Election integrity and the transfer of power

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:35 am

malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:15 amEdit: Another interesting note - there are reports that Trump is banning Pence staffers from the WH grounds.

Confirmed.

https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/statu ... 4054309888

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:44 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkBurnettD ... 8188514317

According to the DC police chief three other people died at the US Capitol complex today. That brings the total to four.

No details though.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:52 am

Skinypupy wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:44 am https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkBurnettD ... 8188514317

According to the DC police chief three other people died at the US Capitol complex today. That brings the total to four.
No details though.

I saw them described as medical emergencies.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:56 am

Probably not meaningful, then. Any time you get a lot of people together, you get a few deaths....cause math.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:58 am

People were willing to throw our democracy away for *this guy*. <Shakes head>. What fucking morons.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/13 ... 64320?s=20

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:58 am

I saw them described as medical emergencies.

Bullet holes tend to cause those.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:12 am

I know 5+ people were said to have been taken to hospital, including one that fell while scaling the wall, and one from a heart attack.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:16 am

Scott Perry from the House and Hawley objected to PA. This is preposterous. Up to another 2 hours of debate and a long vote cycle.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:16 am

malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:52 am
Skinypupy wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:44 am https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkBurnettD ... 8188514317

According to the DC police chief three other people died at the US Capitol complex today. That brings the total to four.
No details though.
I saw them described as medical emergencies.

With the possible exception of dying of old age, wouldn't that describe pretty much all deaths?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:18 am

Defiant wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:16 am
malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:52 am
Skinypupy wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:44 am https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkBurnettD ... 8188514317

According to the DC police chief three other people died at the US Capitol complex today. That brings the total to four.
No details though.
I saw them described as medical emergencies.
With the possible exception of dying of old age, wouldn't that describe pretty much all deaths?

That was what the Chief of the Capitol Police called them. I guess to distinguish them from the woman gunned down for being a seditionist moron.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:20 am

In all seriousness, maybe you can't expel all these insurrectionists in the House but they should be able to dump Hawley and Cruz. Everyone would probably be happy to do it. We need someone to send a strong message.

Meanwhile, Trump's cabinet is silent. Only a Deputy Press Secretary and Melania's Chief of Staff resigned. What is happening in the WH? We have another 13 days where Trump will continue to attack our democracy. This Electoral College stuff is just ridiculous in this context.

I've been reading news accounts from other countries and it is surreal. People elsewhere don't understand how this is happening and essentially are confused because nothing is being done to stop Trump. For us, we're all trapped in a national mad house in an extremely precarious position and everyone everywhere is beginning to hold their breath hoping the moment passes peacefully.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:31 am

Other countries would just shoot everyone and hang the bastard.

Combustible Lemur · Post by **Combustible Lemur** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:38 am

Daehawk wrote:Other countries would just shoot everyone and hang the bastard.

Mmm Would they though? The recent global trend has been towards authoritarianism not away. In other countries, he'd have his goons start shooting us, hang some key democrats and news personalities, and consolidate power. We are fortunate both, he is stupid and enough elected republicans have too much to lose from his capricious nature. They clearly dont give a fuck about democracy. (with some exceptions)

: and our military with some notable exceptions is an institution that has held strong in its constitutional boundaries.

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Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:38 am

malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:20 am
Meanwhile, Trump's cabinet is silent. Only a Deputy Press Secretary and Melania's Chief of Staff resigned. What is happening in the WH?

If they're seriously talking about invoking 25, I'd rather they *not* resign.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:44 am

So is Pence allowed to pick up his CD collection from the WH? I hear he has some killer Christian Rock.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:44 am

The Senate went to a straight up/down vote on the PA objection. 92-7. Probably the same clowns.

Some same and some different clowns.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status ... 8757028864

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:50 am

Has this been posted? This thread has gotten chaotic so not sure Ive seen it or not.

West Virginia lawmaker among rioters in Capitol

Remove him from any office and ban him from any future ones. Then arrest him for treason and sedition and inciting a riot.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:54 am

https://twitter.com/TheArtist_MBS/statu ... 1041894402

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:55 am

malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:44 am The Senate went to a straight up/down vote on the PA objection. 92-7. Probably the same clowns.

