmy Kimmel reveals the pickle jar truth.

After thinking about it for a few days I have decided I support Kap not standing for the national anthem because he thinks Hillary belongs in jail........

Don't you mean Hillary Goddamn Clinton?

Scraper wrote:Yep Em2 even bit on the Pickle Gate.

Actually, I made that up on my own. Didn't know it was a "thing". LOL

em2nought wrote:

Scraper wrote:Yep Em2 even bit on the Pickle Gate.

Actually, I made that up on my own. Didn't know it was a "thing". LOL

What kind of hardcore alt right conservative are you if you're not reading infowars.com at least 3 times a day? Slacker!

Scraper wrote:What kind of hardcore alt right conservative are you if you're not reading infowars.com at least 3 times a day? Slacker!

Actually I'm more of a "I'd vote for Trump to stop Hillary" kind of guy, looking for my match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLAh3pui-CI
http://balancedrebellion.com/

According to the bureau’s review of server logs, someone accessed an email account on Jan. 5, 2013, using three IP addresses known to serve as Tor “exit nodes” — jumping-off points from the anonymity network to the public internet.

The owner of the account, whose name is redacted in the report, said she was “not familiar with nor [had] she ever used Tor software.”

Clinton left the State Department less than a month after the intrusion.

Tor, developed with support from the U.S. government, is used around the world to let people such as activists and journalists communicate and surf the Web without interference from oppressive regimes, but it has also drawn criticism for allowing hackers and criminals to evade law enforcement while peddling porn, drugs and stolen data.

The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled.

The FBI in July declined to recommend charges in connection with Clinton’s email practices, though Director James Comey called her and her aides’ conduct “extremely careless.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/c ... tor-227697

I'm shocked that she didn't have air tight IT oversight and management of her closet email server.

None of this is new news.

GreenGoo wrote:I'm shocked that she didn't have air tight IT oversight and management of her closet email server.

None of this is new news.

Isn't it? I doubt she would be able to remember.

Hillary Clinton, under questioning by federal investigators over whether she had been briefed on how to preserve government records as she was about to leave the State Department, said she had suffered a concussion, was working part-time and could not recall every briefing she received.

Clinton, the Democratic Party's presidential candidate, raised the health scare during her 3-1/2-hour interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department prosecutors on July 2, according to an FBI summary released on Friday.

Besides the 11-page interview summary, the FBI also released other details of its investigation into her use of an unauthorized private email system while running the State Department, in which it concluded she mishandled classified information but not in a way that warranted a criminal prosecution.

Clinton told investigators she could not recall getting any briefings on how to handle classified information or comply with laws governing the preservation of federal records, the summary of her interview shows.

"However, in December of 2012, Clinton suffered a concussion and then around the New Year had a blood clot," the FBI's summary said. "Based on her doctor's advice, she could only work at State for a few hours a day and could not recall every briefing she received."

A Clinton campaign aide said Clinton only referenced her concussion to explain she was not at work but for a few hours a day at that time, not that she did not remember things from that period.

The concussion was widely reported then, and Republicans have since used it to attack the 68-year-old candidate's health in a way her staff have said is unfounded.

The FBI report, which does not quote Clinton directly, is ambiguous about whether it was her concussion that affected her ability to recall briefings.

The FBI declined to provide further comment on the report.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-releases ... 59130.html

No wonder she doesn't drive, she would probably get lost and we would have to put her on a milk carton.

Can you imagine being the poor IT guy that has to reset her password ten times a day when she forgets it?

Rip wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:I'm shocked that she didn't have air tight IT oversight and management of her closet email server.

None of this is new news.

Isn't it? I doubt she would be able to remember.

Hillary Clinton, under questioning by federal investigators over whether she had been briefed on how to preserve government records as she was about to leave the State Department, said she had suffered a concussion, was working part-time and could not recall every briefing she received.

Clinton, the Democratic Party's presidential candidate, raised the health scare during her 3-1/2-hour interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department prosecutors on July 2, according to an FBI summary released on Friday.

Besides the 11-page interview summary, the FBI also released other details of its investigation into her use of an unauthorized private email system while running the State Department, in which it concluded she mishandled classified information but not in a way that warranted a criminal prosecution.

Clinton told investigators she could not recall getting any briefings on how to handle classified information or comply with laws governing the preservation of federal records, the summary of her interview shows.

"However, in December of 2012, Clinton suffered a concussion and then around the New Year had a blood clot," the FBI's summary said. "Based on her doctor's advice, she could only work at State for a few hours a day and could not recall every briefing she received."

A Clinton campaign aide said Clinton only referenced her concussion to explain she was not at work but for a few hours a day at that time, not that she did not remember things from that period.

The concussion was widely reported then, and Republicans have since used it to attack the 68-year-old candidate's health in a way her staff have said is unfounded.

