Octopus Overlords

against Chaosraven: 2 votes (pr0ner, Mr Bubbles)
against Grundbegriff: 2 votes (Orinoco, msteelers)
against Mark: 4 votes (Grundbegriff, Kelric, Chaosraven, Crux)
against Varity: 1 vote (ChrisGrenard)
against Leigh: 1 vote (Mark)
against Mr Bubbles: 1 vote (noxiousdog)
against noxiousdog: 1 vote (Mr Bubbles)
against JD: 1 vote (Leigh)

votes not given: J.D., Varity

Nice

ok well just to speed things up Mark Sorry dude, but someone has to go the first night.
*shrugs*
so vote for Noxious is out

I would advise you all yet again to consider carefully your votes. I am not a vampire. Lynching me would be a grave mistake.

Triggercut, a number of people haven't posted for quite some time.

Please give them some more time to update/confirm their votes.

I will delay my vote until we hear from them.

Varity wrote:Triggercut, a number of people haven't posted for quite some time.

Please give them some more time to update/confirm their votes.

I will delay my vote until we hear from them.

Of course we're on the third day with no vote....

Varity wrote:Triggercut, a number of people haven't posted for quite some time.

Please give them some more time to update/confirm their votes.

I posted the "plurality rule" nearly 3 days ago. If people left a vote up, I must assume they wish it to be counted.

It's of no matter anyway--if you don't want it invoked it can't be without you casting a vote.

I have to agree that lynching Mark at this point would be a mistake.

I am fairly sure that Grundbegriff is the alpha vampire.

The fact that he tried to manipulate people to not tell the truth to someone, who is, undisputedly, extremly likely to serve the good side (noxiousdog) is something only the alpha vampire would be interested in doing.

That is the strongest claim I have yet heard against anyone, and certainly beats choosing at random.

I would like to see noxiousdog make a comment on this.

I vote Mark.

Sorry about not being as active in the game as I'd hope. My grandmother is quite sick and I'm not online as much as I usually am.

Please! I beg of you - rescind your votes!

You are sending an innocent man to his death!

Mark wrote:Please! I beg of you - rescind your votes!

You are sending an innocent man to his death!

According to my informations Mark has claimed to be the vampire hunter and noone has contradicted that publicly or privately so far, according to noxiousdog. (I call upon him to back me up here)

If that is true, we would lose a invaluable asset to the defense of the masons and their web of trust.

If you feel impatient and need to lynch someone, I would ask you to lynch ME rather than him.

I'm going to trust ND for now, and am switching my vote to Mr. Bubbles. Hope for your sake you aren't lying, either of you!

Varity wrote:If you feel impatient and need to lynch someone, I would ask you to lynch ME rather than him.

That was noble and moving.

I rescind my vote against Mark.

Grund is the Alpha. He just pm'd me, demanding that I answer a question about the identity of another player in return for rescinding his vote. He knows that he can come for me in the night if I don't get lynched - which looks imminent.

Mark wrote:Grund is the Alpha. He just pm'd me, demanding that I answer a question about the identity of another player in return for rescinding his vote. He knows that he can come for me in the night if I don't get lynched - which looks imminent.

I dunno.. just suspicious that I've gotten one message total this whole game and then votes are switching.. sounds like someone is playing someone... Just wish I could figure it out.. Hard to when Im in the dark..

As a show of good faith (and in order to try out Leigh's theory) I rescinded my vote. I then asked Mark for information about the person he says he most strongly suspects, so I can figure out who else might be a fitting recipient of my vote.

That makes me the Alpha?

You're giving me second thoughts about my second thoughts, Mark....

Varity wrote:The fact that he tried to manipulate people to not tell the truth to someone, who is, undisputedly, extremly likely to serve the good side (noxiousdog) is something only the alpha vampire would be interested in doing.

You're just ego-bruised because I didn't stand up for your bombastic "I call upon everyone to share everything with the Masons regardless of anything" plan before we've even had a single sundown.

I would like to see noxiousdog make a comment on this.

Yup.

Grundbegriff wrote:As a show of good faith (and in order to try out Leigh's theory) I rescinded my vote. I then asked Mark for information about the person he says he most strongly suspects, so I can figure out who else might be a fitting recipient of my vote.

That makes me the Alpha?

You're giving me second thoughts about my second thoughts, Mark....

I made the last post before you sent me a subsequent PM offering to rescind your vote. Regardless, it is still a threat. Look how patient you've been, articulating your strategy to have me lynched. We all know you're a smart man, Grund - perhaps a little too smart for your own good sometimes.

Oh, and another thing - you have more than enough information before you right now, both on the forum and PM, that should give you a pretty firm idea one way or the other on Leigh's theory.

