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Max Peck wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:00 pmNonetheless, I can see being told to hold up and not make assumptions vis-à-vis immunity would be bad news to plan-makers who had been making that assumption. Sadly, the ones rushing to reopen everything are already predisposed to ignore the WHO, so they'll likely file it under fake news rather than bad news.

Zaxxon wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:32 pm Thread.

https://twitter.com/cfishman/status/125 ... 53184?s=19

Zaxxon wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:42 pm He links to WaPo in the thread, but I agree his numbers don't match that source across the board. Interesting.

malchior wrote:

Zaxxon wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:42 pm He links to WaPo in the thread, but I agree his numbers don't match that source across the board. Interesting.

I stopped reading almost immediately because he is making basic mistakes. Anyone tracking these numbers for any time would have picked it up in 5 seconds. He is off by like 75K positive cases. It's bizarre.

malchior wrote:Your right I'm looking at today versus his from yesterday. More like 40K depending on your source but still the death count is wacky at best. He seems to be referencing data from multiple sources. It's pretty hard to track. Like I said I didn't really dig in because it is a mess.

Zaxxon wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:57 pm

malchior wrote:Your right I'm looking at today versus his from yesterday. More like 40K depending on your source but still the death count is wacky at best. He seems to be referencing data from multiple sources. It's pretty hard to track. Like I said I didn't really dig in because it is a mess.

Well, zero k per the WaPo. I've largely been watching Worldometers but I don't know that it's fair to assume the WaPo is a bad source. Unless you have a cite that it is.

malchior wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:21 am Our nation is beyond dysfunctional. We knew it coming into this but the GOP has crippled our nation. And they deserve a reckoning. Let's hope the Democrats figure out a way to tell the story.

Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert Wilkie is taking advocacy of an unproven drug for the coronavirus even farther than President Donald Trump, claiming without evidence that it’s safe and that it has been effective for young and middle-aged veterans in particular.

On Friday, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued an alert warning doctors against prescribing the drug for COVID-19 outside of hospitals and research settings because of the risks of serious side effects and death.

WILKIE, on a nationwide study finding that a malaria drug had no benefit for treating COVID-19 among veterans: “That’s an observational study. It’s not a clinical study. It was done on a small number of veterans. Sadly, those of whom were in the last stages of life. And the drug was given to them. And I have to also say that the drug — we know the drug has been working on middle-age and younger veterans ... working in stopping the progression of the disease.” — interview Wednesday on MSNBC.

THE FACTS: He mischaracterized the study’s findings as he delved into an area of speculation by amateurs that his own agency has called “inaccurate and irresponsible.”

Wilkie rejected a study that relies on his department’s own hospital data and finds no benefit from hydroxychloroquine. His claim that it helps younger or middle-aged veterans with COVID-19 is also unsubstantiated.

It’s true that the study, done by independent researchers at two universities with VA approval, was not a rigorous experiment. Yet with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far at hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19, based on VA hospital data.

Researchers analyzed medical records of male veterans hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infection at Veterans Health Administration medical centers who died or were discharged by April 11.

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone.

Even though people given the drug tended to be sicker than the comparison group, researchers statistically adjusted for that and still saw no benefit from the drug.

There is no other published evidence that the drug is safe or effective for younger veterans with COVID-19.

gbasden wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:48 pm I know it is a bad thing, and I know this is showing a dangerous lack of empathy, but at this point I'm ready to have red states throw everything open and see how it goes. If everything is somehow fine, then that's a good data point. If the blood of Jesus somehow *doesn't* protect them, maybe they will start thinking rationally instead of blindly believing cultists and charlatans.

Plans underway to restart the economies of Canadian provinces do not depend on presuming people who become infected with coronavirus develop immunity to it, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Saturday.

The World Health Organization said earlier that there was “no evidence” that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection.

“I don’t believe there are any plans that hinge on certain people being immune to COVID-19,” Trudeau said in his daily briefing in Ottawa, adding that provincial plans focus on preventing the spread through social distancing and protective equipment in workplaces.

“(Immunity) is something we need to get clearer answers to and until we have those clear answers, we need to err on the side of more caution.”

Some 80% of Canada’s cases are in Quebec and Ontario, where there are numerous outbreaks in nursing homes.

Even so, a small protest outside the Ontario legislature on Saturday demanded the easing of public health measures.

“It’s irresponsible, reckless and it’s selfish,” Premier Doug Ford said of the call to loosen restrictions, speaking at a briefing. “It burns me up.”

gbasden wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:48 pm I know it is a bad thing, and I know this is showing a dangerous lack of empathy, but at this point I'm ready to have red states throw everything open and see how it goes. If everything is somehow fine, then that's a good data point. If the blood of Jesus somehow *doesn't* protect them, maybe they will start thinking rationally instead of blindly believing cultists and charlatans.

Holman wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:17 pm

gbasden wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:48 pm I know it is a bad thing, and I know this is showing a dangerous lack of empathy, but at this point I'm ready to have red states throw everything open and see how it goes. If everything is somehow fine, then that's a good data point. If the blood of Jesus somehow *doesn't* protect them, maybe they will start thinking rationally instead of blindly believing cultists and charlatans.

A whole lot of Blue people live in Red states, though. In all of their cities, especially.

Smoove_B wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:01 pm Lord help us if it's an American company and Trump is still in office.

