The Dark Knight - Fade to Black

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:14 pm

tru1cy wrote: isgrimnur

decided I'm not going out on a self vote

Now THAT is a bandwagon

All you have, Scoop, is a Radio Flyer tied to your bike with you pedalling and Chaosraven riding along.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:08 pm

If Scoop is pulling Chaosraven in a Radio Flyer behind his bike then Scoop must have super human strength to move at all.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:09 pm

Remus West wrote:If Scoop is pulling Chaosraven in a Radio Flyer behind his bike then Scoop must have super human strength to move at all.

So you're saying he is....???

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:59 pm

Lassr wrote:the more you guys point out who you think are special good guys the more I think you must be on the bad team.

I didn't put much stock in Grund calling me Rachel because I know he wouldn't print a road map for the bad guys and post it, but theohall now is stating I'm special...maybe I am special, bad guys can kill me tonight to find out. Are you taking a page out of Grund's strategy book now or was that a serious list?

I'm curious... how is this not a road map for bad guys as well?

Grundbegriff wrote:...these are strong suspicions; in others, they're swags.

Code: Select all

Batman    Brendan or Unagi
Rachel    Lassr
Alfred    theohall
Gordon    Newcastle
Lucius    Mr Bubbles
Dent      Scoop or Unagi
Joker     Scoop or Brendan
Sniper    Isgrimnur
Ramirez   tru1cy
Citizen01 Grundbegriff
Citizen02 Chaosraven
Citizen03 Remus West
Citizen04 Lagom Lite
Citizen05 Semaj

My comments are the same thing. Suspicions, swags and wags. Grundbegriff's swags attempted to specifically name all every role with a couple of "or" options, which also points out targets for the bad guys. Of course, that entire list is probably a bluff just as mine could be. Your concerned reply to my list is probably painting a big red bullseye on you for the bad guys.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:35 pm

theohall wrote:Your concerned reply to my list is probably painting a big red bullseye on you for the bad guys.

and that may be my plan, unlike some, I don't mind dying for the good of the village.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:16 pm

theohall wrote: I'm curious... how is this not a road map for bad guys as well?
Grundbegriff wrote:...these are strong suspicions; in others, they're swags.
Code: Select all
Batman    Brendan or Unagi
Rachel    Lassr
Alfred    theohall
Gordon    Newcastle
Lucius    Mr Bubbles
Dent      Scoop or Unagi
Joker     Scoop or Brendan
Sniper    Isgrimnur
Ramirez   tru1cy
Citizen01 Grundbegriff
Citizen02 Chaosraven
Citizen03 Remus West
Citizen04 Lagom Lite
Citizen05 Semaj
My comments are the same thing. Suspicions, swags and wags. Grundbegriff's swags attempted to specifically name all every role with a couple of "or" options, which also points out targets for the bad guys. Of course, that entire list is probably a bluff just as mine could be. Your concerned reply to my list is probably painting a big red bullseye on you for the bad guys.

Heh, I read it as: he thinks Scoop, Unagi and Brendan are the three evils. He thinks others might be good and puts in wherever he feels froggy.

If he really thinks people are good powereds he wont out them, its not how he rolls. I assume there is also misdirection and random things in there to screw with anyone reading. So, any evil person who isn't a complete moron wont be using that to kill anyone (Although leaving people grund thinks as evil alive might be possible) because it works both ways, good or evil... you just cant trust grund.

It's an adapted version of a threat matrix, nothing more... Although I was shocked to see one done so early this game.

Ezmate: this is my busy weekend... leaving in about 20 mins, prolly not really spending more than sleep time at home until monday evening or tuesday afternoon.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:17 pm

Damnit...

he thinks Scoop. Brendan, Unagi and ISG are evil... I apparently forgot to write that one

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:32 pm

Semaj wrote:
theohall wrote: I'm curious... how is this not a road map for bad guys as well?
... which also points out targets for the bad guys. Of course, that entire list is probably a bluff just as mine could be. Your concerned reply to my list is probably painting a big red bullseye on you for the bad guys.
Heh, I read it as: he thinks Scoop, Unagi and Brendan are the three evils. He thinks others might be good and puts in wherever he feels froggy.

If he really thinks people are good powereds he wont out them, its not how he rolls. I assume there is also misdirection and random things in there to screw with anyone reading. So, any evil person who isn't a complete moron wont be using that to kill anyone (Although leaving people grund thinks as evil alive might be possible) because it works both ways, good or evil... you just cant trust grund.

