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Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:50 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Smoove_B wrote:RunningMn9 wrote:This is a completely fabricated panic. It's insanity.
That's would I would expect an Ebola Czar to come out and say. Repeatedly. To news organizations. On TV. On the Twitter.
That's why they put a lawyer in there. He's not going to say everything is a-ok. That's what Tom Frieden did and he's getting crucified for it. Ebolazar will make you think he's saying everything is a-ok without actually saying that everything is a-ok. So if it turns out fine, you'll think he was right. If it turns into a disaster, you'll pull his quote and by god, he hedged just enough not to be wrong.
Oh, and on the Surgeon General, he's probably to valuable to use on a sacrificial post like the Ebolazar.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:59 pm
by Isgrimnur
LawBeefaroni wrote:Ebolazar
BAM!
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:00 pm
by Kraken
LawBeefaroni wrote:
Oh, and on the Surgeon General, he's probably to valuable to use on a sacrificial post like the Ebolazar.
So valuable that the job can stay open for another year and a half?
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:01 pm
by $iljanus
Ebolazar. The first positive thing that has come out of the creation of such a position is Lawbeef's coining of the term "Ebolazar". Beautiful!
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:05 pm
by Blackhawk
Captain Caveman wrote:Blackhawk wrote:Rip is right. Enough of this rationality and common sense. I'm going to panic instead.
The cool thing about disease-panic is that you don't leave the house to do it. Quite the opposite. That suits me just fine.
Ebola outbreak = more time for gaming? Blackhawk is right. Who's emphasizing the positives in all this? I'm going to start an Oprah-inspired Ebola appreciation diary.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:26 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Kraken wrote:LawBeefaroni wrote:
Oh, and on the Surgeon General, he's probably to valuable to use on a sacrificial post like the Ebolazar.
So valuable that the job can stay open for another year and a half?
The individual who has been mentioned in the thread (and bandied about elsewhere for the job), not the actual post of Surgeon General.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:50 pm
by Holman
Syracuse U
disinvited a Pulitzer-winning photojournalist from a journalism workshop because he has been covering Ebola in Liberia. He returned to the U.S. three weeks ago and has shown no signs or symptoms of any disease.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:32 pm
by $iljanus
Smoove_B wrote:Never thought I'd live to see the day an Emergency Operations Center is activated because someone vomited near the
Pentagon.
According to County officials the woman had traveled to West Africa. According to people who interviewed her she hasn't been out of the country and hospital officials say that she doesn't fit the criteria of having Ebola. Many people confused as to why the County said she went to West Africa. Story on Washington Post.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:40 pm
by msduncan
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:34 pm
by Brian
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:50 pm
by msduncan
Brian wrote:
Only if he traded it in towards Call of Duty.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:06 pm
by rshetts2
Good is a relative term. The writer opens his article with reactionary phrases, like he actually knows something and yet he has no medical training. Hes a student/writer. A janitor in a hospital has hazmat training. Hell, Im a certified first responder and have had hazmat training. It does provide some information about hazmat suits and such but his opening is bullshit.
This is how he opens his article.
Ebola is brilliant.
It is a superior virus that has evolved and fine-tuned its mechanism of transmission to be near-perfect. That's why we're all so terrified. We know we can't destroy it. All we can do is try to divert it, outrun it.
Here is the actual truth about ebola direct from the CDC:
The Ebola virus is easily killed by soap, bleach, sunlight, and high temperatures or drying. Machine-washing clothes that have been contaminated with fluids will destroy Ebola virus. Ebola virus survives only a short time on surfaces that are in the sun or have dried.
Way to feed into fear mongering to promote your article, Mr. Hazmat Professional.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:02 am
by Holman
I thought the same thing when I saw it. "It is a superior virus that has evolved and fine-tuned its mechanism of transmission to be near-perfect." That's Hollywood hype, not science.
Now, Polio. *There* was a virus.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:34 am
by $iljanus
I guess the author also never heard about good ole Influenza either. But I liked reading about the PPE details as the article went on. And she had a valid point about our health care system later in the article.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:00 pm
by em2nought
Uh oh, ISIS is making Ebola candy for operation "Halloween"
http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=477397
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:45 pm
by RunningMn9
A local pharmacy was shut down today for an hour because they reported that a customer was showing signs of having Ebola. In semi-rural NJ. Hotbed of the Ebola outbreak.
Authorities arrived and sealed off the pharmacy - before concluding that the customer didn't have any symptoms of Ebola.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:55 pm
by Holman
The hypochondria will be amazing with this one. I'm surprised emergency rooms aren't reporting more pseudo cases.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:39 pm
by BooTx
You just wait till flu season is upon us.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:37 am
by Smoove_B
RunningMn9 wrote:A local pharmacy was shut down today for an hour because they reported that a customer was showing signs of having Ebola.
