Octopus Overlords

Little Raven wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:01 pm

Kasey Chang wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:27 pmIt's only in the Western countries like US, UK, Australia, and some parts of EU that have antivaxxers, who, as my late grandma used to say, "stomach full, brain empty" and needed something to amuse themselves.

Pakistan would like a word.

The sad truth is, anywhere you find vaccines, you find people with doubts about them. But frankly, in most of the world you're not going to get a vaccine unless you really, REALLY go looking for it, so anti-vaxxers only stand out as a group in Western countries.

The person reportedly visited several vaccination centers in Auckland and received the Covid-19 vaccine several times on behalf of other people who paid for the “service”. He was able to accomplish this because, in order to get the shot, someone only needs to provide the health care worker with their name, date of birth and physical address. No photo identification is required.

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:14 pm

California announces statewide mask mandate beginning Dec 15

Kraken wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:54 pm Hoping Mass. won't be far behind. Baker is getting that advice, and as a lame duck he's free to do the right thing.

Kasey Chang wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:43 pm In other WTF vaccine related news...

New Zealand man found to be a vaccine ringer, takes 10 COVID vax for other people... on the same day, for money.

The person reportedly visited several vaccination centers in Auckland and received the Covid-19 vaccine several times on behalf of other people who paid for the “service”. He was able to accomplish this because, in order to get the shot, someone only needs to provide the health care worker with their name, date of birth and physical address. No photo identification is required.

Keith Smith, whose wife had gone to court to have his COVID-19 infection treated with ivermectin, died Sunday evening, a week after he received his first dose of the controversial drug.

He was 52.

Smith was in a hospital in Pennsylvania for nearly three weeks and had been in the hospital’s intensive care unit in a medically induced coma on a ventilator since Nov. 21. He had been diagnosed with the virus on Nov. 10.
...
York County Court Judge Clyde Vedder’s Dec. 3 decision did not compel the hospital to treat Keith with the drug, but it did allow Darla to have an independent physician administer it. He received two doses before Keith’s condition grew worse, and the doctor halted the treatment.

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:57 pm

Kraken wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:54 pm Hoping Mass. won't be far behind. Baker is getting that advice, and as a lame duck he's free to do the right thing.

MA was a state I was specifically seeing named as one that was being told (allegedly) by Zients not to worry about masking and instead to push vaccination and boosters.

“Five million people are fully vaccinated, 1.5 million of those people have received booster shots, and another million people have at least one dose,” Baker said during a news conference when asked if the state is considering mandating masks to help curb the spread of the virus ahead of the holidays. “The fundamentally best and most important way for people to keep themselves and their family members safe is to get vaccinated.”

There are mask mandates in place in individual cities and towns but the statewide mandate was lifted back in May.

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:14 pm California, once again, leading the response.

https://twitter.com/youngsamantha/statu ... 6662155265

California announces statewide mask mandate beginning Dec 15

Kraken wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:15 pm And Charlie says

Kraken wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:15 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:57 pm

Kraken wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:54 pm Hoping Mass. won't be far behind. Baker is getting that advice, and as a lame duck he's free to do the right thing.

MA was a state I was specifically seeing named as one that was being told (allegedly) by Zients not to worry about masking and instead to push vaccination and boosters.

And Charlie says no mask mandate.

“Five million people are fully vaccinated, 1.5 million of those people have received booster shots, and another million people have at least one dose,” Baker said during a news conference when asked if the state is considering mandating masks to help curb the spread of the virus ahead of the holidays. “The fundamentally best and most important way for people to keep themselves and their family members safe is to get vaccinated.”

There are mask mandates in place in individual cities and towns but the statewide mandate was lifted back in May.

For context, the population of MA is about 7 million.

ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:30 am

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:14 pm California, once again, leading the response.

https://twitter.com/youngsamantha/statu ... 6662155265

California announces statewide mask mandate beginning Dec 15

If by leading you mean following in the footsteps of Illinois (and HI, NV, NM, OR and WA), then California is in the front! Just because we're flyover country doesn't mean Illinois' still-existing mask mandate doesn't count! (I suspect it's largely ignored outside of Chicago and the collar counties, of course.)

ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:30 am (I suspect it's largely ignored outside of Chicago and the collar counties, of course.)

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:23 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:30 am (I suspect it's largely ignored outside of Chicago and the collar counties, of course.)

I can tell you it's about 60% ignored in Bollingbrook, if the Bass Pro there is any indication.

malchior wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:31 pm

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:02 am

malchior wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:31 pm

Which one are you reacting to?

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:07 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:02 am

malchior wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:31 pm

Which one are you reacting to?

Both? Though the second probably encourages people to come to work sick more.

In the absence of a vaccination program, there would have been approximately 1.1 million additional COVID-19 deaths and more than 10.3 million additional COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. by November 2021.
Without the U.S. vaccination program, COVID-19 deaths would have been approximately 3.2 times higher and COVID-19 hospitalizations approximately 4.9 times higher than the actual toll during 2021.
If no one had been vaccinated, daily deaths from COVID-19 could have jumped to as high as 21,000 per day — nearly 5.2 times the level of the record peak of more than 4,000 deaths per day recorded in January 2021.

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:04 am

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:07 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:02 am

malchior wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:31 pm

Which one are you reacting to?

Both? Though the second probably encourages people to come to work sick more.