The only reason to rescind your vote is if you think I'm innocent. Again, you have that level of information before you now. I'm gladdened by the fact that you think I don't deserve to hang yet, but I'm also uncomfortable with your insistence that I reveal the identity of another player (let's call her Bubba Sue).

Mark wrote:I'm also uncomfortable with your insistence that I reveal the identity of another player (let's call her Bubba Sue).

She must be one of your Chosen Ones, then. Nothing else explains why even withdrawing my vote against you doesn't move you to cooperate in figuring out who else might be jerking us around.

After reconsidering.. Recinding my vote for Mark. But I'm at a loss.. once again.

Grundbegriff wrote:

Varity wrote:The fact that he tried to manipulate people to not tell the truth to someone, who is, undisputedly, extremly likely to serve the good side (noxiousdog) is something only the alpha vampire would be interested in doing.

You're just ego-bruised because I didn't stand up for your bombastic "I call upon everyone to share everything with the Masons regardless of anything" plan before we've even had a single sundown.

I would like to see noxiousdog make a comment on this.

Yup.

There is a difference between not standing up for (=putting your interests first) and sabotaging something (=increasing the chances of evil) .

I have to question your motives for doing so and you still haven't explained why you asked other people to not support the masons. Did you just have everybodys best interest in mind, at your own disadvantage, if you are good sided?

Grundbegriff wrote:

Mark wrote:I'm also uncomfortable with your insistence that I reveal the identity of another player (let's call her Bubba Sue).

She must be one of your Chosen Ones, then. Nothing else explains why even withdrawing my vote against you doesn't move you to cooperate in figuring out who else might be jerking us around.

Intrigue - thy name is Grund!

You want an explanation? How about I don't feel o-fey about revealing the identity of someone who may be trustworthy? Bubba Sue has appeared to be fairly on the level so far (or, to put another way, I suspect Bubba Sue much less than I suspect you).

It's a bit rich to claim that the 'only' reason I wouldn't reveal the information is because they're a Beta.

Varity wrote:sabotaging something (=increasing the chances of evil) .

Suggesting that the implementation be bumped back one round so everyone knows his role is sabotage?

I have to question your motives for doing so and you still haven't explained why you asked other people to not support the masons.

Because it was unfair to the 9 players who didn't yet know which team they were on.

Did you just have everybodys best interest in mind, at your own disadvantage, if you are good sided?

Here's the thing about me-- not only in this game, but in general: I play the game before me as a team player, but I also tend to assess it from a quasi-neutral standpoint and try to explain what I've observed in a detached way that might be useful to others. I'm made this way.

If I see a plan that doesn't make sense, I point out where I think it's flawed. If someone broaches a tactical concept that seems sound to me, I agree with them that it's good. noxiousdog seems to be woven from similar cloth, as are a few others.

It's a dispositional thing; don't read too much into it.

triggercut wrote:

msteelers wrote:I don't have a PM yet. Does that mean I'm an innocent?

Hmm. Check your inbox, you should have that PM from me about you being the alpha vamp and needing to choose teammates.

Man, the answer was on page 1 all along!!

withdraw vote for J.D.

J.D. I hope your grandmother gets better and that your dog doesn't eat your homework.

Lynch: Msteelers

Mark wrote:It's a bit rich to claim that the 'only' reason I wouldn't reveal the information is because they're a Beta.

Joke, like the time noxiousdog posited the mind-bender that he might be the Alpha and you and I his minions.

Grundbegriff wrote:

Mark wrote:It's a bit rich to claim that the 'only' reason I wouldn't reveal the information is because they're a Beta.

Joke, like the time noxiousdog posited the mind-bender that he might be the Alpha and you and I his minions.

Ah, good one.



You sick, bloodsucking DEMON!

ok for no other reason.. Lynch msteelers because eventually someone has to go.. and Im at a loss people..so msteelers.. if you're innocent.. forgive me

Mr Bubbles wrote:ok for no other reason.. Lynch msteelers because eventually someone has to go.. and Im at a loss people..so msteelers.. if you're innocent.. forgive me

$10 says we can keep this up for another three days.

I can't believe the first afternoon is about to spill over onto its eleventh page.

holy crap. kick a loose stone and you get an avalanche.

I'll brb after answering mail.

Mark wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:ok for no other reason.. Lynch msteelers because eventually someone has to go.. and Im at a loss people..so msteelers.. if you're innocent.. forgive me

$10 says we can keep this up for another three days.

I swear I'll jump out of the nearest window if that happens. Already this game has sucked my will to live out of me... I blame Noxious Grund and Chaos for this...

Varity wrote:I have to agree that lynching Mark at this point would be a mistake.

I am fairly sure that Grundbegriff is the alpha vampire.