The FBI report, which does not quote Clinton directly, is ambiguous about whether it was her concussion that affected her ability to recall briefings.

The FBI declined to provide further comment on the report.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-releases ... 59130.html

No wonder she doesn't drive, she would probably get lost and we would have to put her on a milk carton.

Can you imagine being the poor IT guy that has to reset her password ten times a day when she forgets it?

I hope she hasn't suffered some permanent brain injury.

Smutly wrote:I hope she hasn't suffered some permanent brain injury.

You're in luck.

Why are we repeating a conversation we've had at least twice before. And not just talking points back and forth but actual in depth discussion of the ramifications of her email server.

Is it because it's an election year and right leaning papers really don't want Hillary to be president even if it means president Drumpf, so it's just a constant stream of alarmist headlines?

Listen, if I can swallow an entire war predicated on a president's whim where thousands died and billions disappeared, the least you could do is shut the hell up about a freakin' email server.

GreenGoo wrote:Why are we repeating a conversation we've had at least twice before.

Is it because it's an election year and right leaning papers really don't want Hillary to be president even if it means Drumpf does, so it's just a constant stream of alarmist headlines?

Listen, if I can swallow an entire war predicated on a president's whim where thousands died and billions disappeared, the least you could do is shut the hell up about a freakin' email server.

Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

Rip wrote:

According to the bureau’s review of server logs, someone accessed an email account on Jan. 5, 2013, using three IP addresses known to serve as Tor “exit nodes” — jumping-off points from the anonymity network to the public internet.

The owner of the account, whose name is redacted in the report, said she was “not familiar with nor [had] she ever used Tor software.”

Clinton left the State Department less than a month after the intrusion.

Tor, developed with support from the U.S. government, is used around the world to let people such as activists and journalists communicate and surf the Web without interference from oppressive regimes, but it has also drawn criticism for allowing hackers and criminals to evade law enforcement while peddling porn, drugs and stolen data.

The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled.

Meh, if that was grounds for criminal charges, the vast majority of business leaders in this world would be in jail.

Smutly wrote: Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

i can't remember every email I've ever sent. Nor every meeting I've been in. I must be hiding something....OR I'M DYING! My god, help me!

Alefroth wrote:

Smutly wrote:I hope she hasn't suffered some permanent brain injury.

You're in luck.

I'll require a little more than your assurance.

hepcat wrote:

Rip wrote:

According to the bureau’s review of server logs, someone accessed an email account on Jan. 5, 2013, using three IP addresses known to serve as Tor “exit nodes” — jumping-off points from the anonymity network to the public internet.

The owner of the account, whose name is redacted in the report, said she was “not familiar with nor [had] she ever used Tor software.”

Clinton left the State Department less than a month after the intrusion.

Tor, developed with support from the U.S. government, is used around the world to let people such as activists and journalists communicate and surf the Web without interference from oppressive regimes, but it has also drawn criticism for allowing hackers and criminals to evade law enforcement while peddling porn, drugs and stolen data.

The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled.

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Meh, if that was grounds for criminal charges, the vast majority of business leaders in this world would be in jail.

I'm not sure what this has to do about anything anyway. It's just indication that someone was hitting the server from a Tor exit node. I can see an aide using Remote Desktop Server for legit reasons. Not smart, given vulnerabilities...maybe against policy...? Don't know if that makes it criminal, but I don't really care about this. I just care that she says she can't remember large chunks of information.

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote: Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

i can't remember every email I've ever sent. Nor every meeting I've been in. I must be hiding something....OR I'M DYING! My god, help me!

You guys are so intellectually dishonest it's sad.

hepcat wrote:

Rip wrote:

According to the bureau’s review of server logs, someone accessed an email account on Jan. 5, 2013, using three IP addresses known to serve as Tor “exit nodes” — jumping-off points from the anonymity network to the public internet.

The owner of the account, whose name is redacted in the report, said she was “not familiar with nor [had] she ever used Tor software.”

Clinton left the State Department less than a month after the intrusion.

Tor, developed with support from the U.S. government, is used around the world to let people such as activists and journalists communicate and surf the Web without interference from oppressive regimes, but it has also drawn criticism for allowing hackers and criminals to evade law enforcement while peddling porn, drugs and stolen data.

The new report also revealed that one of Clinton’s IT aides enabled Remote Desktop Protocol on the server, despite known vulnerabilities in the protocol. FBI investigators also could not determine if the widely recommended security protocol TLS was ever enabled.

Meh, if that was grounds for criminal charges, the vast majority of business leaders in this world would be in jail.

Smutly wrote: Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

i can't remember every email I've ever sent. Nor every meeting I've been in. I must be hiding something....OR I'M DYING! My god, help me!