I think it's sort of fascinating that each person in this chain of discussion -- Semaj, theohall, and the person to whom theohall replied -- seems to take for granted that I'm good, and to express no concern to the contrary.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:57 pm

Everyone is good, until proven otherwise.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:07 pm

theohall wrote:Everyone is good, until proven otherwise.

Interesting attitude. Seems safer to assume that everyone's evil until you have a reason to think otherwise.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:27 pm

Which is why proof of good is so powerful... The game is based on paranoia, rational or not. (since there really are people out to get us)

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:27 am

Semaj wrote:Damnit...

he thinks Scoop. Brendan, Unagi and ISG are evil... I apparently forgot to write that one

Interesting conclusion, given that he puts Unagi and I in both good and evil slots. Why the elision?

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:36 am

Brendan wrote:
Semaj wrote:Damnit...

he thinks Scoop. Brendan, Unagi and ISG are evil... I apparently forgot to write that one
Interesting conclusion, given that he puts Unagi and I in both good and evil slots. Why the elision?

Also, why omit tru1cy? Your summary was pretty, uh, incompetent.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:02 am

I more or less tried to say good or evil you really cant trust grund, as such dont use that as a guideline for anything.

At least thats what I tried to say

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:11 am

Blah blah blah, not a baddie, blah blah blah, barking up the wrong tree, blah blah blah, bury me by the river.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:23 am

Remus West

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:28 pm

*yawn*

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:38 pm

Isgrimnur? The only game I played against him I was the mother alien bad guy and infected him to be a bad guy the first night, then he quickly got shot by pr0ner (or was it Austin?). So I really don't know him at all, but unlike Lassr f. ex. (

) I don't like to vote for people simply because I don't know them! Also, Grundbegriff's switching from tru1cy to Isgrimnur is weird. Maybe Grund is beating the grass, maybe he and tru1cy are in cahoots.

Regardless, I'd like to see some more people write, you know, stuff. Not much to go on and I haven't found any rules exploits... yet.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:40 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: Remus West

Hmm...

I don't know what you're doing but it could be one of many things. If you are a bad guy you're really playing a daring game.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:13 pm

What makes you say Scoop's play is daring, exactly?

Tru1cy's move has caught my eye.
Try to guage if I would rather move my vote to isg, or tru1cy.

So, no one (even with recent behavior) feels like I've got anything on Brendan?

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:09 pm

Unagi wrote:What makes you say Scoop's play is daring, exactly?

The whole "EVERYONE VOTE FOR REMUS!!! NAO!!!" thing he's doing (and failing) is not exactly low profile. Daring. You disagree?

Unagi wrote:Tru1cy's move has caught my eye.

How so?

Unagi wrote:Try to guage if I would rather move my vote to isg, or tru1cy.

So you're a follower rather than a leader?

Unagi wrote:So, no one (even with recent behavior) feels like I've got anything on Brendan?

I don't know. No, not really. What did you say you had again?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:25 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:
Unagi wrote:What makes you say Scoop's play is daring, exactly?
The whole "EVERYONE VOTE FOR REMUS!!! NAO!!!" thing he's doing (and failing) is not exactly low profile. Daring. You disagree?

Not really.
First, it's Scoop - he has a long history of 'acting up'.
If Scoop is Good, he's doing it because he really had a hunch, and he really just wants us all to test it - and he's truly willing to die tomorrow if he's wrong (sadly, not caring that he would have just forced us into 2 misses)
If Scoop is Evil, he's doing it because he wanted to come strong out of the gate with an 'act'.
Frankly - to me, it comes across mostly like a Good Scoop trying to test his hunch - but I leave room for it being 'the act' - just not really getting the vibe. If it's an act, Scoop is getting good at it.

Lagom Lite wrote:
Unagi wrote:Tru1cy's move has caught my eye.
How so?

He sincerely does often do the self-vote thing, as a powerless villager, since he knows that a villager dying is WAY better than a special dying (take note, Isgrimnur).
He started this day with suggesting that all of the villagers step forward - and that it would start with HIM.
He then even placed a self-vote.
Then - for some unknown reason, he makes a few more posts (that alone is strange) - catches a little more attention - things maybe slightly heat up on him, and what happens? He removes his vote for himself, and then places it on someone that is gaining in 'heat'.