The fact that he tried to manipulate people to not tell the truth to someone, who is, undisputedly, extremly likely to serve the good side (noxiousdog) is something only the alpha vampire would be interested in doing.

That is the strongest claim I have yet heard against anyone, and certainly beats choosing at random.

I would like to see noxiousdog make a comment on this.

I plan on trying to lynch Grund in a couple of days if Mark isn't a vampire anyways. By no means does he have <South African accent from Lethal Weapon>diplo-ma-tic i-mmun-ity.</South African accent from Lethal Weapon>

Let's just lynch someone besides me already, god damn. It's interesting to read, but ultimately it's just sitting here twiddling our damn thumbs waiting for someone to break.

Grundbegriff wrote:

Varity wrote:sabotaging something (=increasing the chances of evil) .

Suggesting that the implementation be bumped back one round so everyone knows his role is sabotage?

When this has the result of getting 2 important people from the web of trust killed in the meantime, yes.

Grundbegriff wrote:

I have to question your motives for doing so and you still haven't explained why you asked other people to not support the masons.

Because it was unfair to the 9 players who didn't yet know which team they were on.

You are really making me smile here. Thats so sweet of you!

7 out of 9 people will disagree with you, I think.

Maybe you want to ask them all to vote for a known innocent next, to even the vampires odds some more, in case they have to switch teams?

Grundbegriff wrote:

Did you just have everybodys best interest in mind, at your own disadvantage, if you are good sided?

Here's the thing about me-- not only in this game, but in general: I play the game before me as a team player, but I also tend to assess it from a quasi-neutral standpoint and try to explain what I've observed in a detached way that might be useful to others. I'm made this way.

If I see a plan that doesn't make sense, I point out where I think it's flawed. If someone broaches a tactical concept that seems sound to me, I agree with them that it's good. noxiousdog seems to be woven from similar cloth, as are a few others.

It's a dispositional thing; don't read too much into it.

I think it is much more likely that you had an ulterior motive. It would also fit much better with the rest of your moves.

Kelric wrote:

Varity wrote:I have to agree that lynching Mark at this point would be a mistake.

I am fairly sure that Grundbegriff is the alpha vampire.

The fact that he tried to manipulate people to not tell the truth to someone, who is, undisputedly, extremly likely to serve the good side (noxiousdog) is something only the alpha vampire would be interested in doing.

That is the strongest claim I have yet heard against anyone, and certainly beats choosing at random.

I would like to see noxiousdog make a comment on this.

I plan on trying to lynch Grund in a couple of days if Mark isn't a vampire anyways. By no means does he have <South African accent from Lethal Weapon>diplo-ma-tic i-mmun-ity.</South African accent from Lethal Weapon>

Let's just lynch someone besides me already, god damn. It's interesting to read, but ultimately it's just sitting here twiddling our damn thumbs waiting for someone to break.

Its kind of strange.. I've counted 65 hours that have passed, and yet the sun refuses to set. We have some serious voodoo going on here.

IMPORTANT: I have been contacted by 2 (and only two) seers. If you're a seer and you have not contacted me, or if you would like to cause confusion and delay, please contact me at your earliest convenience.

7 out of 9 people will disagree with you, I think.

But which 7?

That's the whole problem. You could wake up in the morning as a vamp and BAM! all of a sudden, the entire game has changed for you. The information you've been feeding the Mason will now be used against you, handing the other team the likely victory.

From a realism standpoint, it makes sense but from a victory standpoint, it's potential suicide.

As much as I hate to see it that way since likely I will wake up in the morning and STILL be a villager, thus kicking myself for not going forward with it. If I did wake up in the morning as a vamp, I'd be kicking myself if I DID go along with it.

If you're not a plain villager, it's an easy choice. Otherwise ... serious potential for a conflict of interests.

Mr Bubbles wrote:

Mark wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:ok for no other reason.. Lynch msteelers because eventually someone has to go.. and Im at a loss people..so msteelers.. if you're innocent.. forgive me

$10 says we can keep this up for another three days.

I swear I'll jump out of the nearest window if that happens. Already this game has sucked my will to live out of me... I blame Noxious Grund and Chaos for this...

Hey, I want some blame, too. I feel left out.

Varity wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:

Mark wrote:

Mr Bubbles wrote:ok for no other reason.. Lynch msteelers because eventually someone has to go.. and Im at a loss people..so msteelers.. if you're innocent.. forgive me

$10 says we can keep this up for another three days.

I swear I'll jump out of the nearest window if that happens. Already this game has sucked my will to live out of me... I blame Noxious Grund and Chaos for this...

Hey, I want some blame, too. I feel left out.

If it makes you feel better.. your last few messages have pushed you into the top 4 hot winded posters =P

noxiousdog wrote:or if you would like to cause confusion and delay

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!