Some same and some different clowns.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status ... 8757028864

Scott is also up for election in 2022. Nevermind, wrong Scott.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:04 am

Send them videos of Trump:

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:14 am

Jaymann wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:17 am
Little Raven wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:02 am https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/ ... 7845006339
Machiavellian! His crimes are not the issue, eliminate the competition for 2024.

I'll believe it when I see it. I think they are still scared of him and his influence with the base. This would be smart move for the long term, it would put the stake in the heart of the vampire, not that it would totally kill him but it would be a start. But they don't have the guts. They've created a party of irrational conspiracy theorists, and they are stuck with it until it collapses of it's own insanity.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:46 am

Dramatist wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:21 am Remember Trump has no capacity for learning or remorse and no bottom. If he’s not removed he will try something worse.

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He thinks highly of himself. Therefore he has nothing to learn. He has nothing to feel remorseful about. He's infallible in his mind. That's why I don't think he'll stop until he's dead or incapacitated. If he's still alive in 2024 he'll run again due to popular demand. Those 2020 voters will still be there. All the turmoil he caused is fuel for his ego. Imagine how powerful he feels knowing he has a mob willing to attack wherever he points his finger. If he's still alive. He's made people nervous, including powerful people. There's no telling how long they'll tolerate his existence.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:51 am

PA objection fails in the House, as it was preordained to do.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:00 am

Finishing off an impromptu cocktail taking all of this in, what a heavy sad day. Glad that Trump at least now says there will be an orderly transition but ffs what a horrid statement. This has been a day...

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:26 am

Sounds like something like two thirds of Republican Representatives in the House went along with this bullshit.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1347095393197305859

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:28 am

Jaymann wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:44 am So is Pence allowed to pick up his CD collection from the WH? I hear he has some killer Christian Rock.

He made a mix tape for Donnie. He’s really trying to repair this relationship.

malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:54 am https://twitter.com/TheArtist_MBS/statu ... 1041894402

Side note: I loved Sha Na Na! Did you know they played at Woodstock?

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Oh wait, that was Bowzer, not Bowser.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:52 am

Trump released a statement early this morning that still seems to me to pour gasoline on the fire. (Paraphrased thus) I'd hate if something happened to your country as I leave this White House in an orderly fashion. I'll be a good boy. Trust me.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1347104239781294082

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:17 am

The one thing I haven't seen anyone discuss yet is the assassination attempt someone will make on Biden leading up to his inauguration or even at the inauguration.

We have a situation where police are inviting terrorists to storm the capital, a president egging them on, and a party still refusing to accept the reality they've help construct. Supporting all of that is an increasingly incensed, uninformed, and well armed mob. You can't tell me that an attempt on Biden's life is out of the realm of possibility for these people and mean it. I'm certain there's enough angry crazy in that crowd that someone will be willing to take a shot if they're able to get close enough or find a big enough bullet.

Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:58 pmThere's ~0 percent chance that anyone involved "gets away" with anything.

Maybe not for the crowd on the ground, but I doubt the cops who let them in will be charged or even fired and I'm all but certain that the ringleader-in-chief of this coup attempt will walk away unscathed.

The way the Mancheeto uses "great" in his Tweets and releases now reminds me wholly of Harry Potter. "He Who Must Not Be Named did great things – terrible, yes, but great."

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:39 am

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:48 pm Cory Booker is on fire on the floor of the Senate.

Booker needs to be my senator.

Grifman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:36 pm About half or more of the Republican senators have decided not to oppose the electors - so limited applause there, but it appears that Cruz and Hawley are sticking to their guns and will continue to oppose the electors. Shame on them.

Donald J Trump should award them the presidential medal of freedom that they may never be forgotten for their "patriotism".

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:46 am

I have Morning Joe on this morning and it is interesting that several commentators have banged on two things:

1) the Capitol police need to be investigated and the whole security apparatus reformed for Congress

2) that Biden has to end this kumbaya talk and get serious.

