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Fitzy wrote:

Rip wrote:

hepcat wrote:You're not really sure what "foreboding' means, are you?

Actually I do. No doubt you are surprised by my belief that it is a "dark" event.

You just have to realize that I see it that way not because of Trump himself but do to the inevitable meltdown and so many libtards that will be determined to see it answered with destruction, violence, and as much chaos as they can create.

If there is one thing you can count on from them is that they will become anarchists the second they realize they won't get their way. I don't relish in it but have accepted that it is inevitable.

We survived 6 years of Republicans doing exactly that to Obama, why would Trump be any worse?

I must have missed the riots.

When Trump gets elected there will be defacto riots by those who are butthurt. Think the anti-Trump protests times hundreds.

You need to listen more to what Trump supporters are saying will happen if Trump is "robbed" (read: loses). There's a reason the KKK endorses him.



p.s. not a single soul here buys into your protestations that you're not a Trump supporter.

Indiana already being called for Trump!

This seems to really dampen the chances of a contested convention. It looks like Trump vs. Clinton, wow what a world we live in.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/03/donald-tru ... -drop-out/

"Hoosier Daddy!"

It is worth immanentizing the Trumpeschaton just for that front page.

Enough wrote:It looks like Trump vs. Clinton, wow what a world we live in.

Just saw a tweet that Cruz is about to announce the end of his campaign. Trump it is.

I can't even be happy that Ted Cruz is defeated.

RunningMn9 wrote:I can't even be happy that Ted Cruz is defeated.

Same feeling here. We are witnessing history...too bad it is mounting disaster.

If Trump wins, we're the laughingstocks of the world for a few years, no one sees an ounce of improvement in any area, and he's out after 4. After that the GOP licks its wounds for a few democratic presidential terms while it tries to understand how a lying sociopath screwed them over. Hopefully it learns from this debacle and comes out the other end wiser and better.

All the sane folks need to do is weather the storm.

RunningMn9 wrote:I can't even be happy that Ted Cruz is defeated.

I am, with relish.

hepcat wrote:If Trump wins, we're the laughingstocks of the world for a few years, no one sees an ounce of improvement in any area, and he's out after 4. After that the GOP licks its wounds for a few democratic presidential terms while it tries to understand how a lying sociopath screwed them over. Hopefully it learns from this debacle and comes out the other end wiser and better.

All the sane folks need to do is weather the storm.

Remember how pissed I was at Republicans a year or so ago? Trump is the manifestation of that anger. This is purely punishment for not listening to a huge segment of their base. This isn't about like for Trump but tearing down the walls of the Republican establishment.

Plus Cruz looks like the grampa from the Munsters.

Is this the point where we start referring to Hillary as Madam President or does that not begin until after the Republican convention makes it official? Then again, with Reince Priebus' accepting tweets tonight, maybe that's a distinction without a difference.

I will never forgive Donald Trump for putting me in a position where I feel forced to root for Ted Cruz.


The primaries were fun. Hopefully the general election can provide as much entertainment.







We're all doomed.

It's too bad Republican anger couldn't have coalesced around someone who was sane and qualified (are those two mutually exclusive?). I'm perfectly fine with upending the establishment. I've obviously grown more and more disillusioned with the Republican party due to their social stances, and Trump is going to be a complete rebuttal of evangelical social conservatism.

But man, look at what a devil's bargain this is. In exchange for that we get an unqualified, insanely egocentric used car salesman whose entire life is built around exaggeration to promote his own self-interests and bullying to tear his enemies down.

Maybe this is the catalyst for change the party needed and some good would come out of it down the road, but the idea that the host of Celebrity Apprentice could be running the most powerful nation on earth terrifies me. He can't even run his own reality show.

malchior wrote:

RunningMn9 wrote:I can't even be happy that Ted Cruz is defeated.

Same feeling here. We are witnessing history...too bad it is mounting disaster.

When Ted Cruz was your lifeline, you're screwed.

Hold me...

YellowKing wrote:
Maybe this is the catalyst for change the party needed and some good would come out of it down the road,

The Republican Party will not easily survive this disturbance in the force. Soon it must either fall into line behind Trump or split into loyalists and conscientious objectors.

YellowKing wrote:I'm perfectly fine with upending the establishment.

Clearly you aren't.

This is what upending the establishment looks like. Rather than pulling the rip cord and finding out that you strapped on a backpack instead of a parachute is no way to go about things. It's childish. That's what's so offensive about the Trump supporters that are in the "burn it all down" camp. There is no regard to consequence or what to do when they're burning to death with the rest of it. It's what children do in the throws of a temper tantrum.

