Ah, sorry...my mistake. I thought Combat Blimps of Pentos was a nickname for an out of shape military.
"They're marching on Kings Landing right now, my leige. They should be....no...no...wait...they found an Old Country Buffet. They're settling in. Sir...I think we can call off the evacuation at this point. If I remember correctly, OCB has something called a "bottomless shrimp" special."
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:21 pm
by Jaymann
At last it can be revealed: The reason GRRM hasn't finished The Winds of Winter is because he has been commissioned to finish The Kingkiller Chronicles. Rothfuss doesn't know how to kill a king, and GRRM knows little else.
pr0ner wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:03 pmHe's never going to actually finish this series.
I finally came to accept that around 2011, when the last book came out. Rather than wrapping up, he's on an increasing curve:
Book 2: 2 years
Book 3: 2 years
Book 4: 5 years
Book 5: 6 years
Book 6: 11+ years (GRRM age 74+)
Book 7: 15 years (GRRM age 88+)
Book 8: 20 years (GRRM age 108+)
At this point I wouldn't bet that Brandon Sanderson will be around to write the final book.
Book 8? I thought the "plan" was that the series would end in book 7.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:19 pm
by Zaxxon
Daveman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:10 pm
Book 8? I thought the "plan" was that the series would end in book 7.
Sweet summer child...
The plan was for the series to be 3 books. It's possible it'll 'end' in 7 (well, it's guaranteed it will at this point), but I can't imagine GRRM getting everything in just two more books.
Daveman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:10 pm
Book 8? I thought the "plan" was that the series would end in book 7.
Sweet summer child...
I can't imagine GRRM getting everything in just two more books.
Doable if his editor prevents him from using the word "nightsoil"
I don't know. We might just end up with more rashers of bacon and lamprey pies.
Fun fact: I recently learned of a medieval French king who is said to have died from eating too many lampreys.
Apparently they are delicious as hell. I feel sure GRRM knew this factoid and ran with it.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:39 pm
by Archinerd
There is an english style pub in the city that has lamprey pie on the menu... or at least used to, I don't see it on the menu right now. Maybe it's seasonal? https://www.pleasanthousepub.com/
I'd like to go there sometime before the next book is finished.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:43 pm
by Holman
Apparently lampreys and river eels are equally tasty.
When the pilgrims and other Europeans arrive in New England, the rivers were thick with eels. They were quickly eaten into rarity.
Eels rather than turkey were probably the centerpiece of the first Thanksgiving.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:49 pm
by hepcat
I’m not sure I’m sold on lamprey pie. Even if all new kings and queens demand it.
But I’ve always believed that 90 percent of all food was created on a dare.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:12 pm
by Scuzz
Archinerd wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:39 pm
There is an english style pub in the city that has lamprey pie on the menu... or at least used to, I don't see it on the menu right now. Maybe it's seasonal? https://www.pleasanthousepub.com/
I'd like to go there sometime before the next book is finished.
You probably don’t have to hurry then.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:00 pm
by stessier
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:43 pm
Apparently lampreys and river eels are equally tasty.
When the pilgrims and other Europeans arrive in New England, the rivers were thick with eels. They were quickly eaten into rarity.
Eels rather than turkey were probably the centerpiece of the first Thanksgiving.
Very random - did you know that all eels are river eels? We used to think there were different species but it turns out all eels go through a life cycle where they spend part of their time in rivers. I listed to a podcast on eel sex and it was really fascinating for shining a light on how little we know about the world.
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:43 pm
Apparently lampreys and river eels are equally tasty.
When the pilgrims and other Europeans arrive in New England, the rivers were thick with eels. They were quickly eaten into rarity.
Eels rather than turkey were probably the centerpiece of the first Thanksgiving.
Very random - did you know that all eels are river eels? We used to think there were different species but it turns out all eels go through a life cycle where they spend part of their time in rivers. I listed to a podcast on eel sex and it was really fascinating for shining a light on how little we know about the world.
I also recently learned this, as well as that they (as in all eels in an extremely large geographical area) seem to spawn in the same location. Olds will return to the spawning area, and the kids will magically know where to return to.
Holman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:43 pm
Apparently lampreys and river eels are equally tasty.
When the pilgrims and other Europeans arrive in New England, the rivers were thick with eels. They were quickly eaten into rarity.
Eels rather than turkey were probably the centerpiece of the first Thanksgiving.
Very random - did you know that all eels are river eels? We used to think there were different species but it turns out all eels go through a life cycle where they spend part of their time in rivers. I listened to a podcast on eel sex and it was really fascinating for shining a light on how little we know about the world.
I also recently learned this, as well as that they (as in all eels in an extremely large geographical area) seem to spawn in the same location. Olds will return to the spawning area, and the kids will magically know where to return to.
Yes! And that area is in salt water which is why it took so long to figure out. Scientists knew they had never seen river eels having sex and had no idea where they came from - turns out from salt water. And those look nothing like the eels in rivers. Mother Nature can be really weird.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:42 pm
by hepcat
What do you do for a living, dad?
I watch eels having sex.
If it's all the same to you pop, I'm going to tell my friends you're a fireman.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:55 pm
by Hrothgar
Note to self: Never mention lamprey pies again. It just leads to slippery salt water eel sex.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:00 pm
by Zaxxon
Hrothgar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:55 pm
Note to self: Never mention lamprey pies again. It just leads to slippery salt water eel sex.
