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YellowKing wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:44 pm What sucks is all the places I want to vacation are red states.

Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:29 pm Spring Break is in two weeks.

Breaking: The Senate has voted to proceed on the American Rescue Plan, 51-50. VP Harris cast the tie-breaking vote.

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:57 pm Not a single Republican Senator voted for this.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 5061824515

Breaking: The Senate has voted to proceed on the American Rescue Plan, 51-50. VP Harris cast the tie-breaking vote.

Under California Welfare and Institutions Code (WIC) 5150, an individual can be placed (involuntarily) to a locked psychiatric facility, for an evaluation for up to 72 hours. Any peace officer or specific individuals authorized by a county government may place the hold. Three criteria apply – the individual is assessed to be: a danger to themselves, a danger to others, or "gravely disabled".

Octavious wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:43 pm All I know is that I could never live in a red state. They finally have things under control and we're rolling out the vaccines and he just says fuck it we can't wait. I'm sure it will be fine though, because everything I've seen the people that don't give a crap seem to be the ones that are fine.

Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:29 pm Spring Break is in two weeks.

Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:46 pm

Under California Welfare and Institutions Code (WIC) 5150, an individual can be placed (involuntarily) to a locked psychiatric facility, for an evaluation for up to 72 hours. Any peace officer or specific individuals authorized by a county government may place the hold. Three criteria apply – the individual is assessed to be: a danger to themselves, a danger to others, or "gravely disabled".

In protest of the bill, which had been expected to pass after a marathon round of votes overnight Thursday, Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., objected to waiving the reading of the legislation.

Two Senate clerks — John Merlino and Mary Anne Clarkson — and some other members of the secretary of the senate’s office are taking shifts reading the bill. The effort, which began at around 3:30 p.m., could last over 15 hours before lawmakers actually begin debating the provisions in the legislation.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said Johnson's stunt would "accomplish little more than a few sore throats for the Senate clerks who work very hard day in, day out to help the Senate function."

Daehawk wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:39 pm GOP Sen. Johnson delays Covid relief bill by forcing all 628 pages be read out loud

POS

In protest of the bill, which had been expected to pass after a marathon round of votes overnight Thursday, Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., objected to waiving the reading of the legislation.

Two Senate clerks — John Merlino and Mary Anne Clarkson — and some other members of the secretary of the senate’s office are taking shifts reading the bill. The effort, which began at around 3:30 p.m., could last over 15 hours before lawmakers actually begin debating the provisions in the legislation.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said Johnson's stunt would "accomplish little more than a few sore throats for the Senate clerks who work very hard day in, day out to help the Senate function."

im sure he wont stay to listen . They should make him read them non stop.

wonderpug wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:18 pm

Octavious wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:43 pm All I know is that I could never live in a red state. They finally have things under control and we're rolling out the vaccines and he just says fuck it we can't wait. I'm sure it will be fine though, because everything I've seen the people that don't give a crap seem to be the ones that are fine.

Given that many of those states would be blue if it weren't for gerrymandering, they're more like blue states enduring red occupation.

The city of Detroit declined its alloted Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine doses this week, and Mayor Mike Duggan doubled down Thursday on his reasoning for sticking with the vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer.

"Johnson & Johnson is a very good vaccine. Moderna and Pfizer are the best," Duggan said in a news conference. "And I am going to do everything I can to make sure that residents of the city of Detroit get the best."

Detroit would have received 6,200 of the J&J one-shot doses, but declined to do so and did not get more Moderna and Pfizer doses to make up for it, according to Bob Wheaton, public information officer in the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. They went to "other health departments that had lower coverage rates for those age 65 years or older," Wheaton wrote in an email.

Detroit got 17,000 first Moderna and Pfizer doses and 12,000 second doses this week for a total of 29,000. That's up from 15,000 a week at the start of February. Duggan expects to get 25,000-30,000 more next week.

"I believe we will have a Moderna and Pfizer vaccine for every Detroiter who wants one. The day may come when we have more Detroiters asking for vaccines than we have Moderna, Pfizer, in which case we'll set up a Johnson & Johnson site ... I don't see that in the next couple weeks," he said. "I'd say for the foreseeable future, I feel confident that we will have a Moderna and Pfizer vaccine for everyone who wants to get vaccinated."

The Detroit Free Press first reported that Detroit had rejected J&J doses.

Compared with the two-dose versions produced by Moderna and Pfizer, the J&J vaccine is less resource-intensive to distribute and administer. It can be stored for months at refrigerated temperatures, rather than frozen, and doesn't require patients to return for a second dose three or four weeks later. That is a positive sign to officials who expect to accelerate vaccine administration across the country.

However, Duggan said the city's vaccine administration system runs smoothly handling two types of two-dose vaccines in one big site at the TCF Center garage downtown. He added that he thinks it's "worth it" for the added protection to do the extra work.

Smoove_B wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:44 pm That is not something I expected to see. This pandemic continues to provide completely unforeseen scenarios.

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:35 pm The problem is comparing the efficacy of Pfizer & Moderna vaccines to J&J isn't quite a fair comparison. As far as I understand it, the J&J trial occurred when many of the variant strains were already circulating broadly. Trials for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, on the other hand, we before these new variants popped up. How well they do against those variants is still not clear, but I'm guessing their efficacy wouldn't be at the currently stated 95%.

malchior wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:44 pm I think there is a more fundamental problem - this a "Tom Nichols" Death of Expertise moment. The experts opinion about all these vaccines being effective are being undercut by a non-expert opinion that undermines the vaccine program.

Remus West wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:28 pm

malchior wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:44 pm I think there is a more fundamental problem - this a "Tom Nichols" Death of Expertise moment. The experts opinion about all these vaccines being effective are being undercut by a non-expert opinion that undermines the vaccine program.

Is that whats happening though? I haven't seen any experts weigh in on the value of one vaccine versus the other. They have simply, as Smoove also says, said they are all effective. How effective compared to each other is unknown. So all people have to judge from if the % and if they can choose, which is the crux of the issue since Dugan said they would have enough for everyone, then why wouldn't you wait a week and get the one that is advertised as "better" %-wise. I understand what you're saying about get a vaccine if one is offered but one that was 95% sounds a lot better than one that is in the 60s so given a choice......95>60>0 is what goes through my head. If I can not get 95 I'd happily get 60 because 0 sucks but if I can get 95 why would I not.

Sadly, I have not been following closely enough to know but I sort of assume they are testing the M and P vaccines against the variants.

Alefroth wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:58 pm

Remus West wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:28 pm

malchior wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:44 pm I think there is a more fundamental problem - this a "Tom Nichols" Death of Expertise moment. The experts opinion about all these vaccines being effective are being undercut by a non-expert opinion that undermines the vaccine program.

Is that whats happening though? I haven't seen any experts weigh in on the value of one vaccine versus the other. They have simply, as Smoove also says, said they are all effective. How effective compared to each other is unknown. So all people have to judge from if the % and if they can choose, which is the crux of the issue since Dugan said they would have enough for everyone, then why wouldn't you wait a week and get the one that is advertised as "better" %-wise. I understand what you're saying about get a vaccine if one is offered but one that was 95% sounds a lot better than one that is in the 60s so given a choice......95>60>0 is what goes through my head. If I can not get 95 I'd happily get 60 because 0 sucks but if I can get 95 why would I not.

Sadly, I have not been following closely enough to know but I sort of assume they are testing the M and P vaccines against the variants.

The point is 95% and 60% are not comparable.

Holman wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:55 pm I wonder what percentage of people getting the first of a two-dose vaccine don't return for the second, or else wait so long to do so that it isn't as effective as planned.

Unagi wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:28 pm

Alefroth wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:58 pm

Remus West wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:28 pm

malchior wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:44 pm I think there is a more fundamental problem - this a "Tom Nichols" Death of Expertise moment. The experts opinion about all these vaccines being effective are being undercut by a non-expert opinion that undermines the vaccine program.

Is that whats happening though? I haven't seen any experts weigh in on the value of one vaccine versus the other. They have simply, as Smoove also says, said they are all effective. How effective compared to each other is unknown. So all people have to judge from if the % and if they can choose, which is the crux of the issue since Dugan said they would have enough for everyone, then why wouldn't you wait a week and get the one that is advertised as "better" %-wise. I understand what you're saying about get a vaccine if one is offered but one that was 95% sounds a lot better than one that is in the 60s so given a choice......95>60>0 is what goes through my head. If I can not get 95 I'd happily get 60 because 0 sucks but if I can get 95 why would I not.

Sadly, I have not been following closely enough to know but I sort of assume they are testing the M and P vaccines against the variants.

The point is 95% and 60% are not comparable.

Exactly.
It’s like getting a 95% in a 5th grade math test, vs the %60 on Calculus III

We’re just sayin’. To abolish mask -wearing laws in some States while the rest of the Nation keeps theirs is like designating a peeing section of the swimming pool.

Smoove_B wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:10 pm Never before has white America been more oppressed than when asked to wear a mask. I hope we can make it through this.

Isgrimnur wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:25 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:10 pm Never before has white America been more oppressed than when asked to wear a mask. I hope we can make it through this.

Fucking white people...