The vast majority of business leaders don't handle classified data on their servers or they would be and if the people that do handle servers intended to handle even just confidential info turned on remote desktop they would be fired as well. Opening rdp, to the internet is crazy reckless, even for a business.

I can guarentee that if you worked for a major US oil company and you opened a server to rdp from the internet you would be fired on the spot. Period. Furthermore it would be a breach of any contracts they have signed regarding use of seismic data owned by third parties. If any leaked it would cost potentially billions.

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote: Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

i can't remember every email I've ever sent. Nor every meeting I've been in. I must be hiding something....OR I'M DYING! My god, help me!

You guys are so intellectually dishonest it's sad.

Predictable response.

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote: Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

i can't remember every email I've ever sent. Nor every meeting I've been in. I must be hiding something....OR I'M DYING! My god, help me!

You guys are so intellectually dishonest it's sad.

Now you should tell us how far left we are and how our echo chamber doesn't allow us to see what a good candidate Drumpf really is.

Smutly wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:Why are we repeating a conversation we've had at least twice before.

Is it because it's an election year and right leaning papers really don't want Hillary to be president even if it means Drumpf does, so it's just a constant stream of alarmist headlines?

Listen, if I can swallow an entire war predicated on a president's whim where thousands died and billions disappeared, the least you could do is shut the hell up about a freakin' email server.

Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

I'm saying the only person with a worse memory than Reagan was North. Both seemed to make out ok.

This whole line of attack is dumb. If this is the best you guys have got, it's a desperate year for the right. Hell, you've got a known democrat as your candidate.

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote: Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

i can't remember every email I've ever sent. Nor every meeting I've been in. I must be hiding something....OR I'M DYING! My god, help me!

You guys are so intellectually dishonest it's sad.

Predictable response.

Jesus loves you.

GreenGoo wrote:

Smutly wrote:

hepcat wrote:

Smutly wrote: Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

i can't remember every email I've ever sent. Nor every meeting I've been in. I must be hiding something....OR I'M DYING! My god, help me!

You guys are so intellectually dishonest it's sad.

Now you should tell us how far left we are and how our echo chamber doesn't allow us to see what a good candidate Drumpf really is.

I'd rather you just deal with the facts instead of throwing up the hum drum attempt at obfuscation. I'm not voting for Trump, so lick it.

Smutly wrote: I'd rather you just deal with the facts instead of throwing up the hum drum attempt at obfuscation. I'm not voting for Trump, so lick it.

Lol. How on earth was my comment obfuscation but yours was an honest attempt to engage people in discussion like a grown up?

Go play in traffic.

GreenGoo wrote:

Smutly wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:Why are we repeating a conversation we've had at least twice before.

Is it because it's an election year and right leaning papers really don't want Hillary to be president even if it means Drumpf does, so it's just a constant stream of alarmist headlines?

Listen, if I can swallow an entire war predicated on a president's whim where thousands died and billions disappeared, the least you could do is shut the hell up about a freakin' email server.

Clinton, herself, says she can't remember things and you're blaming headlines? Blame Clinton for either 1) lying about it or 2) being sick. Well, don't blame her for being sick, but blame her for running for President if she knows she has an issue without disclosing it. I don't know the truth, but it's her words/excuses.

I'm saying the only person with a worse memory than Reagan was North. Both seemed to make out ok.

This whole line of attack is dumb. If this is the best you guys have got, it's a desperate year for the right. Hell, you've got a known democrat as your candidate.

I didn't realize I was attacking. If I were you would know it. As I stated, I'm not voting for Trump. Some people just can't admit when they're wrong. It's okay. I have known adults my entire life who are never wrong even when they're wrong.

It's part of the human condition to want to have our way. We all have areas of self-righteousness where we believe that we know better than others. To the extent that this need to be right and resulting defensiveness permeates one's life, the less connected you will be with others. Being unable to connect with people in the real world, some people go to the virtual one -- say, a message board on the Internet. Unable to connect with real people, they begin to tie their self-worth with their online persona. That combination makes for an unrelenting and unwavering expression of having to be right. An inability to say "I don't know" and "I was wrong" due to feeling threatened by fact (aka the real world) and/or preoccupation with winning approval from others increases the likelihood of joining an on-line liberal "attack pack" where they can find comfort in numbers. Barking liberal tag lines like the sad punchline of a weak joke to feel connected somehow to something and someone -- even if that someone is 'virtual'. It's okay, guys. Really. I feel your pain. Your shame and fear of being vulnerable in the real world is understandable. Knowing that despite your best efforts you still aren't achieving your hopes and dreams has to be crushing. Being responsible for yourself or others is a big responsibility and it's scary. I just wanted you to know that I understand why you are like you are. You have my pity and my government-sponsored welfare. Except for you Goo. I don't pay Canadian taxes. Remember, Jesus loves you, as do I, as well as your family. Now please take out the trash like your mom asked you.