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Would it be possible to get negative Hispanic votes? That would be the way to find out.Carpet_pissr wrote:Oooh, nice one!PLW wrote: I predict Joe Arpaio (?), or whatever the name is of that crazy charismatic anti-immigrant Arizona sheriff.
Carpet_pissr wrote:Chuck Norris - President's Council on Fitness, Sports, and Nutrition
Ted Nugent - BATF
All the Hispanics in this country will join up to form MegaHispanic, a super super delegate.Captain Caveman wrote:Would it be possible to get negative Hispanic votes? That would be the way to find out.Carpet_pissr wrote:Oooh, nice one!PLW wrote: I predict Joe Arpaio (?), or whatever the name is of that crazy charismatic anti-immigrant Arizona sheriff.
Also, don't forget her infamous shoe shopping trip during Hurricane KatrinaEl Guapo wrote:Rice would be a terrible choice for everyone involved. For Rice, like Jeff V said she would immediately get Trump's stink on her. Right now she has an above-the-fray stateswoman perception to her, which is invaluable in any future public or private ventures for her going forward - that would be immediately tarnished.
For Trump there are a couple problems. First, her involvement in the Bush foreign policy team, and most specifically her connection to the Iraq War, hurts Trump's ability to knock Clinton for supporting the Iraq War. Second, it's unclear that "balancing the ticket" by including a minority / woman VP would really help Trump all that much. It's, shall we say, not entirely clear that Trump's base is terribly desirous of making sure that public representatives come from across the rainbow. For people who *are* significantly motivated by ensuring minority representation at the highest level of public life...is the VP choice really going to get many of those people to vote Trump?
I don't think Bernie's socialism would do well with Trump's basemsduncan wrote:I still say he's crazy enough to ask Bernie. Is Bernie crazy enough to accept?
Definitely not. Or I should say, he's not crazy enough in the right way to accept.msduncan wrote:I still say he's crazy enough to ask Bernie. Is Bernie crazy enough to accept?
Asked by CNN's John Berman about Trump's controversial remarks and how they might affect him as the nominee, Knight dismissed the criticism.
"That doesn't really mean anything to me right now," Knight said on "New Day," "because we're talking about a guy that I think can handle things far better than anything we've had recently."
He added, "I'll tell you one thing about Donald Trump: There will never be a Benghazi in a Donald Trump administration."
The RNC opens with a motion to disband the Republican party. The motion passes on the first vote, convention is over.msduncan wrote:I still say he's crazy enough to ask Bernie. Is Bernie crazy enough to accept?
If we're going to get stuck with Trump, might as well relax and enjoy it.Isgrimnur wrote:Presidential Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics - Bob Knight
Asked by CNN's John Berman about Trump's controversial remarks and how they might affect him as the nominee, Knight dismissed the criticism.
"That doesn't really mean anything to me right now," Knight said on "New Day," "because we're talking about a guy that I think can handle things far better than anything we've had recently."
He added, "I'll tell you one thing about Donald Trump: There will never be a Benghazi in a Donald Trump administration."
Trent Steel wrote:If we're going to get stuck with Trump, might as well relax and enjoy it.Isgrimnur wrote:Presidential Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics - Bob Knight
Asked by CNN's John Berman about Trump's controversial remarks and how they might affect him as the nominee, Knight dismissed the criticism.
"That doesn't really mean anything to me right now," Knight said on "New Day," "because we're talking about a guy that I think can handle things far better than anything we've had recently."
He added, "I'll tell you one thing about Donald Trump: There will never be a Benghazi in a Donald Trump administration."
This I give you. But I stop short at calling him smart. He's already proven on more than occasion that he can't control his anger, and that he can't even listen to sound advice. Two things a smarter man would work on.YellowKing wrote: He is exceptionally good at self-promotion
The main challenge for Hillary in the first debate is going to be managing expectations. While the media certainly has many negative views of Hillary, she is generally viewed as competent, smart, well versed in policy issues, and serious. While Trump is viewed as crazy, unhinged, racist, and irresponsible. So, it would be incredibly for Trump to go in and play Mr. Reasonable, and probably be deemed to be the winner of that debate by the media. With the one caveat that since by all appearances Trump genuinely is not well versed in policy matters, he would need to avoid saying something Palin-esque (or Rubio-esque) during the debate that could be recycled as an endless soundbite.YellowKing wrote:I think Trump is crazy, but I also think he's really damn smart. He is exceptionally good at self-promotion. In that respect, I think you could see him shift like a chameleon into "kinder, gentler" Trump mode now that it's general election campaign time. Hell, I already saw glimmers of it in his concession speech.
Wouldn't it be astonishing to see Trump come out in the debate looking like a calm voice of reason for a divided nation, while an increasingly flustered Hillary gets more shrill and harpy-esque as the evening goes on?
It sucks we have to pay for these next few months of amusement with four years of disaster, but I have not been this entertained by politics in ages.
Would have been nice to hear someone pipe up with "what's this Benghazi thing you mentioned?"Isgrimnur wrote:Presidential Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics - Bob Knight
Asked by CNN's John Berman about Trump's controversial remarks and how they might affect him as the nominee, Knight dismissed the criticism.
"That doesn't really mean anything to me right now," Knight said on "New Day," "because we're talking about a guy that I think can handle things far better than anything we've had recently."
He added, "I'll tell you one thing about Donald Trump: There will never be a Benghazi in a Donald Trump administration."
And with that, you're kind of guilty there too, my friend.Carpet_pissr wrote:
Extreme narcissism, sure, probably even a God complex to boot.
Just because he demands everyone get on their knees on a well-soiled carpet and face South Carolina 12 times per day while mumbling "please don't smite me please don't smite me" doesn't mean he has a god complex.hepcat wrote:And with that, you're kind of guilty there too, my friend.Carpet_pissr wrote:
Extreme narcissism, sure, probably even a God complex to boot.