I fully support the Kroger plan as long as you have required testing for unvaccinated people and anyone showing any symptoms has to show a negative test.

Profootball Talk wrote: Cleveland announced on Wednesday morning that Stefanski has tested positive for COVID-19.

According to the Browns’ announcement, Stefanski is not only fully vaccinated, but has also received a booster shot. Cleveland says Stefanski is feeling fine and will continue his head coaching duties virtually.

Stefanski missed Cleveland’s postseason victory over Pittsburgh in the Wild Card round last year after testing positive for COVID-19.

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:04 am and anyone showing any symptoms has to show a negative test.

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:22 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:04 am

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:07 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:02 am

malchior wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:31 pm

Which one are you reacting to?

Both? Though the second probably encourages people to come to work sick more.

I fully support the Kroger plan as long as you have required testing for unvaccinated people and anyone showing any symptoms has to show a negative test.

I can't help but shake the feeling it is fairly 'gappy' as a solution. But nothing is perfect. And in fairness to Kroger's they probably have enough non-compliance that they can't start laying people off and operate. It's a tough situation to be sure. I don't have Kroger's here but personally I wouldn't be shopping there with this sort of policy in place.

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:22 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:04 am

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:07 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:02 am

malchior wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:31 pm

Which one are you reacting to?

Both? Though the second probably encourages people to come to work sick more.

I fully support the Kroger plan as long as you have required testing for unvaccinated people and anyone showing any symptoms has to show a negative test.

I can't help but shake the feeling it is fairly 'gappy' as a solution. But nothing is perfect. And in fairness to Kroger's they probably have enough non-compliance that they can't start laying people off and operate. It's a tough situation to be sure. I don't have Kroger's here but personally I wouldn't be shopping there with this sort of policy in place.

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:27 am

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:22 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:04 am

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:07 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:02 am

malchior wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:31 pm

Which one are you reacting to?

Both? Though the second probably encourages people to come to work sick more.

I fully support the Kroger plan as long as you have required testing for unvaccinated people and anyone showing any symptoms has to show a negative test.

I can't help but shake the feeling it is fairly 'gappy' as a solution. But nothing is perfect. And in fairness to Kroger's they probably have enough non-compliance that they can't start laying people off and operate. It's a tough situation to be sure. I don't have Kroger's here but personally I wouldn't be shopping there with this sort of policy in place.

What do you mean by "gappy"? The only change to the current system is unvaccinated people feel an economic penalty for being sick. They have a free way to avoid the penalty. Seems downright capitalistic.

Blackhawk wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:22 am I still think popular media (film and TV, not the news) is partly to 'blame' here. We've spent decades learning that a vaccine is the off button for a disease. It's developed, and the credits roll.

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:34 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:27 am

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:22 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:04 am

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:07 am

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:02 am

malchior wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:31 pm

Which one are you reacting to?

Both? Though the second probably encourages people to come to work sick more.

I fully support the Kroger plan as long as you have required testing for unvaccinated people and anyone showing any symptoms has to show a negative test.

I can't help but shake the feeling it is fairly 'gappy' as a solution. But nothing is perfect. And in fairness to Kroger's they probably have enough non-compliance that they can't start laying people off and operate. It's a tough situation to be sure. I don't have Kroger's here but personally I wouldn't be shopping there with this sort of policy in place.

What do you mean by "gappy"? The only change to the current system is unvaccinated people feel an economic penalty for being sick. They have a free way to avoid the penalty. Seems downright capitalistic.

Gappy in the sense that AFAIK once a week testing on unvaccinated people is an insufficient control when masking is optional or worse. Sick people who mask symptoms will also get past the screen and now they are incentivized to report to work.

stessier wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:39 amI never said weekly testing - I personally think it should be a rapid test before every shift at the unvaccinated's expense.

The company said it will also begin charging a $50 monthly fee to unvaccinated salaried workers and managers who are enrolled in a company health care plan. Unionized workers and non-union hourly workers won’t be charged that fee.

Kroger(s) has nearly 500,000 employees in the U.S.; 66% belong to a union. The company won’t say what percent of its workers are vaccinated.

malchior wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:44 am For me, I'll probably sound like a broken record but it comes down to people are bad at understanding risk. I don't blame movies because I see this in my everyday across many areas. People naturally gravitate towards protections being 100% effective. Otherwise they aren't worth the effort and become useless. It's in my experience a real phenomena. The risk math often seemingly slams back and forth between black/white points.

Police in Germany's eastern state of Saxony have launched a series of raids after death threats were made against Premier Michael Kretschmer for backing coronavirus measures.

Far-right anti-vaccination activists are suspected of plotting violence with crossbows or other "piercing weapons".

Saxony has the lowest Covid vaccine take-up in Germany.

...

Police in Saxony said security forces including the special Soko Rex anti-extremist unit were raiding a number of locations, in response to the threats made against the state premier highlighted by a German TV documentary a week ago.

The plot against Mr Kretschmer was first exposed by the Frontal programme whose journalists had infiltrated a group of some 100 people communicating via the Telegram messaging app.

Calling themselves Dresden Online Networking, members would discuss ideas and even meet up in parks, public broadcaster ZDF reported. The programme monitored one conversation in which one man spoke of being armed and ready.

Police said statements had been made on plans to kill the state premier as well as other state representatives.