The Church of God in Christ, the country’s biggest African American Pentecostal denomination, has taken a deep and painful leadership hit with reports of at least a dozen to up to 30 bishops and prominent clergy dying of covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

Officials from the denomination did not return requests for comment, but media reports and interviews with experts who study the denomination show the deaths of leaders in states including Michigan, New York and Mississippi. Those are regions where the Church of God in Christ is prominent and the coronavirus has hit hard.

We are not all in this together.....most of you posting on social media are sick and immunocompromised...my friends and I are healthy and ready to get back to work and life!!!!!!! Stop asking me to stay at home because a very very small fraction of you may get sick and die!!!!!!!

Skinypupy wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:38 pm Posted tonight by now only the second person I've ever felt the need to cut entirely from my social media life. Sadly, a good friend and college teammate.

We are not all in this together.....most of you posting on social media are sick and immunocompromised...my friends and I are healthy and ready to get back to work and life!!!!!!! Stop asking me to stay at home because a very very small fraction of you may get sick and die!!!!!!!

These people are fucking insane.

gameoverman wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:31 am

Skinypupy wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:38 pm Posted tonight by now only the second person I've ever felt the need to cut entirely from my social media life. Sadly, a good friend and college teammate.

We are not all in this together.....most of you posting on social media are sick and immunocompromised...my friends and I are healthy and ready to get back to work and life!!!!!!! Stop asking me to stay at home because a very very small fraction of you may get sick and die!!!!!!!

These people are fucking insane.

Wow, that's a nasty way to go through life. EVERYONE is ready to get back to their life, do these idiots really think they are special in that regard? It reminds me of a relative who is constantly whining about how he's going crazy from this lockdown as if the person he's talking to is having the time of their life with things being the way they are. And the worst part is he's not going crazy. He's still getting paid to work from home, and he still goes out to the market/for takeout, or to drive around to where ever some place is open. How can you complain about being locked in when you aren't locked in?

I hope the 'my friends and I are healthy' person stays healthy. I'm sure it won't feel pleasant if the day comes that they wake up to discover they are no longer one of the healthy people but instead are one of the vulnerable ones that their friends no longer care about.

El Guapo wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:34 am

gameoverman wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:31 am

Skinypupy wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:38 pm Posted tonight by now only the second person I've ever felt the need to cut entirely from my social media life. Sadly, a good friend and college teammate.

We are not all in this together.....most of you posting on social media are sick and immunocompromised...my friends and I are healthy and ready to get back to work and life!!!!!!! Stop asking me to stay at home because a very very small fraction of you may get sick and die!!!!!!!

These people are fucking insane.

Wow, that's a nasty way to go through life. EVERYONE is ready to get back to their life, do these idiots really think they are special in that regard? It reminds me of a relative who is constantly whining about how he's going crazy from this lockdown as if the person he's talking to is having the time of their life with things being the way they are. And the worst part is he's not going crazy. He's still getting paid to work from home, and he still goes out to the market/for takeout, or to drive around to where ever some place is open. How can you complain about being locked in when you aren't locked in?

I hope the 'my friends and I are healthy' person stays healthy. I'm sure it won't feel pleasant if the day comes that they wake up to discover they are no longer one of the healthy people but instead are one of the vulnerable ones that their friends no longer care about.

That's one direction that this stuff is going in Trumpworld. Cornyn the other day posted about all the co-morbidities of people who died from coronavirus - 55% were obese, 37% had diabetes (not sure the %s, something like that). The point is that they're trying to say that the people dying from coronavirus are mostly dying because of bad life choices they made. So why should we all be held up to save the weak and stupid?

Around 80% of Americans agree that the strict measures protect people from the virus and help limit its spread, according to the latest Kaiser Family Foundation Health Tracking Poll.

malchior wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:16 am Meat supply chain breaking according to Tyson. FWIW, the troubles seen at meat packing plants have been widespread in the chemical contract manufacturing industry in NJ. My wife's factory (manufacturer of soaps/shampoos/deodorants) is hard hit and many of their peers have been sharing information about how to deal with labor shortages. Right now they are in a 2nd wave of workers who are largely displaced landscape workers but as the weather warms it is expected they'll want to return to those jobs as they are seen as safer.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:19 am

malchior wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:16 am Meat supply chain breaking according to Tyson. FWIW, the troubles seen at meat packing plants have been widespread in the chemical contract manufacturing industry in NJ. My wife's factory (manufacturer of soaps/shampoos/deodorants) is hard hit and many of their peers have been sharing information about how to deal with labor shortages. Right now they are in a 2nd wave of workers who are largely displaced landscape workers but as the weather warms it is expected they'll want to return to those jobs as they are seen as safer.

It's fine, we closed the borders so Americans can take back these coveted jobs.

malchior wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:16 am Meat supply chain breaking according to Tyson.

Paingod wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:27 am

malchior wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:16 am Meat supply chain breaking according to Tyson.

As a vegetarian it doesn't bother me too much if the "meat economy" collapses, but it leaves me concerned for the other more efficient and eco-friendly food makers and how they're holding up.

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:12 am Wow...that video is awesome and that reporter deserves an award for being there to document it.

YellowKing wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:34 am Getting some good news out of NC, at least locally. Our regional COVID cases have been declining since early April, to the point now that they're going to start opening back up limited diagnostics and elective surgeries that had previously been put on hold. This is great news, as our hospital has already lost millions and the quicker we can get some income coming in the better.

I've been very happy with Governor Cooper's response to this. His early shutdown aggressively flattened the curve, but he's taken a very cautious and methodical approach to the re-opening plan.

Coronavirus Pandemic Pushes Cuomo to Record High Ratings; Voters Trust Cuomo over Trump on NY Reopening 78-16%.