RunningMn9 wrote:This is a completely fabricated panic. It's insanity.
That's would I would expect an Ebola Czar to come out and say. Repeatedly. To news organizations. On TV. On the Twitter.
That's why they put a lawyer in there. He's not going to say everything is a-ok. That's what Tom Frieden did and he's getting crucified for it. Ebolazar will make you think he's saying everything is a-ok without actually saying that everything is a-ok. So if it turns out fine, you'll think he was right. If it turns into a disaster, you'll pull his quote and by god, he hedged just enough not to be wrong.
Oh, and on the Surgeon General, he's probably to valuable to use on a sacrificial post like the Ebolazar.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
Blackhawk wrote:Rip is right. Enough of this rationality and common sense. I'm going to panic instead.
The cool thing about disease-panic is that you don't leave the house to do it. Quite the opposite. That suits me just fine.
Ebola outbreak = more time for gaming? Blackhawk is right. Who's emphasizing the positives in all this? I'm going to start an Oprah-inspired Ebola appreciation diary.
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Oh, and on the Surgeon General, he's probably to valuable to use on a sacrificial post like the Ebolazar.
So valuable that the job can stay open for another year and a half?
The individual who has been mentioned in the thread (and bandied about elsewhere for the job), not the actual post of Surgeon General.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
Syracuse U disinvited a Pulitzer-winning photojournalist from a journalism workshop because he has been covering Ebola in Liberia. He returned to the U.S. three weeks ago and has shown no signs or symptoms of any disease.
Smoove_B wrote:Never thought I'd live to see the day an Emergency Operations Center is activated because someone vomited near the Pentagon.
According to County officials the woman had traveled to West Africa. According to people who interviewed her she hasn't been out of the country and hospital officials say that she doesn't fit the criteria of having Ebola. Many people confused as to why the County said she went to West Africa. Story on Washington Post.
"Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those Black jobs?"
-Michelle Obama 2024 Democratic Convention
Wise words of warning from Smoove B: Oh, how you all laughed when I warned you about the semen. Well, who's laughing now?
It's 109 first team All-Americans.
It's a college football record 61 bowl appearances.
It's 34 bowl victories.
It's 24 Southeastern Conference Championships.
It's 15 National Championships.
At some places they play football. At Alabama we live it.
It's 109 first team All-Americans.
It's a college football record 61 bowl appearances.
It's 34 bowl victories.
It's 24 Southeastern Conference Championships.
It's 15 National Championships.
At some places they play football. At Alabama we live it.
Good is a relative term. The writer opens his article with reactionary phrases, like he actually knows something and yet he has no medical training. Hes a student/writer. A janitor in a hospital has hazmat training. Hell, Im a certified first responder and have had hazmat training. It does provide some information about hazmat suits and such but his opening is bullshit.
This is how he opens his article.
Ebola is brilliant.
It is a superior virus that has evolved and fine-tuned its mechanism of transmission to be near-perfect. That's why we're all so terrified. We know we can't destroy it. All we can do is try to divert it, outrun it.
Here is the actual truth about ebola direct from the CDC:
The Ebola virus is easily killed by soap, bleach, sunlight, and high temperatures or drying. Machine-washing clothes that have been contaminated with fluids will destroy Ebola virus. Ebola virus survives only a short time on surfaces that are in the sun or have dried.
Way to feed into fear mongering to promote your article, Mr. Hazmat Professional.
Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
I thought the same thing when I saw it. "It is a superior virus that has evolved and fine-tuned its mechanism of transmission to be near-perfect." That's Hollywood hype, not science.
I guess the author also never heard about good ole Influenza either. But I liked reading about the PPE details as the article went on. And she had a valid point about our health care system later in the article.
"Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those Black jobs?"
-Michelle Obama 2024 Democratic Convention
Wise words of warning from Smoove B: Oh, how you all laughed when I warned you about the semen. Well, who's laughing now?
A local pharmacy was shut down today for an hour because they reported that a customer was showing signs of having Ebola. In semi-rural NJ. Hotbed of the Ebola outbreak.
Authorities arrived and sealed off the pharmacy - before concluding that the customer didn't have any symptoms of Ebola.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
RunningMn9 wrote:A local pharmacy was shut down today for an hour because they reported that a customer was showing signs of having Ebola.
I see your local pharmacy story and raise you one teacher suspended with pay in Maine because she attended a conference in Dallas:
An elementary school teacher in Maine has been placed on leave for 21 days, the incubation period of Ebola, after she visited Dallas to attend an educational conference. The teacher did not come into contact with anybody who had tested positive for the virus, but did stay at a hotel “exactly 9.5 miles away from Texas Health Presbyterian,” where Ebola patients have been treated.
Sounds like it's time to just wall off Texas and cut our losses.
RunningMn9 wrote:A local pharmacy was shut down today for an hour because they reported that a customer was showing signs of having Ebola.
I see your local pharmacy story and raise you one teacher suspended with pay in Maine because she attended a conference in Dallas:
An elementary school teacher in Maine has been placed on leave for 21 days, the incubation period of Ebola, after she visited Dallas to attend an educational conference. The teacher did not come into contact with anybody who had tested positive for the virus, but did stay at a hotel “exactly 9.5 miles away from Texas Health Presbyterian,” where Ebola patients have been treated.
Sounds like it's time to just wall off Texas and cut our losses.
Nope not good enough, Nuke em till they glow! Make Texas a parking lot, its the only way to be safe.
Well do you ever get the feeling that the story's too damn real and in the present tense?
Or that everybody's on the stage and it seems like you're the only person sitting in the audience?
RunningMn9 wrote:A local pharmacy was shut down today for an hour because they reported that a customer was showing signs of having Ebola.
I see your local pharmacy story and raise you one teacher suspended with pay in Maine because she attended a conference in Dallas:
An elementary school teacher in Maine has been placed on leave for 21 days, the incubation period of Ebola, after she visited Dallas to attend an educational conference. The teacher did not come into contact with anybody who had tested positive for the virus, but did stay at a hotel “exactly 9.5 miles away from Texas Health Presbyterian,” where Ebola patients have been treated.
Dallas's new tourism slogan: "Visit Dallas, get 3 weeks paid vacation!"
A milestone of sorts: today is the last day of quarantine for Liberian patient Thomas Duncan's family members who were living with him before his hospitalization. None of them are showing signs of Ebola even though they cared for him well into the beginning of his infectious stage.
Spanish nurse is now testing negative to virus, so looks like she's beat it. rest of her family and contacts still in quarantine naturally. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29683616
An elementary school teacher in Maine has been placed on leave for 21 days, the incubation period of Ebola, after she visited Dallas to attend an educational conference. The teacher did not come into contact with anybody who had tested positive for the virus, but did stay at a hotel “exactly 9.5 miles away from Texas Health Presbyterian,” where Ebola patients have been treated.
Obviously well within the 12 mile record listed in the projectile vomiting hall of fame.
Secretary Kerry named Ambassador Nancy Powell to lead the Ebola Coordination Unit at the Department of State. In this role, Ambassador Powell will lead the State Department’s outreach to international partners, including foreign governments, to ensure a speedy and truly global response to this crisis.
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Ambassador Powell most recently served as U.S. Ambassador to India. Prior to that, she was the Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources. Ambassador Powell previously served as the State Department’s Senior Coordinator for Avian Influenza, a role for which she was honored with the Homeland Security Service to America Medal in 2006.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
Edit: Oh, that NY Doctor news. Why isn't quarantine part of the protocol for Doctors Without Borders when they are returning from dealing with this kind of crap? You would think that they understand the risk that they pose to the people around them.
Of course, if he suspected anything, maybe he wanted to get some of that magic anti-ebola medicine we secretly had.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
A New York City hospital is running Ebola tests on a healthcare worker who returned to the United States from West Africa with a fever and gastrointestinal symptoms, the city's Health Department said on Thursday.
Preliminary test results were expected in the next 12 hours, the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene said in a statement.
The patient being treated at Bellevue Hospital is a healthcare worker who returned to the United States within the past 21 days from one of the three African countries facing the Ebola outbreak, it said.
And it sounds like he was traveling about the city before the fever set in and he went to the hospital.
NYT wrote:Even as the authorities worked to confirm that Mr. Spencer was infected with Ebola, it emerged that he traveled from Manhattan to Brooklyn on the subway on Wednesday night, when he went to a bowling alley, and then took a taxi home. The next morning, he reported having a temperature of 103 degrees, raising questions about his health while he was out in public.
I think he really should have quarantined himself for much longer
I forgot to call it "a box of pure malevolent evil, a purveyor of
insidious insanity, an eldritch manifestation that would make Bill
Gates let out a low whistle of admiration," but it's all those, too.
-- David Gerard, Re: [Mediawiki-l] Wikitext grammar, 2010.08.06
A doctor who worked in West Africa with Ebola patients was in an isolation unit in New York City on Friday after testing positive for the virus, becoming the fourth person diagnosed with the disease in the United States and the first in its largest city.
Dr. Craig Spencer, 33, was quarantined at Bellevue Hospital on Thursday, six days after returning from Guinea, unnerving financial markets amid concern the virus may spread in the city. The three previous cases were in Dallas.
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Meanwhile, Nina Pham, one of two nurses infected with Ebola after treating the first patient diagnosed with the disease in the United States, was declared virus-free.
A nurse who was confined against her will at a New Jersey hospital after returning from West Africa where she treated Ebola patients said Wednesday that she's prepared to go to court if the state of Maine tries to quarantine her.
Kaci Hickox spoke to NBC's "Today" show and ABC's "Good Morning America" from Fort Kent, where her boyfriend is a senior nursing student.
She said she has so far abided by the state's voluntary quarantine. She had no contact with anyone Tuesday and will have no human contact again Wednesday, she said.
"I don't plan on sticking to the guidelines," Hickox said on "Today." "I remain appalled by these home quarantine policies that have been forced upon me even though I am in perfectly good health."
Her lawyer told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Hickox isn't willing to cooperate further unless the state lifts "all or most of the restrictions."
Hickox, who volunteered in Africa with Doctors Without Borders, was the first person forced into New Jersey's mandatory quarantine for people arriving at Newark Liberty International Airport from three West African countries.
Illinois backed off the automatic quarantine. They will now evaluate each case and check for symptoms. I think the other states did the same.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
Her lawyer told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Hickox isn't willing to cooperate further unless the state lifts "all or most of the restrictions."
Aren't the restrictions the thing we want her cooperation/compliance with? Or are there other restrictions, like no Twinkies, that don't otherwise restrict the possible spread of an infectious disease?
I have no sympathy as long as it's a reasonable policy with a scientific justification. You can't quarantine everyone, but a medical worker who was exposed? Yes.
"A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on." -Terry Pratchett, The Truth "The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to those who think they've found it." -Terry Pratchett, Monstrous Regiment
Zarathud wrote:I have no sympathy as long as it's a reasonable policy with a scientific justification. You can't quarantine everyone, but a medical worker who was exposed? Yes.
But that's the issue - there IS no scientific justification. All of the science says, pretty clearly, that you're not contagious unless you're symptomatic. Quarantining an asymptomatic nurse in an unheated tent to crap in a box for three weeks (or even three days, as it turned out), has no justification except in political grandstanding that plays on public fear.
It's also asinine in that people will just tend to avoid it. They'll fly into someplace that doesn't have such a ridiculous "imprison the potentially-sick just to be safe" rule, like Atlanta, and then drive home. And if they happen to become symptomatic during the drive, oh well. Instead of being snug in their home self-monitoring, they're out on the highway and now it's a problem.