Whatever you do, don't get stessier started on nightsoil.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:14 pm
by Isgrimnur
>Neep<
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:09 pm
by El Guapo
hepcat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:42 pm
What do you do for a living, dad?
I watch eels having sex.
If it's all the same to you pop, I'm going to tell my friends you're a fireman.
God, who is it here who masturbates horses for a living?
hepcat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:42 pm
What do you do for a living, dad?
I watch eels having sex.
If it's all the same to you pop, I'm going to tell my friends you're a fireman.
God, who is it here who masturbates horses for a living?
Knowing this group, the question is more who DOESN’T.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:22 pm
by Unagi
for a living? My god I feel so cheap now.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:32 pm
by Jeff V
So Martin endowed Northwestern with $5 million to start a scholarship fund. I suppose the goal is to find someone clever enough to complete the story and tie up all of the loose ends in a satisfactory manner.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:33 pm
by Jeff V
Unagi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:22 pm
for a living? My god I feel so cheap now.
Well, if you didn't love it so much you'd have taken my advice and charged market price for doing it.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:34 pm
by pr0ner
LOL.
Martin does say in the video he has another 400-500 pages of TWoW to go. JFC.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:40 pm
by Smoove_B
Well, at least he has a sense of humor about it. But yeah, he's never going to finish. A hundred pages a year average? Good night.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:45 pm
by pr0ner
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:39 pm
He's going to cock it up. Mark my words -- one way or another this will end badly.
“The main thing I’m actually writing, of course, is the same thing,” Martin recently said of Winds in an appearance on Bangcast. “I wish I could write as fast as [Last Kingdom writer] Bernard Cornwell but I’m 12 years late on this damn novel and I’m struggling with it,” Martin said.
“I have like 1,100 pages written but I still have hundreds more pages to go,” the writer continued. “It’s a big mother of a book for whatever reason. Maybe I should’ve started writing smaller books when I began, this but it’s tough. That’s the main thing that dominates most of my working life.”
That 1,100 number is familiar to anyone who has now been following the story of Winds of Winter being written for a decent chunk of their life—it’s the same page count Martin gave roughly this time last year, when he discussed the novel on The Late Show With Stephen Colbert. Then, Martin estimated that he had around another 500 pages or more to write, having previously estimated that Winds would be the longest novel in the series so far, trumping the approximately 1,500 page manuscripts for Dance with Dragons and Storm of Swords.
Daveman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:10 pm
Book 8? I thought the "plan" was that the series would end in book 7.
Sweet summer child...
The plan was for the series to be 3 books. It's possible it'll 'end' in 7 (well, it's guaranteed it will at this point), but I can't imagine GRRM getting everything in just two more books.
“The main thing I’m actually writing, of course, is the same thing,” Martin recently said of Winds in an appearance on Bangcast. “I wish I could write as fast as [Last Kingdom writer] Bernard Cornwell but I’m 12 years late on this damn novel and I’m struggling with it,” Martin said.
“I have like 1,100 pages written but I still have hundreds more pages to go,” the writer continued. “It’s a big mother of a book for whatever reason. Maybe I should’ve started writing smaller books when I began, this but it’s tough. That’s the main thing that dominates most of my working life.”
That 1,100 number is familiar to anyone who has now been following the story of Winds of Winter being written for a decent chunk of their life—it’s the same page count Martin gave roughly this time last year, when he discussed the novel on The Late Show With Stephen Colbert. Then, Martin estimated that he had around another 500 pages or more to write, having previously estimated that Winds would be the longest novel in the series so far, trumping the approximately 1,500 page manuscripts for Dance with Dragons and Storm of Swords.
Why doesn't he just take some chunk of that (700, 800, 1,000 pages, whatever make sense) publish that, and then fold the rest into a next book?
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:48 pm
by Sudy
Gordon Ramsay wouldn't serve someone two thirds of a slice of Beef Wellington!!
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:05 pm
by Blackhawk
Just have Martin and Rothfuss pool their resources and hire Sanderson.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:06 pm
by Scuzz
Book 5 in my paperback comes in at just over 1,040 pages. So if it was 1,500 as a manuscript then so far Martin only has about 650 publishable pages.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:40 pm
by Blackhawk
Just pull a 90s TSR: Reduce the page size slightly, increase the margins slightly, up the font size a little - bam! 400 more pages!
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:14 am
by Carpet_pissr
7 or so posts after this gem was dropped, and not even a peep?! You disappoint me, OO.
"Martin recently said of Winds in an appearance on Bangcast"
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:20 am
by Isgrimnur
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:54 am
by Moliere
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:40 pm
Just pull a 90s TSR: Reduce the page size slightly, increase the margins slightly, up the font size a little - bam! 400 more pages!
This has been the strategy for Mark Greaney after he replaced Tom Clancy. Giant margins and large text so you think you're buying the typical door stop Clancy novel.
Re: The Winds of Winter [GRRM] [NotDoneYet]
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:51 am
by coopasonic
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:14 am
7 or so posts after this gem was dropped, and not even a peep?! You disappoint me, OO.
"Martin recently said of Winds in an appearance on Bangcast"
Despite all appearances, we aren't actually all 12. Particularly those among us that read 1000+ page novels.
