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Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:01 pm**

Live look at the Fox Newsroom.

Sooo, this means that Cohen probably did NDAs for Hannity's sexual assaults that were covered up.

And it means Cohen used the same template as Stormy (because we never use new forms). So those NDAs are about to be shredded in the CA case. I'd say he's sweating right now.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:03 pm**

Jag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:53 pm And Sean Hannity is mystery client the third. You can't make this shit up.

I hope they drag that self righteous scumbag down.

For reals?

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:04 pm**

tgb wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:03 pm
Jag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:53 pm And Sean Hannity is mystery client the third. You can't make this shit up.

I hope they drag that self righteous scumbag down.
For reals?

Politics reporter for The Wall Street Journal. I'm good at weaseling my way to the front of a gaggle. erica.orden@wsj.com

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:20 pm**

El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:44 pm
stessier wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:42 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:38 pm Wasn't Mr. Fed's point that that whole reason for the warrant was that they didn't believe that the subpoena process was viable to preserve the documents?
Yeah, and that is addressed in the letter to the judge. Trump's team says that was the only reason for the warrant and since the risk of losing the documents has passed, it is appropriate to allow him to review them as if they were subpoenaed. I'm not a lawyer, but it actually makes some sense to me. Unfortunately.
If you don't trust the DOJ's taint team (and honestly, you should), the likely remedy is a special master. Especially given that these aren't Trump's documents. They're Cohen's documents, some of which concern Trump. It would be bizarre to give control over the process to a third party to the matter.

And wouldn't letting Trump's team review the documents in this case spoil the attorney-client privilege between Cohen and the other clients? I can't believe that someone who respects attorney-client privilege as much as Trump does would want such a thing to happen.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:26 pm**

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:28 pm**

Shouldn't Broidy be off frightening some schoolchildren in Maine?

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:34 pm**

Fox News at 9 PM EDT is going to be LIT.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:35 pm**

Uh, oh. Hannity was supposed to be the squeaky clean Fox News host, not like O'Reilly at all.

Wonder who Hannity was needing to pay off enough to get Cohen involved.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:35 pm**

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:20 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:44 pm
stessier wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:42 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:38 pm Wasn't Mr. Fed's point that that whole reason for the warrant was that they didn't believe that the subpoena process was viable to preserve the documents?
Yeah, and that is addressed in the letter to the judge. Trump's team says that was the only reason for the warrant and since the risk of losing the documents has passed, it is appropriate to allow him to review them as if they were subpoenaed. I'm not a lawyer, but it actually makes some sense to me. Unfortunately.
If you don't trust the DOJ's taint team (and honestly, you should), the likely remedy is a special master. Especially given that these aren't Trump's documents. They're Cohen's documents, some of which concern Trump. It would be bizarre to give control over the process to a third party to the matter.
And wouldn't letting Trump's team review the documents in this case spoil the attorney-client privilege between Cohen and the other clients? I can't believe that someone who respects attorney-client privilege as much as Trump does would want such a thing to happen.

I believe that the proposed process would first involve Cohen giving Trump any documents that relate to Trump in any way. In so doing they preserve the solemn attorney-client process as to Broidy and Hannity.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:37 pm**

Sepiche wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:35 pm Wonder who Hannity was needing to pay off enough to get Cohen involved.

Trump: Hey Sean, use my guy Cohen for all your sex assault issues, he's the best there is.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:40 pm**

Please let there be tapes....

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:41 pm**

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:52 pm**

Current front page of Fox News:

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:58 pm**

Well, seems like nothing of substance here. We can all move on.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:58 pm**

Isgrimnur wrote:Shouldn't Broidy be off frightening some schoolchildren in Maine?

We all float down here Hannity.

You’ll float too!

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm**

This is so ludicrous. These people.

I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?

Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:06 pm**

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm This is so ludicrous. These people.

I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?

Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.

I didn't know that ACP was transitive.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:06 pm**

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm This is so ludicrous. These people.

I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?

Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.

The most likely explanations appear to be either this, or that Hannity has his own hush money issues and used Cohen for them like Trump and Broidy did.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:07 pm**

Jag wrote:And Sean Hannity is mystery client the third. You can't make this shit up.

I hope they drag that self righteous scumbag down.

Mind. Blown.

Mr. Fed is must read twitter lately.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:13 pm**

It is certainly plausible (as Mr. Fed notes on twitter now) that Cohen is exaggerating his relationship with Hannity because he needs to show *some* client base in order to bolster his argument that he is too acting as a real lawyer.