I can't agree more with both these points.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:25 am

malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:46 am2) that Biden has to end this kumbaya talk and get serious.

When you try and hold hands with a rabid badger, WHHHAAAahguuaghruable..ugh.

Biden really should stop trying to hold hands with the badger.

Malificent · Post by **Malificent** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:39 am

Paingod wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:17 am The one thing I haven't seen anyone discuss yet is the assassination attempt someone will make on Biden leading up to his inauguration or even at the inauguration.

We have a situation where police are inviting terrorists to storm the capital, a president egging them on, and a party still refusing to accept the reality they've help construct. Supporting all of that is an increasingly incensed, uninformed, and well armed mob. You can't tell me that an attempt on Biden's life is out of the realm of possibility for these people and mean it. I'm certain there's enough angry crazy in that crowd that someone will be willing to take a shot if they're able to get close enough or find a big enough bullet.

The Secret Service will be much better prepared than the Capitol Police. I don't think an assassination attempt is likely, although it's more likely than I would've thought 24 hrs ago. I'd be more worried about an attempt on Harris than on Biden, though. Harris represents everything this group hates.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:49 am

Malificent wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:39 am The Secret Service will be much better prepared than the Capitol Police. I don't think an assassination attempt is likely, although it's more likely than I would've thought 24 hrs ago. I'd be more worried about an attempt on Harris than on Biden, though. Harris represents everything this group hates.

I would think think the Trump family would actually get involved to work against this. If it happens, they are announcing civil war and his whole family as on the table as priority targets and the US won't care as his insurrection are terrorists in that war. They go into hiding for the rest of their lives.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:50 am

Malificent wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:39 amThe Secret Service will be much better prepared than the Capitol Police.

I would have thought that before yesterday. We have serious security issues in multiple agencies. Whether it is governance, strategy, planning, coordination, interagency conflict, or whatever I don't have a lot of faith in institutions to be run correctly. Especially after the Trump administration gutted so much of our governance structure.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:51 am

malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:52 am Trump released a statement early this morning that still seems to me to pour gasoline on the fire. (Paraphrased thus) I'd hate if something happened to your country as I leave this White House in an orderly fashion. I'll be a good boy. Trust me.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1347104239781294082

It is amazing to consider how much of a difference there could potentially be in the course of the entire country if Twitter would simply extend the ban of one person for another, say, 13 days.

While the MAGA's would undoubtedly howl, removing Trump's primary megaphone would make the world a lot safer place right now.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:57 am

Yup. The tech companies need to be hauled in front of Congress when this is settled and explain themselves. What does it take to ban a national leader? Maybe update your policy to include 'coup attempts'.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:01 am

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:06 pm About the woman that died today:

https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status ... 3595092994

She served four tours in US Air Force only to die after storming the Capitol of the country for which she fought in order to over turn an election for a demagogue who had respect neither for our military or our democracy.

Very sad. Tragic. But nothing tells me it was a bad shoot. Would suck to be the officer in that position.

You can't be in the vanguard of a riot breaking into the fucking Capitol Building and not assume a very high risk of getting killed or injured.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:06 am

https://twitter.com/GrantrGregory/statu ... 0390355971

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:07 am

Mulvaney resigned as Special Envoy to Ireland. Stephanie Ruhle just mentioned that Mulvaney wasn't even doing that much. He has been running around for a year trying to start up a hedge fund so this is essentially a performance to back away from Trump. I suspect we will see so many of these dirt bags scurrying away over the next few days/weeks/months.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:10 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:01 am
Very sad. Tragic. But nothing tells me it was a bad shoot. Would suck to be the officer in that position.

You can't be in the vanguard of a riot breaking into the fucking Capitol Building and not assume a very high risk of getting killed or injured.

That's exactly my position on her.

And her serving 14 years in the military tells me she was likely quite aware of that.

Now she will live in the history books. Perhaps she wanted it that way.

I have Zero sympathy for anyone that took part in the insurrection yesterday.