The Art of the Donald Trumpocalypse

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:08 pm

I do wonder if he expected to be this successful, or if today he really believes he's going to go the distance into next fall.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:39 pm

Re: the beating, someone finally clued him in.

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Friday he "would never condone violence" after Boston police said two men beat a homeless man while making anti-immigrant statements.
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GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:43 pm

Smoove_B wrote:Yeah, I think she is. I mean, everyone thinks Trump is an idiot. He might be a curmudgeon but I don't think he's stupid. I think he's exactly where he wants to be.

I have no idea how smart or unsmart he is. He's either a buffoon or playing one. Neither gives him a pass. In some ways, pretending to be a buffoon is worse.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:44 pm

tgb wrote: If runs as a 3rd party candidate, the Democrats will owe him for handing them the election. If he doesn't, the Republicans will owe him for staying out of the race.

Owe how? Maybe I am being pedantic, but both those parties seem to hate Trump...what could he possibly gain by their subconscious, indirect gratitude?

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:00 pm

Political favors and reputation. Building massive things to put your name on requires political approvals. No local politician is going to deny Trump permits if he's a national figure with connections to leadership. He also gets an edge on government bidding.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:09 pm

GreenGoo wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:Yeah, I think she is. I mean, everyone thinks Trump is an idiot. He might be a curmudgeon but I don't think he's stupid. I think he's exactly where he wants to be.
I have no idea how smart or unsmart he is. He's either a buffoon or playing one. Neither gives him a pass. In some ways, pretending to be a buffoon is worse.

He went to the Wharton School of Business, one of the hugest, bestest schools in the country. He's also very, very rich.

Try to keep up

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:11 pm

Zarathud wrote:Political favors and reputation. Building massive things to put your name on requires political approvals. No local politician is going to deny Trump permits if he's a national figure with connections to leadership. He also gets an edge on government bidding.

Ah, so.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:16 pm

tgb wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:Yeah, I think she is. I mean, everyone thinks Trump is an idiot. He might be a curmudgeon but I don't think he's stupid. I think he's exactly where he wants to be.
I have no idea how smart or unsmart he is. He's either a buffoon or playing one. Neither gives him a pass. In some ways, pretending to be a buffoon is worse.
He went to the Wharton School of Business, one of the hugest, bestest schools in the country. He's also very, very rich.

Try to keep up

I'm not going to actually listen to him before I judge him!

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:04 pm

The real reason Donald Trump is so popular: He's the surrogate mouthpiece for the things most Americans deeply believe (but are too afraid to say)

Americans right now see Donald Trump in exactly the same way. He's the village hero they're arming with a sword while shoving him forward to face the oncoming dragon. Trump, you see, has guts. He's a warrior. He's willing to march into all the battles that everyone else desperately wants to avoid.

Most people, you see, live with an astonishing lack of personal fortitude. They're easily intimidated and often find it easier to go along and get along rather than rock the boat by challenging the status quo. They're afraid to go against the grain, speak the truth in a crowded room or express an obvious fact that isn't politically correct. (Like the simple fact that vaccines damage children or that chemotherapy kills cancer patients.)

But individuals like Donald Trump and the Health Ranger (that's me) have a reputation for kicking ass, speaking out and fighting for truth, even in the face of organized, systemic suppression of that truth. Because of that, people often call on us to speak up for them and say the things they are too afraid to say themselves.

That's why I deeply understand why Donald Trump is so popular: He's the warrior who's willing to take on the establishment that everybody knows is crooked and corrupt. Trump is willing to say the words of truth that everybody else already believes but is too afraid to utter. "Build a wall! Kick out the illegals!" Everybody's thinking it -- especially African-Americans who are losing their jobs due to illegals -- but few are willing to say it for fear of being publicly condemned.

http://www.naturalnews.com/050815_Donal ... rior.html#

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- ... publicans/

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:18 pm

A lot of interesting takes on Trump.

Americans are just tired of it all. Tired of no one speaking honestly to them, tired of being told they cannot speak honestly.

Think about this: For two administrations, Democrats, Republicans and independents effectively have been told to hold their tongues. During the Bush administration, you were unpatriotic if you criticized the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; during the Obama administration, you're a racist if you criticize the president or his policies.

And don't even think about expressing your values if those are outside the elite's standard of everyone deserving equality and fairness (unless, of course, you disagree with that elitist viewpoint, in which case hatred and character destruction are your reward).