Tru1cy blinked, why?

There is a chance that his original move was done to garner scans tonight, and that he is the one bad-guy that can't be scanned. There is a chance that Isgrimnur is indeed one of his partners - and they decided it would be helpful for Tru1cy to actually gain some trust by being in on the vote (if Isgrimnur is to die-Evil, they would want to gain something from it).
There is also a chance that Isgrimnur isn't evil - and Tru1cy just saw his chance to help move us into the night phase.

It's harder for me to figure out why the change, if tru1cy is indeed good.

Bottom line, it seemed a little odd for the one guy that came out and wanted us to hang a Villager Today - to announce he is indeed one of those villagers, and to help fit his neck for the noose - only to reverse course as soon as another player gains a little ground.
What happened to:

tru1cy wrote:There is almost a 2-1 ratio of Special vs. Non. Which means we are twice as likely to hit a powered role versus a non powered.
...
Anyway, just my thoughts. I can self vote as I fall squarely into the non-special block

Lagom Lite wrote:
Unagi wrote:Try to gage if I would rather move my vote to isg, or tru1cy.
So you're a follower rather than a leader?

Meh, probably a little of both, aren't we all?
- but, as you see - no one seems to be following my lead, and we need to reach a majority eventually. I actually have had Isgrimnur on my short list, I think before anyone else - and had the first vote on him- I only moved my vote because I felt Brendan showed his hand a little.

Lagom Lite wrote:
Unagi wrote:So, no one (even with recent behavior) feels like I've got anything on Brendan?
I don't know. No, not really. What did you say you had again?

Ahhh, I see that you found the part where I am still trying to lead.
There is a log of my reasoning in the pages that precede this. Nothing earth shattering, it's Day 1 after all.

(I find it a little disingenuous that you didn't read what transpired between Brendan and I... is he your partner Lagom?)
(perhaps I'm just going through a phase of inflated self-importance)

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:32 pm

Unagi wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Unagi wrote:Tru1cy's move has caught my eye.
How so?
He sincerely does often do the self-vote thing, as a powerless villager, since he knows that a villager dying is WAY better than a special dying (take note, Isgrimnur).

And I was so promptly schooled in the last game, it is much better to find an enemy than look for an innocent volunteer just to increase the odds of success later, because every lynch that fails to find an enemy helps the evil team, more in a game where there are three times the number of evil players.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:39 pm

Alright Unagi. I'll play.
Brendan

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:49 pm

Unagi, which bad guy can't be scanned?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:30 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Unagi wrote:Tru1cy's move has caught my eye.
How so?
He sincerely does often do the self-vote thing, as a powerless villager, since he knows that a villager dying is WAY better than a special dying (take note, Isgrimnur).
And I was so promptly schooled in the last game, it is much better to find an enemy than look for an innocent volunteer just to increase the odds of success later, because every lynch that fails to find an enemy helps the evil team, more in a game where there are three times the number of evil players.

The Wayne Gretzky argument is certainly a good one (and one I subscribe to, much more often then not) - but this isn't what we are talking about right now. We are talking about tru1cy making such a claim (we should miss on a villager), which supports his MO (the villager that self-votes), and then him going not only against his MO (removing his self vote) but also against the strategy he initiated (he places his vote on you.)

I can't tell you how many games I've played where tru1cy hasn't twitch at all, while everyone around him screams for more 'activity'. That , on day one, he even 'had a position' to shift away from - is itself a novelty.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:34 pm

That's what I was saying.

We always let tru1cy live till the end, or till the end is near, on the basis of the fact that there's seldom a reason to do otherwise.

This time, for good or ill, he has given us a reason to sit up, take notice, and manage the apparent risk.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:36 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Unagi, which bad guy can't be scanned?

Ok, sorry - I admit it - I glossed over the good-Harvey bits it would seem - I didn't think this was one of his powers.

Each night, examines the DA files on one citizen looking for the corrupt cop - Ramirez.

whatever. I change nothing in my argument - other than our scans being split up among 3 people make 'scanning' an Evil guy pretty slim.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:43 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:This time, for good or ill, he has given us a reason to sit up, take notice, and manage the apparent risk.

yes, and of course - he's so rusty, the concern is that it's going to be "for ill" (meaning we may regret it), but I admit -I do feel almost as if I've got no option.