To be fair, you do become the head of a business empire by inheriting a shit ton of money from your businessman father. Whether he is actually an especially shrewd businessman (rather than leveraging the wealth he started with) seems debatable.YellowKing wrote:Of course I don't think he's clinically insane. But I think you have to be at least a little crazy to want to be President.
I disagree that he's not intelligent. You don't become head of an empire like that by being a dunce. I'm not saying he's the self-proclaimed genius he thinks he is, but he's too shrewd a businessman to be a moron.
that would be the best choice followed byBrian wrote:Gary Johnson, former Governor of New Mexico.msduncan wrote:I really wish the anger had materialized as votes for the Libertarian candidate. However I don't even know who the hell that is, so I wouldn't know how to vote for them at this point.
Which would be a fine piece of negotiating, although what would have to be offered would be too high a price.
You can't train or self-monitor yourself out of base emotions or arrogance. I don't think it has much to do with intelligence. Anger and arrogance are irrational behaviors and not tied to intelligence.hepcat wrote:Sigh... One of the two far right coworkers I'm stuck with wants desperately to fight with me over Trump. She's hardcore Trump and hardcore ANTI Hillary. She's tried four times today to engage me on this, but I keep telling her that I don't think it's a conversation we should be having given our political beliefs.
Which seems to enrage her even more. Thankfully though, it appears she's stopped talking to me out of anger. Win!
This I give you. But I stop short at calling him smart. He's already proven on more than occasion that he can't control his anger, and that he can't even listen to sound advice. Two things a smarter man would work on.YellowKing wrote: He is exceptionally good at self-promotion
Recognizing that they are a weakness, and then acting on that knowledge does require a modicum of intelligence, imho. But even beyond that, the inability to accept the advice of others who have far more experience than you on a subject is quite certainly an act of stupidity.msduncan wrote:
You can't train or self-monitor yourself out of base emotions or arrogance. I don't think it has much to do with intelligence. Anger and arrogance are irrational behaviors and not tied to intelligence.
He successfully revitalized Times Square and Atlantic City. He said he was going to do it, and he did it. Watched a documentary on it about 6 months ago on PBS. Just because people disagree with him doesn't make him unintelligent. I'd argue that his campaign was highly intelligent based on the fact that he broke just about every cardinal rule of politics and cruised to a crushing victory.El Guapo wrote:To be fair, you do become the head of a business empire by inheriting a shit ton of money from your businessman father. Whether he is actually an especially shrewd businessman (rather than leveraging the wealth he started with) seems debatable.YellowKing wrote:Of course I don't think he's clinically insane. But I think you have to be at least a little crazy to want to be President.
I disagree that he's not intelligent. You don't become head of an empire like that by being a dunce. I'm not saying he's the self-proclaimed genius he thinks he is, but he's too shrewd a businessman to be a moron.
And I would argue that finding success through breaking the rules (i.e. playing to the growing racism, sexism, and distrust of a government that seemed to be telling white males they were no longer the kings of the universe) was a happy accident for him. I'm not downplaying his ability to ride that piece of luck. But I don't think he entered the race with any hope of winning. Trump is the product of 70 percent lucky timing, 30 percent ability to recognize that and play into it.msduncan wrote: I'd argue that his campaign was highly intelligent based on the fact that he broke just about every cardinal rule of politics and cruised to a crushing victory.
Do you have a link to that documentary handy? I'd be interested to check it out. Admittedly due to the nature of the campaign season I've been seeing more stuff lately tearing down his business record (that setting aside individual business failures, if you compare his probable wealth now to what he started with the rate of growth is below the interest rate over that period), but I am curious to hear what the documentary said about this stuff.msduncan wrote:He successfully revitalized Times Square and Atlantic City. He said he was going to do it, and he did it. Watched a documentary on it about 6 months ago on PBS. Just because people disagree with him doesn't make him unintelligent. I'd argue that his campaign was highly intelligent based on the fact that he broke just about every cardinal rule of politics and cruised to a crushing victory.El Guapo wrote:To be fair, you do become the head of a business empire by inheriting a shit ton of money from your businessman father. Whether he is actually an especially shrewd businessman (rather than leveraging the wealth he started with) seems debatable.YellowKing wrote:Of course I don't think he's clinically insane. But I think you have to be at least a little crazy to want to be President.
I disagree that he's not intelligent. You don't become head of an empire like that by being a dunce. I'm not saying he's the self-proclaimed genius he thinks he is, but he's too shrewd a businessman to be a moron.
I fully expect Trump to start playing Mr. Reasonable now if only to get elected. The republicans to rally around their guy. Somebody will have his ear enough to push him centrist at this point.El Guapo wrote:The main challenge for Hillary in the first debate is going to be managing expectations. While the media certainly has many negative views of Hillary, she is generally viewed as competent, smart, well versed in policy issues, and serious. While Trump is viewed as crazy, unhinged, racist, and irresponsible. So, it would be incredibly for Trump to go in and play Mr. Reasonable, and probably be deemed to be the winner of that debate by the media. With the one caveat that since by all appearances Trump genuinely is not well versed in policy matters, he would need to avoid saying something Palin-esque (or Rubio-esque) during the debate that could be recycled as an endless soundbite
It must be a relief that nobody here is arguing any of that, then.msduncan wrote:Though I'm no Trump fan, I still outright reject the idea that wanting a legal and process-based immigration policy with secure borders indicates some sort of racism. It's a convenient mud pie to sling at the other side so you can infuse the electorate with voters that align with your policy desires. Pretending otherwise is dishonest. No other country on earth allows wholesale chaotic immigration without a legal process -- not even Mexico.