What I hope that you meant to say (since you don't come across like the true believers in upending the establishment), is that you are perfectly fine with FIXING / CHANGING the Establishment. On the one hand, it seems so impossible, right? On the other hand - this version of the Establishment is such a recent phenomenon that the lesson should be that OF COURSE we can reasonably change the composition of the Establishment. This isn't the party of Lincoln. Shit, this isn't even the party of Reagan anymore.

In other words, you aren't a Republican anymore, not by its current definition. Welcome to my boat.

I would be totally comfortable in the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and even Reagan. But the changes that began in the 60s and accelerated with the Republican Revolution in 1994...that's not me anymore. Sounds like it's not you either.

Yeah, I was thinking more of a "flip the table to get my point across, then we'll pick up the pieces and play by the correct rules." Not "flip the table, then set the house on fire."

YellowKing wrote:Yeah, I was thinking more of a "flip the table to get my point across, then we'll pick up the pieces and play by the correct rules." Not "flip the table, then set the house on fire."

And you have to remember the real problem for you. You are really unhappy with the Republican Establishment. Trump supporters are really unhappy with the Republican Establishment. But you are both unhappy for *very* different reasons. My interest now is in protecting an Establishment that I think is mediocre on its absolutely best day - because these idiots brought their flamethrowers - what they would replace it with is to me a devastating turn of events for this country. I loathe Hillary Clinton. I will donate to and campaign for her if I think it will help stop this idiot and his mob with their misdirected pitchforks.

I get the rage with the establishment, but I'm still amazed that this was the guy who the voters embraced to lead the fight against it-- a godless obscenely wealthy New York aristocrat who, until recently, was a Democrat espousing liberal positions. I guess it just shows that it was never so much about conservative principles or religious conviction, but rather wanting an authoritarian strongman who'll relentlessly and without apology go after perceived enemies. A guy who'll tell people they're getting fucked and that he'll fuck those who they think are fucking them.

Or something. I guess I'm really just struggling to understand what the hell is happening.

RunningMn9 wrote:In other words, you aren't a Republican anymore, not by its current definition. Welcome to my boat.

I would be totally comfortable in the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and even Reagan. But the changes that began in the 60s and accelerated with the Republican Revolution in 1994...that's not me anymore. Sounds like it's not you either.

Welcome to the party. Some of us came to this realization over 15 years ago.

The #NeverTrump exodus to Clinton has begun.

It's bad news for the GOP nominee when they are losing Red State editors to the presumptive democratic nominee.

YellowKing wrote:Trump is going to be a complete rebuttal of evangelical social conservatism.

That can only be a good thing.

From nymag.com:

Whatever abstract arguments for conservative policy — and these arguments exist, and a great many people subscribe to them earnestly — on the ground, Republican politics boils down to ethno-nationalistic passions ungoverned by reason. Once a figure has been accepted as a friendly member of their tribe, there is no level of absurdity to which he can stoop that would discredit him. And since reason cannot penetrate the crude tribalism that animates Republicans, it follows that nothing President Obama could have proposed on economic stimulus, health care, or deficits could have avoided the paroxysms of rage that faced him.

The paranoid mendacity of Joe McCarthy, the racial pandering of Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, and George Bush, the jingoism and anti-intellectualism of Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and Sarah Palin — all these forces have embodied the essence of American conservative politics as it is actually practiced (rather than as conservative intellectuals like to imagine it). Trump has finally turned that which was always there against itself.

Captain Caveman wrote:...a godless obscenely wealthy New York aristocrat

hey, that's my definition of The Great Satan!

Captain Caveman wrote:...authoritarian strongman who'll relentlessly and without apology go after perceived enemies. A guy who'll tell people they're getting fucked and that he'll fuck those who they think are fucking them.

...and he'll do it for free - foregoing his presidential salary.

Freedom - the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint; also, the absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government; also, the state of not being imprisoned or enslaved.
By definition Donald Trump is the very epitome of freedom.

gbasden wrote:From nymag.com:

Whatever abstract arguments for conservative policy — and these arguments exist, and a great many people subscribe to them earnestly — on the ground, Republican politics boils down to ethno-nationalistic passions ungoverned by reason. Once a figure has been accepted as a friendly member of their tribe, there is no level of absurdity to which he can stoop that would discredit him. And since reason cannot penetrate the crude tribalism that animates Republicans, it follows that nothing President Obama could have proposed on economic stimulus, health care, or deficits could have avoided the paroxysms of rage that faced him.