And now, why did Remus take this moment to join me on Brendan? (I'm sure it pleases you, Remus, that your vote for Brendan gave my mind no end of concerns)

Remus, what's your take on that big old tru1cy blip on your radar?

Chaos,?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:19 pm

Unagi

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:39 pm

Is there simply a rulez I'm unaware of (unwritten?) where no one can follow scoop's hunch/guidance and vote with him?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:47 pm

Unagi, I'm not just messing with you in regards to my vote (although that did add to the pleasure in casting it). I'm willing to lynch him. Isgrimnur or he. Either way is fine imo. If Isgrimnur gets more votes I'll jump back that way. I still have no intention of voting tru1cy today.

Scoop, instead of continuing to chase after a faulty hunch why don't you put your voice somewhere it might actually land on a bad guy?

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:06 am

Remus West wrote:I still have no intention of voting tru1cy today.

Curious. I predict this will reflect poorly on you in the future.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:09 am

Brendan wrote:
Remus West wrote:I still have no intention of voting tru1cy today.
Curious. I predict this will reflect poorly on you in the future.

So?

If you feel that way then why are you voting for Grundbegriff?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:11 am

I'm sticking with my tru1cy vote.

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:21 am

Remus West wrote:
Brendan wrote:
Remus West wrote:I still have no intention of voting tru1cy today.
Curious. I predict this will reflect poorly on you in the future.
So?

If you feel that way then why are you voting for Grundbegriff?

I'm voting for who?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:58 am

Brendan wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Brendan wrote:
Remus West wrote:I still have no intention of voting tru1cy today.
Curious. I predict this will reflect poorly on you in the future.
So?

If you feel that way then why are you voting for Grundbegriff?
I'm voting for who?

My fault. Last vote count by stessier showed you voting Grund.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:29 am

Grundbegriff wrote: Unagi

appreciated

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:34 am

tru1cy

works for me...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:26 am

Vote Count - Act 1

Scoop acc tru1cy (1)
Lagom acc Chaos (1)
Remus acc Semaj (1)
theohall acc Mr Bubbles (1)
Semaj acc Remus (1)
Lassr acc Brendan (1)
Lagom wd Chaos (0)
Scoop wd tru1cy (0)
Scoop acc Remus (2)
Bubbles acc Chaos (1)
tru1cy acc Unagi (1)
Semaj wd Remus (1)
Semaj acc Isgrimnur (1)
Brendan acc Unagi (2)
Unagi acc Brendan (2)
Isgrimnur acc Grund (1)
Lagom acc tru1cy (1)
Chaos acc Brendan (3)
Brendan wd Unagi (1)
Brendan acc Grund (2)
Scoop wd Remus (0)
Isgrimnur wd Grund (1)
Isgrimnur acc Scoop (1)
Lassr wd Brendan (2)
Lassr acc Semaj (2)
Remus wd Semaj (1)
Remus acc Unagi (2)
Scoop acc Remus (1)
Grund acc tru1cy (2)
theohall wd Bubbles (0)
theohall acc Chaos (2)
Remus wd Unagi (1)
Remus acc Semaj (2)
tru1cy wd Unagi (0)
tru1cy acc tru1cy (3)
Lassr wd Semaj (1)
Lassr acc tru1cy (4)
Chaos wd Brendan (1)
Chaos acc tru1cy (5)
theohall wd Chaos (1)
theohall acc Isgrimnur (2)
Grund wd tru1cy (4)
Grund acc Isgrimnur (3)
Chaos wd tru1cy (3)
Chaos acc Remus (2)
Remus wd Semaj (0)
Remus acc Isgrimnur (4)
Brendan wd Grund (0)
Brendan acc tru1cy (4)
tru1cy wd tru1cy (3)
tru1cy acc Isgrimnur (5)
Remus wd Isgrimnur (4)
Remus acc Brendan (2)
Grund wd Isgrimnur (3)
Grund acc Unagi (1)
Chaos wd Remus (1)
Chaos acc tru1cy (4)

Mob rule occurs at 7 votes.

Against tru1cy (4): Lagom, Lassr, Brendan, Chaos
Against Isgrimnur (3): Semaj, theohall, tru1cy
Against Brendan (2): Unagi, Remus
Against Remus (1): Scoop
Against Chaos (1): Bubbles
Against Scoop (1): Isgrimnur
Against Unagi (1): Grund

No votes: