Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:50 pm

coopasonic wrote:As far as trig's analysis, if you don't want to get caught browsing, relog invisible.

Snoopasonic!

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:50 pm

theohall wrote:Awfully quiet with the deadline rapidly approaching on Wednesday.

Then vote against tru1cy. It's obvious that he's a rebel. Just look at his name!

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:52 pm

RMC wrote:Post counts at this point are a red herring in my book. The quiet ones might be on team evil, but they could be good specials hiding out. So with a few weekends and a holiday weekend in the mix I am really reluctant to use that as my only base point.

The goal of a post count isn't to identify the quiet ones. It's to identify the ones who aren't doing what they typically do.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:56 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
RMC wrote:Post counts at this point are a red herring in my book. The quiet ones might be on team evil, but they could be good specials hiding out. So with a few weekends and a holiday weekend in the mix I am really reluctant to use that as my only base point.
The goal of a post count isn't to identify the quiet ones. It's to identify the ones who aren't doing what they typically do.

Valid point, and red herring might have been a bad choice of words, I simply wanted to clarify that low post counts, of which I was one, is not in itself on Day 1 an indication of good or evil.

I concede that it does help establish a pattern to see what someone is doing vs what they have don in the past. Or even the change from day 1 to day x.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:53 pm

theohall wrote:Awfully quiet with the deadline rapidly approaching on Wednesday.

Since Theohall wants someone run up to N-1, why not oblige him?

Semaj

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:00 pm

Actually, we'll get back to that.... let's make this triggercut

That vote is based off something super mysterious I will tell you all about later.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:00 pm

chortle

solid plan there unagi.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:02 pm

you post too fast

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:06 pm

Unagi wrote:That vote is based off something super mysterious I will tell you all about later.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:46 pm

Unagi wrote:Actually, we'll get back to that.... let's make this triggercut

That vote is based off something super mysterious I will tell you all about later.

Go ahead and tell us now.

I'm fascinated to hear it.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:46 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
theohall wrote:Awfully quiet with the deadline rapidly approaching on Wednesday.
Then vote against tru1cy. It's obvious that he's a rebel. Just look at his name!

I did.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:00 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:Here are the ones I find especially interesting:

Fourth, and most strikingly: what happened to the new, talkative tru1cy?

My job is the protect the emperor not engage in idle chatter. You talk I protect. I have nothing and see no reason to move my vote

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:13 pm

tru1cy wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:...what happened to the new, talkative tru1cy?
I have nothing and see no reason to move my vote

Even though I'm drumming up an insane clone posse against you?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:22 pm

so no one else see's this in unagi? Is it just me? I mean he asked for a train, got it...then pounces on somoen for adding a n-1 vote...wasnt that what he wanted? He just seems the evil, bully unagi of previous incarnations.

also i have no intention of voting for scoop right now, if scoop is rebel, he'll get himself in trouble some way or another. I much rather get the unagi express going...IF push came to shove, i could potentially vote for any of my other suspects...ie...truicy, lassr, grund.

-regarding the meta thing...i got jumped on that last game...there is a fine line there, and a certain gray area. where it is, well ...uyou know when folks squeal bout it.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:28 pm

Newcastle wrote:so no one else see's this in unagi? Is it just me? I mean he asked for a train, got it...then pounces on somoen for adding a n-1 vote...wasnt that what he wanted? He just seems the evil, bully unagi of previous incarnations.

also i have no intention of voting for scoop right now, if scoop is rebel, he'll get himself in trouble some way or another. I much rather get the unagi express going...IF push came to shove, i could potentially vote for any of my other suspects...ie...truicy, lassr, grund.

-regarding the meta thing...i got jumped on that last game...there is a fine line there, and a certain gray area. where it is, well ...uyou know when folks squeal bout it.

Hmm. Interesting and could be fun.

Withdraw Kenetickid

for now,

Unagi

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:28 pm

triggercut wrote:The fact that we can't get a bandwagon going on anyone *except* Scoop tells me that he's Empire to the soles of his Stormtrooper Boots.

Also, it's nice to have Yoda back from his weeklong absence!

Really? That's your conclusion. You get all that because Scoop was run up the flag pole, wasn't saluted, and didn't get assassinated by yoda between 8:04 and 8:24 eastern time? *shrug*

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:36 pm

LordMortis wrote:
triggercut wrote:The fact that we can't get a bandwagon going on anyone *except* Scoop tells me that he's Empire to the soles of his Stormtrooper Boots.

Also, it's nice to have Yoda back from his weeklong absence!
Really? That's your conclusion. You get all that because Scoop was run up the flag pole, wasn't saluted, and didn't get assassinated by yoda between 8:04 and 8:24 eastern time? *shrug*

You probably missed when we were told that Yoda and Dooku can place their overvotes conditionally. They needn't be around when someone hits the top of the flagpole, but can issue a PM instruction to bb2112 saying "If player x gets to n-1, place my overvote upon them."

Did you not seeing that earlier cause some consternation over on the Rebel boards, LM?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:47 pm

triggercut wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
triggercut wrote:The fact that we can't get a bandwagon going on anyone *except* Scoop tells me that he's Empire to the soles of his Stormtrooper Boots.

Also, it's nice to have Yoda back from his weeklong absence!
Really? That's your conclusion. You get all that because Scoop was run up the flag pole, wasn't saluted, and didn't get assassinated by yoda between 8:04 and 8:24 eastern time? *shrug*
You probably missed when we were told that Yoda and Dooku can place their overvotes conditionally. They needn't be around when someone hits the top of the flagpole, but can issue a PM instruction to bb2112 saying "If player x gets to n-1, place my overvote upon them."

Did you not seeing that earlier cause some consternation over on the Rebel boards, LM?

Did you not see Dooku/Yoda/R2 (if any of them are even in the game) might not have been aware of this prior to the question being clarified?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:50 pm

theohall wrote:
triggercut wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
triggercut wrote:The fact that we can't get a bandwagon going on anyone *except* Scoop tells me that he's Empire to the soles of his Stormtrooper Boots.

Also, it's nice to have Yoda back from his weeklong absence!
Really? That's your conclusion. You get all that because Scoop was run up the flag pole, wasn't saluted, and didn't get assassinated by yoda between 8:04 and 8:24 eastern time? *shrug*
You probably missed when we were told that Yoda and Dooku can place their overvotes conditionally. They needn't be around when someone hits the top of the flagpole, but can issue a PM instruction to bb2112 saying "If player x gets to n-1, place my overvote upon them."

Did you not seeing that earlier cause some consternation over on the Rebel boards, LM?
Did you not see Dooku/Yoda/R2 (if any of them are even in the game) might not have been aware of this prior to the question being clarified?

Oh, I'm pretty sure at least one of them was completely unaware of it, given Lord Mortis's stated assumption that Yoda had but 24 minutes to cast his overvote.

What's your point?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:58 pm

theohall wrote:
triggercut wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
triggercut wrote:The fact that we can't get a bandwagon going on anyone *except* Scoop tells me that he's Empire to the soles of his Stormtrooper Boots.

Also, it's nice to have Yoda back from his weeklong absence!
Really? That's your conclusion. You get all that because Scoop was run up the flag pole, wasn't saluted, and didn't get assassinated by yoda between 8:04 and 8:24 eastern time? *shrug*
You probably missed when we were told that Yoda and Dooku can place their overvotes conditionally. They needn't be around when someone hits the top of the flagpole, but can issue a PM instruction to bb2112 saying "If player x gets to n-1, place my overvote upon them."

Did you not seeing that earlier cause some consternation over on the Rebel boards, LM?
Did you not see Dooku/Yoda/R2 (if any of them are even in the game) might not have been aware of this prior to the question being clarified?

BTW, while the rule was clarified to allow the conditional, we were told specifically that Dooku/Yoda/R2 could place their votes (when eligible) at any point during the day, with the caveat being that the overvote was un-moveable and stuck on whomever for the entire day-turn. That's on page 1, I believe. So, in answer to your question...I don't know what LM is thinking with his supposition that if Yoda wanted to put Scoop over the top that it was a pre-requisite that he be playing in-thread at the point where Scoop got to N-1 in order to place that decisive vote.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:59 pm

triggercut wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
triggercut wrote:The fact that we can't get a bandwagon going on anyone *except* Scoop tells me that he's Empire to the soles of his Stormtrooper Boots.

Also, it's nice to have Yoda back from his weeklong absence!
Really? That's your conclusion. You get all that because Scoop was run up the flag pole, wasn't saluted, and didn't get assassinated by yoda between 8:04 and 8:24 eastern time? *shrug*
You probably missed when we were told that Yoda and Dooku can place their overvotes conditionally. They needn't be around when someone hits the top of the flagpole, but can issue a PM instruction to bb2112 saying "If player x gets to n-1, place my overvote upon them."

Did you not seeing that earlier cause some consternation over on the Rebel boards, LM?

I didn't miss it. I didn't pay attention to when the question was asked. I suppose we'll see what happens next when bb2112 gives us input. I imagine the frame up is underway if scoop's imperial.

insane clone posse

Insane is the word. The merchandising makes no sense to me at all. And speaking of, did anyone else actively try to collect stormtroopers as a kid? I think I had eight and that was from obsessive searching. Jawas, friken everywhere. Stormtroopers, never to be found. Every store that carried toys, every trip would see me tearing through the Kenner section. I had $2.75 and another 11 cents in tax just in case. That was my first experience with toy shortage. You'd think that would have cured me, but noooo, MtG comes out 15 years later and here I am combing stores and buying everything I can find just find a stupid pure lace. Kenner began the evil toy generation, making everyone get boxes and boxes of multiple Princess Leas and Han Solos ugly fat heads and only one stupid Stormtrooper with OIL clearly spelled on his back. I wanted an army to fill my cardboard Deathstar with its foam rubber garbage and I could scarcely build a squad big enough stop a landspeeder at mois eisley.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:00 pm

Votes

1 Lassr -----------------> Scoop20906
2 RMC ------------------>
3 Tru1cy --------------- > Unagi
4 Remus West ---------> Scoop20906
5 Qantaga --------------> Tru1cy
6 Newcastle ------------> Unagi
7 Mr. Bubbles ----------> Semaj
8 Theohall --------------> Tru1cy
9 Chaosraven ----------> Kenetickid
10 Scoop20906 ----------> Pr0ner
11 Coopasonic ----------->
12 El Guapo --------------> Scoop20906
13 Lord Mortis -----------> Scoop20906
14 Stessier ---------------> Scoop20906
15 Unagi ------------------> Triggercut
16 Pr0ner -----------------> Scoop20906
17 Semaj -----------------> Scoop20906
18 Kenetickid ------------> Chaosraven
19 Triggercut ------------> Unagi
20 Isgrimnur -------------> Triggercut
21 Grundbegriff ---------> Tru1cy

Unagi 3 <----------------- Tru1cy, Newcastle, Triggercut
Tru1cy 3 <---------------- Qantaga, Theohall, Grundbegrifff
Semaj 1 <----------------- Mr Bubbles
Scoop20906 7 <---------- Stessier, Lassr, Pr0ner, Remus West, El Guapo, Lord Mortis, Semaj
Pr0ner 1 <---------------- Scoop20906
Kenetickid 1 <----------- Chaosraven
Triggercut 2 <----------- Isgrimnur, Unagi
Chaosraven 1 <---------- Kenetickid

Majority is 11
Deadline: July 13th 9PM EST

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:01 pm

And BB is on.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:03 pm

... and bb posts quickly...

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:05 pm

LordMortis wrote:... and bb posts quickly...

Yes? Did I miss a question?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:05 pm

How about if we run scoop

back up to n-1 and see if Dooku wants to let us all know he's here?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:07 pm

triggercut wrote:
theohall wrote:
triggercut wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
triggercut wrote:The fact that we can't get a bandwagon going on anyone *except* Scoop tells me that he's Empire to the soles of his Stormtrooper Boots.

Also, it's nice to have Yoda back from his weeklong absence!
Really? That's your conclusion. You get all that because Scoop was run up the flag pole, wasn't saluted, and didn't get assassinated by yoda between 8:04 and 8:24 eastern time? *shrug*
You probably missed when we were told that Yoda and Dooku can place their overvotes conditionally. They needn't be around when someone hits the top of the flagpole, but can issue a PM instruction to bb2112 saying "If player x gets to n-1, place my overvote upon them."

Did you not seeing that earlier cause some consternation over on the Rebel boards, LM?
Did you not see Dooku/Yoda/R2 (if any of them are even in the game) might not have been aware of this prior to the question being clarified?
Oh, I'm pretty sure at least one of them was completely unaware of it, given Lord Mortis's stated assumption that Yoda had but 24 minutes to cast his overvote.

What's your point?

That R2D2 is likely not even in the game, assuming he would take the earliest opportunity to take out an Imperial, since it is a one-shot. Yoda, if present, didn't have the time if he didn't place a standing order, while a standing order on the first Day One train is extremely unlikely. And Dooku would be an idiot to use his only over-vote on Day One without further info.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:11 pm

theohall wrote:
triggercut wrote:
theohall wrote:
triggercut wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
triggercut wrote:The fact that we can't get a bandwagon going on anyone *except* Scoop tells me that he's Empire to the soles of his Stormtrooper Boots.