I see your local pharmacy story and raise you one teacher suspended with pay in Maine because she attended a conference in
Dallas:
An elementary school teacher in Maine has been placed on leave for 21 days, the incubation period of Ebola, after she visited Dallas to attend an educational conference. The teacher did not come into contact with anybody who had tested positive for the virus, but did stay at a hotel “exactly 9.5 miles away from Texas Health Presbyterian,” where Ebola patients have been treated.
Sounds like it's time to just wall off Texas and cut our losses.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:10 am
by rshetts2
Smoove_B wrote:RunningMn9 wrote:A local pharmacy was shut down today for an hour because they reported that a customer was showing signs of having Ebola.
I see your local pharmacy story and raise you one teacher suspended with pay in Maine because she attended a conference in
Dallas:
An elementary school teacher in Maine has been placed on leave for 21 days, the incubation period of Ebola, after she visited Dallas to attend an educational conference. The teacher did not come into contact with anybody who had tested positive for the virus, but did stay at a hotel “exactly 9.5 miles away from Texas Health Presbyterian,” where Ebola patients have been treated.
Sounds like it's time to just wall off Texas and cut our losses.
Nope not good enough, Nuke em till they glow! Make Texas a parking lot, its the only way to be safe.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:34 am
by Ralph-Wiggum
Smoove_B wrote:RunningMn9 wrote:A local pharmacy was shut down today for an hour because they reported that a customer was showing signs of having Ebola.
I see your local pharmacy story and raise you one teacher suspended with pay in Maine because she attended a conference in
Dallas:
An elementary school teacher in Maine has been placed on leave for 21 days, the incubation period of Ebola, after she visited Dallas to attend an educational conference. The teacher did not come into contact with anybody who had tested positive for the virus, but did stay at a hotel “exactly 9.5 miles away from Texas Health Presbyterian,” where Ebola patients have been treated.
Dallas's new tourism slogan: "Visit Dallas, get 3 weeks paid vacation!"
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:07 pm
by Holman
A milestone of sorts: today is the last day of quarantine for Liberian patient Thomas Duncan's family members who were living with him before his hospitalization. None of them are showing signs of Ebola even though they cared for him well into the beginning of his infectious stage.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:20 pm
by Stefan Stirzaker
Spanish nurse is now testing negative to virus, so looks like she's beat it. rest of her family and contacts still in quarantine naturally.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29683616
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:18 am
by Jeff V
Smoove_B wrote:
An elementary school teacher in Maine has been placed on leave for 21 days, the incubation period of Ebola, after she visited Dallas to attend an educational conference. The teacher did not come into contact with anybody who had tested positive for the virus, but did stay at a hotel “exactly 9.5 miles away from Texas Health Presbyterian,” where Ebola patients have been treated.
Obviously well within the 12 mile record listed in the projectile vomiting hall of fame.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:48 am
by Smoove_B
LawBeefaroni wrote:If it turns into a disaster, you'll pull his quote and by god, he hedged just enough not to be wrong.
So, when you don't go to
meetings, does that help build plausible deniability?
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:26 am
by $iljanus
Smoove_B wrote:LawBeefaroni wrote:If it turns into a disaster, you'll pull his quote and by god, he hedged just enough not to be wrong.
So, when you don't go to
meetings, does that help build plausible deniability?
Hey, Ebolazar doesn't do meetings. All information flows toward him via his minions.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:36 am
by LawBeefaroni
$iljanus wrote:Smoove_B wrote:LawBeefaroni wrote:If it turns into a disaster, you'll pull his quote and by god, he hedged just enough not to be wrong.
So, when you don't go to
meetings, does that help build plausible deniability?
Hey, Ebolazar doesn't do meetings. All information flows toward him via his minions.
Participants:
...
Nancy Powell, State Department Ebola Coordinator
Bam!
Coordinated!
Secretary Kerry named Ambassador Nancy Powell to lead the Ebola Coordination Unit at the Department of State. In this role, Ambassador Powell will lead the State Department’s outreach to international partners, including foreign governments, to ensure a speedy and truly global response to this crisis.
...
Ambassador Powell most recently served as U.S. Ambassador to India. Prior to that, she was the Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources. Ambassador Powell previously served as the State Department’s Senior Coordinator for Avian Influenza, a role for which she was honored with the Homeland Security Service to America Medal in 2006.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:26 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Guess the moment the NY Doctor news broke:
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:53 pm
by RunningMn9
What NY Doctor news?