This column has reported endlessly on the unnamed populist movement afoot in this country, one bridging both sides of the political aisle and uniting Americans against the establishment.
People look at government with an anger and a frustration which Washington does not understand.
In a span of a few days last week, Americans witnessed Washington's glaring failure with disbelief.

When CBS News reporter Major Garrett pressed President Obama at a news conference last week, asking why American hostages in Iran weren't addressed in the nuclear arms “deal,” the president was insulted that someone would interrupt his victory lap. Garrett's peers, supposedly all balanced, hard-nosed journalists paid to ask tough questions, retreated predictably; they failed to practice good journalism by pressing the president on that point, perhaps because they are cloistered in their polarized world.

Donald Trump is going nowhere in this election cycle; neither is Bernie Sanders. But there is nothing wrong about the nomination races being a spectacle right now, because it demonstrates the volume of unrest among people looking for leadership.

Populism is lightning in a bottle. It is always bottom-up and always about people looking for a leader, not a circus barker leading a parade of tigers and jugglers on a small-town promenade.
Trump and Sanders are reflections of the unrest, not the leaders we are seeking.

http://triblive.com/opinion/salena/8759 ... z3j6t3VNBO

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:35 pm

Rip wrote:A lot of interesting takes on Trump.
Trump and Sanders are reflections of the unrest, not the leaders we are seeking.
http://triblive.com/opinion/salena/8759 ... z3j6t3VNBO

That statement makes no sense. If there is truly an uprising of unrest against the establishment, why would those people want a leader who is business as usual?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:05 pm

Rip wrote:A lot of interesting takes on Trump.

during the Obama administration, you're a racist if you criticize the president or his policies.
http://triblive.com/opinion/salena/8759 ... z3j6t3VNBO

Really? And that's where they lost me...

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:13 pm

Jaymann wrote:
Rip wrote:A lot of interesting takes on Trump.
Trump and Sanders are reflections of the unrest, not the leaders we are seeking.
http://triblive.com/opinion/salena/8759 ... z3j6t3VNBO
That statement makes no sense. If there is truly an uprising of unrest against the establishment, why would those people want a leader who is business as usual?

Who Sanders? I guess he could be.

Trump? He is anything but business as usual as noted by the establishment candidates of both parties attacking him profusely.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:59 pm

Rip wrote:
Jaymann wrote:
Rip wrote:A lot of interesting takes on Trump.
Trump and Sanders are reflections of the unrest, not the leaders we are seeking.
http://triblive.com/opinion/salena/8759 ... z3j6t3VNBO
That statement makes no sense. If there is truly an uprising of unrest against the establishment, why would those people want a leader who is business as usual?
Who Sanders? I guess he could be.

Trump? He is anything but business as usual as noted by the establishment candidates of both parties attacking him profusely.

This guy is saying Trump and Sanders are NOT the leaders we are seeking. So who else is out there that IS the leader we are seeking?

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:07 pm

Jaymann wrote:
Rip wrote:
Jaymann wrote:
Rip wrote:A lot of interesting takes on Trump.
Trump and Sanders are reflections of the unrest, not the leaders we are seeking.
http://triblive.com/opinion/salena/8759 ... z3j6t3VNBO
That statement makes no sense. If there is truly an uprising of unrest against the establishment, why would those people want a leader who is business as usual?
Who Sanders? I guess he could be.

Trump? He is anything but business as usual as noted by the establishment candidates of both parties attacking him profusely.
This guy is saying Trump and Sanders are NOT the leaders we are seeking. So who else is out there that IS the leader we are seeking?

Warren on the left. Zombie Reagan on the right.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:02 pm

Rip wrote:
The real reason Donald Trump is so popular: He's the surrogate mouthpiece for the things most Americans deeply believe (but are too afraid to say)

Americans right now see Donald Trump in exactly the same way. He's the village hero they're arming with a sword while shoving him forward to face the oncoming dragon. Trump, you see, has guts. He's a warrior. He's willing to march into all the battles that everyone else desperately wants to avoid.

Most people, you see, live with an astonishing lack of personal fortitude. They're easily intimidated and often find it easier to go along and get along rather than rock the boat by challenging the status quo. They're afraid to go against the grain, speak the truth in a crowded room or express an obvious fact that isn't politically correct. (Like the simple fact that vaccines damage children or that chemotherapy kills cancer patients.)

But individuals like Donald Trump and the Health Ranger (that's me) have a reputation for kicking ass, speaking out and fighting for truth, even in the face of organized, systemic suppression of that truth. Because of that, people often call on us to speak up for them and say the things they are too afraid to say themselves.

That's why I deeply understand why Donald Trump is so popular: He's the warrior who's willing to take on the establishment that everybody knows is crooked and corrupt. Trump is willing to say the words of truth that everybody else already believes but is too afraid to utter. "Build a wall! Kick out the illegals!" Everybody's thinking it -- especially African-Americans who are losing their jobs due to illegals -- but few are willing to say it for fear of being publicly condemned.

http://www.naturalnews.com/050815_Donal ... rior.html#

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- ... publicans/

This is complete gibberish. And Trump's record is right there in front of us. There might be some that wish for a Truth Warrior (I find that hard to believe) but Trump sure as hell ain't it. Just freakin' look at his history! He's a nightmare. Geezus. He's the embarrassing uncle with lots of inane ideas, a loud mouth and too much to drink.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:12 pm

Jaymann wrote:
Rip wrote:
Jaymann wrote:
Rip wrote:A lot of interesting takes on Trump.
Trump and Sanders are reflections of the unrest, not the leaders we are seeking.
http://triblive.com/opinion/salena/8759 ... z3j6t3VNBO
That statement makes no sense. If there is truly an uprising of unrest against the establishment, why would those people want a leader who is business as usual?
Who Sanders? I guess he could be.

Trump? He is anything but business as usual as noted by the establishment candidates of both parties attacking him profusely.
This guy is saying Trump and Sanders are NOT the leaders we are seeking. So who else is out there that IS the leader we are seeking?

He/She doesn't exist from what I have seen, thus the polling data.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:56 pm

Should be a fun time tonight.

Supporters of Donald Trump were being ushered into the Ladd-Peebles Stadium in Mobile, Alabama, for the real estate mogul's pep rally early Friday night, a massive event that organizers say could draw up to 40,000 people.

Previously planned for the nearby Civic Center -- which can hold up to 4,000 people -- the event was moved to the 43,000-seat Ladd-Peebles Stadium, normally home to high school football games.

The first person to get in line was retired Marine Keith Quackenbush.

"This isn't about Republicans, it isn't about Democrats, this is a movement of citizens across America tired of the BS," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/politics/ ... index.html

Wow, that was....a....special.

Did he just voice support for PP?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:24 pm

Donald Trump is George Wallace come again. He should play very well in Alabama.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:32 pm

Holman wrote:Donald Trump is George Wallace come again. He should play very well in Alabama.

Looked like he was.

20K screaming fans cheering at every promise.

edit: Make that 30K

Donald Trump brought 30,000 supporters from deep red Alabama to a Friday night pep rally in a football stadium, the latest sign that the Republican front-runner has broad, nationwide strength.

Over an hour of often rambling remarks, the New York businessman reveled in the crowd size while he offered them his usual menu of patriotic pledges and carefree criticism of the media, his opponents and political correctness that he said his crowd similarly despised.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/politics/ ... index.html

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:20 am

The fact that Trump thinks he can survive the news media reflects the fall of serious journalism. No one is going to say, "Wait a minute, Mr. Trump. You didn't make sense or even try to answer the question." Instead, they're willing to stroke his ego for ratings,

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:49 am

Zarathud wrote:The fact that Trump thinks he can survive the news media reflects the fall of serious journalism. No one is going to say, "Wait a minute, Mr. Trump. You didn't make sense or even try to answer the question." Instead, they're willing to stroke his ego for ratings,

Worse than that: They try to provoke an outburst because they love those sound bites. Nobody cares about his policy positions outside of that context.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:15 pm

He knows the news media only matters to a point.

The news media is already doing its best to mock and ridicule him but his supporters don't really care. It just gives him credibility as an anti-cartel candidate.

When Donald Trump first burst on the political scene two months ago as a presidential candidate, many of the analysts, commentators and pollsters who populate cable news programs, the so called “experts,” claimed it was all a publicity stunt. Then, they said he would never release his financial statements. Then, they said his controversial comments about Mexican illegal immigration, Senator John McCain and Fox News Host Megyn Kelly would doom his campaign. Now, they are saying his lead cannot continue for his support has a “ceiling” and his campaign is a flash in the pan. Unfortunately for the “experts,” they are completely wrong on every one of these issues. Trump is solidifying his lead and is not going away, even though the liberal media and the Republican establishment wishes that he would disappear. Trump is upsetting their plan for the GOP to nominate another moderate candidate, such as former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, and, once again, lose to the Democrats.

These results actually show that Trump is the most electable at the current time. However, a succession of Fox News analysts such as columnist George Will, commentator Charles Krauthammer and consultant Karl Rove have lampooned Trump as either a clown or someone who is too bombastic to be taken seriously. They believe that his tactics and message are actually harmful to the Republican Party and that other candidates are more electable. Once again, it seems the so-called “experts” are wrong and, in fact, the real clowns are the commentators who have been on television too long and live in the Washington D.C. bubble. They are also not objective for George Will’s wife works as a consultant for Governor Walker and Rove, who has a long history of working for the Bush family, is obviously for Jeb Bush.

These analysts are given tremendous coverage because Fox News and other media outlets are opposed to Trump and his message and are trying to destroy his presidential chances. As evidence, examine the Fox News GOP presidential debate. However, despite their bias, the liberal media continues to cover Trump because he is an interesting, colorful, and combative candidate, while his major opponent Jeb Bush is simply boring.

As Trump noted, Bush is a “low energy” candidate while The Donald has plenty of energy, enthusiasm and passion for this country. His campaign slogan says it all, “Make America Great Again.” Unlike Hillary who avoids the media and runs from their questions, Trump is constantly doing media interviews. On Wednesday, he conducted a long news conference before holding a raucous and entertaining town hall meeting in New Hampshire.

His speech in Mobile, Alabama, today may draw the largest crowd of the campaign, bigger than anything that Bush or Clinton could attract. So take note, media and GOP insiders, the Trump political freight train is heading down the track and may go all the way to the White House.

http://canadafreepress.com/article/74701

Fitzy · Post by **Fitzy** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:30 pm

I'm sure the trump stuff is interesting. But 40000 seats in a high school football stadium?

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:40 pm

Fitzy wrote:I'm sure the trump stuff is interesting. But 40000 seats in a high school football stadium?

33.5K seating and it is a college football stadium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ala ... s_football

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:47 pm

Rip wrote:He knows the news media only matters to a point.

The news media is already doing its best to mock and ridicule him but his supporters don't really care. It just gives him credibility as an anti-cartel candidate.

When Donald Trump first burst on the political scene two months ago as a presidential candidate, many of the analysts, commentators and pollsters who populate cable news programs, the so called “experts,” claimed it was all a publicity stunt. Then, they said he would never release his financial statements. Then, they said his controversial comments about Mexican illegal immigration, Senator John McCain and Fox News Host Megyn Kelly would doom his campaign. Now, they are saying his lead cannot continue for his support has a “ceiling” and his campaign is a flash in the pan. Unfortunately for the “experts,” they are completely wrong on every one of these issues. Trump is solidifying his lead and is not going away, even though the liberal media and the Republican establishment wishes that he would disappear. Trump is upsetting their plan for the GOP to nominate another moderate candidate, such as former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, and, once again, lose to the Democrats.

What a load of horse hockey, for two reasons:

1) The implication is that Trump is the only Republican that could win a general election. Nothing could be farther from the truth., and

2) The "liberal media" would like to see Trump out of the race? Seriously? The "liberal Media" (if there is such a thing) would love to see Trump run as either a Republican or a 3rd party spoiler for the same reason the Democrats would.

The problem with the Republican party is it has become like the Democratic party in the 70's, when ideology was more important than electability.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:20 pm

tgb wrote:
Rip wrote:He knows the news media only matters to a point.

The news media is already doing its best to mock and ridicule him but his supporters don't really care. It just gives him credibility as an anti-cartel candidate.

When Donald Trump first burst on the political scene two months ago as a presidential candidate, many of the analysts, commentators and pollsters who populate cable news programs, the so called “experts,” claimed it was all a publicity stunt. Then, they said he would never release his financial statements. Then, they said his controversial comments about Mexican illegal immigration, Senator John McCain and Fox News Host Megyn Kelly would doom his campaign. Now, they are saying his lead cannot continue for his support has a “ceiling” and his campaign is a flash in the pan. Unfortunately for the “experts,” they are completely wrong on every one of these issues. Trump is solidifying his lead and is not going away, even though the liberal media and the Republican establishment wishes that he would disappear. Trump is upsetting their plan for the GOP to nominate another moderate candidate, such as former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, and, once again, lose to the Democrats.
What a load of horse hockey, for two reasons:

1) The implication is that Trump is the only Republican that could win a general election. Nothing could be farther from the truth., and

That may be but no one can win it while giving up the votes he will obviously attract.

2) The "liberal media" would like to see Trump out of the race? Seriously? The "liberal Media" (if there is such a thing) would love to see Trump run as either a Republican or a 3rd party spoiler for the same reason the Democrats would.

The problem with the Republican party is it has become like the Democratic party in the 70's, when ideology was more important than electability.

If that is true why are they all lambasting him, I haven't seen hardly any news people say they support Trump in any way, they write him off as a joke. Yet the numbers are undeniable.

Like him or hate him you have to acknowledge he is the biggest force in the race. He is managing to do this while still coming off to many as an underdog.

I don't really care for him but I'm not about to write him off and if it comes down to him or Hillary I will just swallow hard and give him my vote. He can't do any worse than what we have had or what Hrod would be.

Perhaps the USA needs a little shakeup?

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:24 pm

The press wrote him off as a joke but now they are starting to take him more seriously. Here's just one article as an example:

I posted earlier that people laughed at Reagan too. The fact that Trump might develop a rabid and active following is a little scary.

I forgot I couldn't post a direct URL

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:20 pm

Rip wrote: If that is true why are they all lambasting him, I haven't seen hardly any news people say they support Trump in any way, they write him off as a joke. Yet the numbers are undeniable.

Perhaps they ridicule him because he makes himself ridiculous?

Trump's numbers are based on three things:

1) He's from the television,

2) The right wing's ideology of hating Washington has gone so far that even Washington's own right-wingers now lose to it, and

3) He gives Americans loud and explicit permission to hate foreigners.

Perhaps the USA needs a little shakeup?

But how do we know Trump is crazy, venal, vicious, bigoted, and ridiculous ENOUGH? Maybe we should elect one of his supporters instead.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:40 pm

Rip wrote:I don't really care for him but I'm not about to write him off and if it comes down to him or Hillary I will just swallow hard and give him my vote. He can't do any worse than what we have had or what Hrod would be.

Based upon what? So far, all he's done aside from tapping into some deep wellspring of goober discontent is make a couple of promises anyone with half a brain knows he can't possibly keep. The only difference between Trump and U2K changing the world is Trump has the money to paint his lunacy over a wider canvas.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:51 pm

tgb wrote:
Rip wrote:I don't really care for him but I'm not about to write him off and if it comes down to him or Hillary I will just swallow hard and give him my vote. He can't do any worse than what we have had or what Hrod would be.
Based upon what? So far, all he's done aside from tapping into some deep wellspring of goober discontent is make a couple of promises anyone with half a brain knows he can't possibly keep. The only difference between Trump and U2K changing the world is Trump has the money to paint his lunacy over a wider canvas.

When compared to Hrod doing nothing is a huge upside.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:23 pm

Rip wrote:
tgb wrote:
Rip wrote:I don't really care for him but I'm not about to write him off and if it comes down to him or Hillary I will just swallow hard and give him my vote. He can't do any worse than what we have had or what Hrod would be.
Based upon what? So far, all he's done aside from tapping into some deep wellspring of goober discontent is make a couple of promises anyone with half a brain knows he can't possibly keep. The only difference between Trump and U2K changing the world is Trump has the money to paint his lunacy over a wider canvas.

When compared to Hrod doing nothing is a huge upside.

Can we just fast forward 12 months or something. This is getting ridiculous.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:27 pm

GreenGoo wrote:
Rip wrote:
tgb wrote:
Rip wrote:I don't really care for him but I'm not about to write him off and if it comes down to him or Hillary I will just swallow hard and give him my vote. He can't do any worse than what we have had or what Hrod would be.
Based upon what? So far, all he's done aside from tapping into some deep wellspring of goober discontent is make a couple of promises anyone with half a brain knows he can't possibly keep. The only difference between Trump and U2K changing the world is Trump has the money to paint his lunacy over a wider canvas.

When compared to Hrod doing nothing is a huge upside.
Can we just fast forward 12 months or something. This is getting ridiculous.