Also, it's nice to have Yoda back from his weeklong absence!
Really? That's your conclusion. You get all that because Scoop was run up the flag pole, wasn't saluted, and didn't get assassinated by yoda between 8:04 and 8:24 eastern time? *shrug*
You probably missed when we were told that Yoda and Dooku can place their overvotes conditionally. They needn't be around when someone hits the top of the flagpole, but can issue a PM instruction to bb2112 saying "If player x gets to n-1, place my overvote upon them."

Did you not seeing that earlier cause some consternation over on the Rebel boards, LM?
Did you not see Dooku/Yoda/R2 (if any of them are even in the game) might not have been aware of this prior to the question being clarified?
Oh, I'm pretty sure at least one of them was completely unaware of it, given Lord Mortis's stated assumption that Yoda had but 24 minutes to cast his overvote.

What's your point?
That R2D2 is likely not even in the game, assuming he would take the earliest opportunity to take out an Imperial, since it is a one-shot. Yoda, if present, didn't have the time if he didn't place a standing order, while a standing order on the first Day One train is extremely unlikely. And Dooku would be an idiot to use his only over-vote on Day One without further info.

mis-read his rulez

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:11 pm

Chaosraven wrote:How about if we run scoop

back up to n-1 and see if Dooku wants to let us all know he's here?

What if Scoop is Dooku, and thus Empire?

What if Dooku believes Scoop to be an Empire teammate?

Flawed premises for $200!

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:12 pm

theohall wrote: That R2D2 is likely not even in the game, assuming he would take the earliest opportunity to take out an Imperial, since it is a one-shot. Yoda, if present, didn't have the time if he didn't place a standing order, while a standing order on the first Day One train is extremely unlikely. And Dooku would be an idiot to use his only over-vote on Day One without further info.

As I've stated previously, R2 only gets to do his thing once in the game. If he's active this game his power gets more and more powerful with each successive day as the number of votes to put someone over decreases while his number of overvotes stays constant at 3.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:23 pm

triggercut wrote:
theohall wrote: That R2D2 is likely not even in the game, assuming he would take the earliest opportunity to take out an Imperial, since it is a one-shot. Yoda, if present, didn't have the time if he didn't place a standing order, while a standing order on the first Day One train is extremely unlikely. And Dooku would be an idiot to use his only over-vote on Day One without further info.
As I've stated previously, R2 only gets to do his thing once in the game. If he's active this game his power gets more and more powerful with each successive day as the number of votes to put someone over decreases while his number of overvotes stays constant at 3.

That assumes 2 things - 1) R2 doesn't get lynched early or 2) R2 is even in the game.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:45 pm

LordMortis wrote:Stormtroopers, never to be found. ...That was my first experience with toy shortage.... and only one stupid Stormtrooper with OIL clearly spelled on his back. I wanted an army to fill my cardboard Deathstar with its foam rubber garbage and I could scarcely build a squad big enough stop a landspeeder at mois eisley.

TK-421-- Why aren't you at my Costco?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:46 pm

Chaosraven wrote:How about if we run scoop

back up to n-1 and see if Dooku wants to let us all know he's here?

And if he's not, but Yoda is, and Yoda pretends to be him, then what?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:52 pm

Newcastle makes good points about Unagi. More broadly, I get that it's day one and all, but he ought to put more of an argument into his votes then "hey, n-1".

withdraw Scoop

Unagi.

Also noteworthy is that tru1cy's response to Grund is also a little baffling, and Chaosraven's Dooku argument is thoroughly illogical for the reasons noted.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:00 pm

So hold the phone, Chuck.

Why does Chaosraven think that the only over-vote role active in the game belongs to Count Dooku?

Does he know that there's no Yoda and no R2?

Did we just get our first break in the game here?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:00 pm

In fact, I think it's worth a vote.

Withdraw Unagi

Chaosraven

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:27 pm

triggercut wrote:In fact, I think it's worth a vote.

Withdraw Unagi

Chaosraven

I agree this looks like a slip of the tongue.

Chaosraven

Chaosraven wrote:How about if we run scoop

back up to n-1 and see if Dooku wants to let us all know he's here?

What you talking about CR?

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:36 pm

More than a slip of the tongue--I think an accidental betrayal of knowledge.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:39 pm

I guess I'm the only one without a vote, so I'll stick it on CR. I find it hard to believe that was a slip of any kind. That would be incredibly sloppy.

Chaosraven

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:41 pm

coopasonic wrote:I guess I'm the only one without a vote, so I'll stick it on CR. I find it hard to believe that was a slip of any kind. That would be incredibly sloppy.

Chaosraven

I don't understand. You don't think it was a slip of any kind (because that would be too slopy), which would mean that you think he was presenting an honest argument, I guess? But you're voting for him?