The paranoid mendacity of Joe McCarthy, the racial pandering of Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, and George Bush, the jingoism and anti-intellectualism of Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and Sarah Palin — all these forces have embodied the essence of American conservative politics as it is actually practiced (rather than as conservative intellectuals like to imagine it). Trump has finally turned that which was always there against itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKdUsJU-cQ0 Yep, we're all a bunch of Warden's from the Shawshank Redemption, we're gonna cast you down with the sodomites in Detroit, have us a little book bbq in the capital rotunda with all your intellectual propaganda, they'll see the flames for miles, we'll dance around it like wild Indians. LMAO

Zarathud wrote:Welcome to the party. Some of us came to this realization over 15 years ago.

Presumably because we are different people, at different spots on the political spectrum.

In response to Trump's nomination, I'll just re-post something from back in January:

Holman wrote:

Grifman wrote:Trump scares me. Not because he's Trump, but because of what his popularity says about the American people, or at least a large segment of them. Not to Godwinize the thread, but now I see how a Hitler like authoritarian figure could come to power in the US.

[...]

Now, I'm not saying Trump is another Hitler, not by any means close. But it is interesting and sad, how closely his political campaign is similar. I think it shows that a large segment of Americans are willing to forget and compromise this country's fundamental principles if they can find someone who can channel their anger and frustration. That's the real scary thing about Trump's candidacy.

+1 to the whole post.

Trump is partly a clown, and it's possible (I don't want to bet the country on it) that the complexities of the presidency would put him off his stated goals. But still: Trump entered politics with racist conspiracy fantasies about Obama, he launched his campaign with racist conspiracy fantasies about Latinos, he has all but declared all Muslims our national enemy, and he tailors his candidacy exclusively to white Americans fearful of foreigners and looking for a strong man to hit them. A billionaire maverick hoping to shake up the GOP could have chosen another appeal, but Trump picked this one, and he has stuck to it even against pushback.

It's awful that Trump's appeal to nativism, jingoism, racism, and domestic bullying has succeeded with so many Americans. Even if a President Trump failed to follow through on the hard work of authoritarianism, other politicians are definitely watching. They'll be trying to out-Donald the Donald in future election cycles. If Trump wins 2016, the Republican representatives of 2018 will make him look like a moderate.

I don't think many of us want to see the GOP become America's 21st-century white nationalist party, but that's what a Trump victory threatens to make of it.

Harrasment I expect we will see MUCH more of these types of ads in the coming months.

em2nought wrote:we'll dance around it like wild Indians. LMAO

I'm impressed you tossed in proof of the article's point. Good job.

That "intellectual" is now a bad thing for some people tells me all I need to know about them.

hepcat wrote:That "intellectusl " is now a bad thing for some people tells me all I need to know about them.

Nice typo.

hepcat wrote:That "intellectusl " is now a bad thing for some people tells me all I need to know about them.

That one goes way back. Ike beat Adlai Stevenson in part because he was perceived as an "Ivy League intellectual".

Now that he's won the nom any bets on who he chooses for VP? My guess is either Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich. If he was smart he would choose Marco Rubio as an Olive Branch to the Never Trump GOP

tru1cy wrote:Now that he's won the nom any bets on who he chooses for VP? My guess is either Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich. If he was smart he would choose Marco Rubio as an Olive Branch to the Never Trump GOP

And to try and help with the Hispanic community. That would be a very good VP pick.

msteelers wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Now that he's won the nom any bets on who he chooses for VP? My guess is either Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich. If he was smart he would choose Marco Rubio as an Olive Branch to the Never Trump GOP

And to try and help with the Hispanic community. That would be a very good VP pick.

Though you could chop together an attack ad full of harsh Rubio quotes on Trump ("He's a con man") pretty quickly.

Also, the Hispanic vote is a long lost cause for a Trump ticket, no matter who his VP is.

My money is on Gingrich.

El Guapo wrote:

msteelers wrote:

tru1cy wrote:Now that he's won the nom any bets on who he chooses for VP? My guess is either Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich. If he was smart he would choose Marco Rubio as an Olive Branch to the Never Trump GOP

And to try and help with the Hispanic community. That would be a very good VP pick.

Though you could chop together an attack ad full of harsh Rubio quotes on Trump ("He's a con man") pretty quickly.

Also, the Hispanic vote is a long lost cause for a Trump ticket, no matter who his VP is.

My money is on Gingrich.

Hasn't it become clear that the American voter isn't interested in reasoning or facts?