Edit: Oh, that NY Doctor news. Why isn't quarantine part of the protocol for Doctors Without Borders when they are returning from dealing with this kind of crap? You would think that they understand the risk that they pose to the people around them.
Of course, if he suspected anything, maybe he wanted to get some of that magic anti-ebola medicine we secretly had.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:56 pm
by Isgrimnur
This news.
A New York City hospital is running Ebola tests on a healthcare worker who returned to the United States from West Africa with a fever and gastrointestinal symptoms, the city's Health Department said on Thursday.
Preliminary test results were expected in the next 12 hours, the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene said in a statement.
The patient being treated at Bellevue Hospital is a healthcare worker who returned to the United States within the past 21 days from one of the three African countries facing the Ebola outbreak, it said.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:39 pm
by xwraith
Ebola confirmed in NY
And it sounds like he was traveling about the city before the fever set in and he went to the hospital.
NYT wrote:Even as the authorities worked to confirm that Mr. Spencer was infected with Ebola, it emerged that he traveled from Manhattan to Brooklyn on the subway on Wednesday night, when he went to a bowling alley, and then took a taxi home. The next morning, he reported having a temperature of 103 degrees, raising questions about his health while he was out in public.
I think he really should have quarantined himself for much longer
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:25 pm
by Isgrimnur
Reuters
A doctor who worked in West Africa with Ebola patients was in an isolation unit in New York City on Friday after testing positive for the virus, becoming the fourth person diagnosed with the disease in the United States and the first in its largest city.
Dr. Craig Spencer, 33, was quarantined at Bellevue Hospital on Thursday, six days after returning from Guinea, unnerving financial markets amid concern the virus may spread in the city. The three previous cases were in Dallas.
...
Meanwhile, Nina Pham, one of two nurses infected with Ebola after treating the first patient diagnosed with the disease in the United States, was declared virus-free.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:45 pm
by Zaxxon
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:59 pm
by J.D.
Probably?
PROBABLY???
WHAT DO YOU MEAN "PROBABLY"?????
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:50 pm
by Smoove_B
Since it's public now...
Governor President announces mandatory quarantine in conjunction with NY State for anyone traveling from West Africa that has reported contact with Ebola patients.
Congrats to mystery traveler at Newark - the first to experience NY/NJ quarantine.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:57 am
by Isgrimnur
Nurse:
quarantine is inhumane
A nurse who was confined against her will at a New Jersey hospital after returning from West Africa where she treated Ebola patients said Wednesday that she's prepared to go to court if the state of Maine tries to quarantine her.
Kaci Hickox spoke to NBC's "Today" show and ABC's "Good Morning America" from Fort Kent, where her boyfriend is a senior nursing student.
She said she has so far abided by the state's voluntary quarantine. She had no contact with anyone Tuesday and will have no human contact again Wednesday, she said.
"I don't plan on sticking to the guidelines," Hickox said on "Today." "I remain appalled by these home quarantine policies that have been forced upon me even though I am in perfectly good health."
Her lawyer told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Hickox isn't willing to cooperate further unless the state lifts "all or most of the restrictions."
Hickox, who volunteered in Africa with Doctors Without Borders, was the first person forced into New Jersey's mandatory quarantine for people arriving at Newark Liberty International Airport from three West African countries.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:59 am
by LawBeefaroni
Illinois backed off the automatic quarantine. They will now evaluate each case and check for symptoms. I think the other states did the same.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:01 am
by Jeff V
Her lawyer told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Hickox isn't willing to cooperate further unless the state lifts "all or most of the restrictions."
Aren't the restrictions the thing we want her cooperation/compliance with? Or are there other restrictions, like no Twinkies, that don't otherwise restrict the possible spread of an infectious disease?
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:05 am
by Zarathud
I have no sympathy as long as it's a reasonable policy with a scientific justification. You can't quarantine everyone, but a medical worker who was exposed? Yes.
Re: [Health] The Infectious Diseases Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:17 am
by Odin
Zarathud wrote:I have no sympathy as long as it's a reasonable policy with a scientific justification. You can't quarantine everyone, but a medical worker who was exposed? Yes.
But that's the issue - there IS no scientific justification. All of the science says, pretty clearly, that you're not contagious unless you're symptomatic. Quarantining an asymptomatic nurse in an unheated tent to crap in a box for three weeks (or even three days, as it turned out), has no justification except in political grandstanding that plays on public fear.
It's also asinine in that people will just tend to avoid it. They'll fly into someplace that doesn't have such a ridiculous "imprison the potentially-sick just to be safe" rule, like Atlanta, and then drive home. And if they happen to become symptomatic during the drive, oh well. Instead of being snug in their home self-monitoring, they're out on the highway and now it's a problem.