12 months? We'll just be hitting Peak Rip.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:59 pm

Holman wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:
Rip wrote:
tgb wrote:
Rip wrote:I don't really care for him but I'm not about to write him off and if it comes down to him or Hillary I will just swallow hard and give him my vote. He can't do any worse than what we have had or what Hrod would be.
Based upon what? So far, all he's done aside from tapping into some deep wellspring of goober discontent is make a couple of promises anyone with half a brain knows he can't possibly keep. The only difference between Trump and U2K changing the world is Trump has the money to paint his lunacy over a wider canvas.

When compared to Hrod doing nothing is a huge upside.
Can we just fast forward 12 months or something. This is getting ridiculous.
12 months? We'll just be hitting Peak Rip.

Yeah, but by then Clinton will be a fading memory. In entirely unrelated news, Joe Biden and Liz Warren are apparently besties now. "Of Clinton supporters polled, half think Biden should run." If he hits the ground with Warren's blessing...watch out.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:24 pm

Kraken wrote:
Holman wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:
Rip wrote:
tgb wrote:
Rip wrote:I don't really care for him but I'm not about to write him off and if it comes down to him or Hillary I will just swallow hard and give him my vote. He can't do any worse than what we have had or what Hrod would be.
Based upon what? So far, all he's done aside from tapping into some deep wellspring of goober discontent is make a couple of promises anyone with half a brain knows he can't possibly keep. The only difference between Trump and U2K changing the world is Trump has the money to paint his lunacy over a wider canvas.

When compared to Hrod doing nothing is a huge upside.
Can we just fast forward 12 months or something. This is getting ridiculous.
12 months? We'll just be hitting Peak Rip.
Yeah, but by then Clinton will be a fading memory. In entirely unrelated news, Joe Biden and Liz Warren are apparently besties now. "Of Clinton supporters polled, half think Biden should run." If he hits the ground with Warren's blessing...watch out.

Screw blessing, she is a running mate made to order.

That would be a formidable ticket.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:43 am

Rip wrote:
Kraken wrote:
Holman wrote:
GreenGoo wrote:
Rip wrote:
tgb wrote:
Rip wrote:I don't really care for him but I'm not about to write him off and if it comes down to him or Hillary I will just swallow hard and give him my vote. He can't do any worse than what we have had or what Hrod would be.
Based upon what? So far, all he's done aside from tapping into some deep wellspring of goober discontent is make a couple of promises anyone with half a brain knows he can't possibly keep. The only difference between Trump and U2K changing the world is Trump has the money to paint his lunacy over a wider canvas.

When compared to Hrod doing nothing is a huge upside.
Can we just fast forward 12 months or something. This is getting ridiculous.
12 months? We'll just be hitting Peak Rip.
Yeah, but by then Clinton will be a fading memory. In entirely unrelated news, Joe Biden and Liz Warren are apparently besties now. "Of Clinton supporters polled, half think Biden should run." If he hits the ground with Warren's blessing...watch out.
Screw blessing, she is a running mate made to order.

That would be a formidable ticket.

Yes it would, although I'd rather see it reversed. Warren won't take the vice presidency unless she thinks it would further her agenda better than her Senate seat...or maybe if she thinks Joe won't last a full term.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:56 am

VP is president of the Senate. She doesn't leave, just gets a better seat.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:33 am

Isgrimnur wrote:VP is president of the Senate. She doesn't leave, just gets a better seat.

Depends on what you want to accomplish. The Veep can't introduce or vote on legislation other than to break a tie, and can't even address the senate without permission.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:18 am

Biden has said that he would step aside after one term. I wonder if Warren might consider four years as second banana if it were actually president-in-waiting. Still having a hard time imagining her taking to the sidelines for four years, though. This meeting was more likely about sounding out Joe's bona fides on her core issues for a potential endorsement.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:36 am

Kraken wrote:Biden has said that he would step aside after one term. I wonder if Warren might consider four years as second banana if it were actually president-in-waiting. Still having a hard time imagining her taking to the sidelines for four years, though. This meeting was more likely about sounding out Joe's bona fides on her core issues for a potential endorsement.

She could set a new precedent for what being a VP is, I think Biden would be onboard with giving here a greatly increased role in order to finish out in the saddle. With Obama still in town running interference and Biden being the reserved allowing the VP to do more of the PR side of things they would be a nightmare for the Republicans.