That said, Cohen's lawyers said that they had discussions with the third client and that he requested that it be kept confidential. Seems that either those statements, or Hannity's statements that there's no attorney-client relationship, are lies.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:15 pm**

link

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:19 pm**

This simulation is practically breaking the 4th wall now. It is stretching our capacity to suspend disbelief...

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:25 pm**

It would be interesting to see what kind of reviews this storyline would get if it were a season of House of Cards.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:35 pm**

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm This is so ludicrous. These people.

I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?

Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.

Hasn't it been shown that Hannity was in communication with Julian Assange? Seems like Cohen might be a nexus point of sorts.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:39 pm**

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:55 pm That is hilarious.

You keep using that word......

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:40 pm**

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm This is so ludicrous. These people.

I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?

Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.

I don't know how that would work with individuals, but if it's with corporations I believe you would need some sort of joint defense agreement that would permit you to communicate under AC privilege. Even then, the privilege would apply only to those communications about the legal issue.

Unless Hannity were being investigated for the same crimes as Trump and they needed to coordinate their legal defense, I don't think this would work.

(I also should remind folks that I'm never 100% sure on these AC privilege issues, particularly with respect to individuals.)

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:40 pm**

This is all getting so weird that I can't even process it anymore.

Maybe that's Trumps plan all along. Make everything such a mess that nobody can sort it out.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:45 pm**

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:40 pm
Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm This is so ludicrous. These people.

I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?

Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.
I don't know how that would work with individuals, but if it's with corporations I believe you would need some sort of joint defense agreement that would permit you to communicate under AC privilege. Even then, the privilege would apply only to those communications about the legal issue.

Unless Hannity were being investigated for the same crimes as Trump and they needed to coordinate their legal defense, I don't think this would work.

(I also should remind folks that I'm never 100% sure on these AC privilege issues, particularly with respect to individuals.)

I'm assuming it's as simple as them somehow believing that having Cohen in the room creates a cone of silence. Or maybe just passing notes through him.

Probably it was Don Jr.'s idea.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:47 pm**

Remus West wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:39 pm
Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:55 pm That is hilarious.
You keep using that word......

I laugh to keep from crying.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:55 pm**

Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:35 pm
Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:03 pm This is so ludicrous. These people.

I wonder. Rather than Hannity needing Cohen's legal advice, maybe the Cohen-Hannity "client" relationship was a fiction to allow Trump to communicate with Hannity (and vice-versa) under a shield of attorney-client privilege? About what?

Way too much coincidence here. Cohen is far too shitty a lawyer to be anyone's straight-up lawyer. There's more to this.
Hasn't it been shown that Hannity was in communication with Julian Assange? Seems like Cohen might be a nexus point of sorts.

Assange was duped by a fake Hannity.... Or was he....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 85496.html

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:06 pm**

Haven't heard anything explicitly on this point, but it sounds like the judge isn't entertaining the ludicrous "let Trump look over all these documents first" proposal.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:47 pm**

So is a special master a win for the Cohen/Trump team? Is it the exact same as a taint team?

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:55 pm**

msteelers wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:47 pm So is a special master a win for the Cohen/Trump team? Is it the exact same as a taint team?

It wouldn't really be a win. My understanding of taint teams is that they do function as neutral professionals (though I'm sure that there must be *some* exceptions), so the output of the special master process (in terms of documents turned over to DOJ investigators) would probably not be substantially different from the output of the DOJ taint team.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:56 pm**

As expected.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:28 pm**

Hey Rip, here's some reverse whataboutism for ya:

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/9 ... 6028388352

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:21 pm**

Rip's fine with any outcome that doesn't involve Hillary Goddamn Clinton in some way. Hillary apparently slapped him when he was a child, or told his friends he had cooties...I don't know. I'll be in my $43,000 dollar cone of silence if anyone needs me.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:42 pm**

(warning. do not take legal advice from Saul)

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:43 pm**

Sean Hannity says he never paid Cohen for services. If true that makes Cohen the most generous attorney in New York, paying $130K in hush money to his client’s lover out of his own pocket & working for Hannity pro bono. The man is a giver.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:04 pm**

Rick Wilson wrote:Just FYI, Fox employs battalions of lawyers for its hosts.

The idea that Hannity (salary $29 million) would go Michael Effing Cohen for free real-estate legal advice is beyond laughable.

I'm really looking forward to learning what this is about.

Posted: **Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:29 pm**

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:04 pm
The idea that Hannity (salary $29 million) would go Michael Effing Cohen for free real-estate legal advice is beyond laughable.

"So if we buy the bitch a condo do you think that would shut her up?"

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