JLA The Revenge of the Crime Syndicate GAMEOVER

[Moliere]

I very strongly suspect that we are about to discover that Moliere was exactly as he claimed himself to be: a mere regular normie.

Why 'very strongly' ?
I'm half expecting 'Joker'

Then the joke's on you.

[bb2112]

The double kill is huge, no way that is passed up. Right ?

I can think of two scenarios on why that would be passed up.

[Lassr]

Moliere at least gets me more info on whether there was a conversion or did Unagi protect El Guapo on night 2.

I don't follow that last part.

I can guarantee that Unagi did not protect me on night 2, since that hasn't happened yet (but it is about to).

You guys and your new way to count. The 2nd night of the game which i guess would be night 1 if you are using night 0 as night 1.

[Lassr]

Thanks guys. I'm glad I spent all that time putting together those charts everyone ignored.

I didn't ignore it, I just wasn't about to start a vote on myself. That would have told me nothing.

Moliere at least gets me more info on whether there was a conversion or did Unagi protect El Guapo on night 2.

I don't follow either part.

everyone keeps assuming there was a conversion. Low odds that Joker is in the game but we "know" we have a hero in the game that can protect (WW/Unagi). If Joker's participation is truly random then I think the odds lean toward Unagi protecting El Guapo more than a conversion so eliminating Moliere gets us a step closer to seeing if the 2 or 3 bad guys are truly the 3 unprovens left.

If they are not and we have a master plan being played out by the bad guys then kudos to them. And yes I remember Mara Jade which proves anything can happen no matter how miniscule the odds.

[Lassr]

Thanks guys. I'm glad I spent all that time putting together those charts everyone ignored.

I didn't ignore it, I just wasn't about to start a vote on myself. That would have told me nothing.

Moliere at least gets me more info on whether there was a conversion or did Unagi protect El Guapo on night 2.

I don't follow either part.

either part? Well the first part is I know I am not converted so killing me proves nothing to me. But I was willing to sacrifice if it helped everyone else (too late now though).

I explained my thinking on the other part above. Odds favor the last bad guys being in the 3 unprovens, so I am just playing the odds at the moment since we do not know which roles are in the game.

[bb2112]

Moliere at least gets me more info on whether there was a conversion

Well the first part is I know I am not converted so killing me proves nothing to me. But I was willing to sacrifice if it helped everyone else (too late now though).

That doesn't jive, but I don't think it is a "gotcha, you must be evil" mistake either. The comment and explanation doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Killing Moliere does nothing to prove a conversion one way or another.

Even killing you doesn't prove a conversion if you turned up evil. As you point out there is a small chance Joker is in the game and the bigger odds are he is not. I was just trying to protect against the one scenario that would most likely see us lose when we get to 4 people left in the village if it isn't already over by then.

Barring a conversion of a known, this game is pretty much wrapped up for the good guys.

[Lassr]

That doesn't jive, but I don't think it is a "gotcha, you must be evil" mistake either. The comment and explanation doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Killing Moliere does nothing to prove a conversion one way or another.

I didn't say it proved there was a conversion, I said it was step closer than killing me in my eyes. And when I say conversion, it really is finding the number of bad guys in the game, conversion or not since that can very from 2 to 3 to start.

[Chaosraven]

VOTES
0 Vorret -----------
1 Grundbegriff ------ moliere
0 El Guapo -------
0 triggercut ------
5 moliere --------- vorret. grundbegriff, unagi, lassr, el guapo
0 stessier
0 lassr
0 bb2112 ----------
0 unagi ------------

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Majority is Five

VOTING CLOSED

[Chaosraven]

As the tide turned his way, Moliere gave a sickening grin.

The lights dimmed and he gave a sigh.



MOLIERE WAS NORMAL

"I am *not* cleaning that up" thought Aquaman.

[Chaosraven]

IT IS NIGHT

Players with Night Orders, please get them in.

[El Guapo]

[bb2112]

Unagi, any last words?

[Unagi]

"good luck!" sounds nice and cliché (also, I don't like games with conversions).

[Unagi]

I will also add that I totally thought I was getting the bomb:

I very strongly suspect that we are about to discover that Moliere was exactly as he claimed himself to be: a mere regular normie.

Why 'very strongly' ?
I'm half expecting 'Joker'

Then the joke's on you.

[Grundbegriff]

I'm normal, so if I survive the night, you should off me tomorrow in order to clarify the situation.

[Lassr]

Note: If there was a conversion then that means the Joker would have to be Grund or BB or RMC.

[bb2112]

Note: If there was a conversion then that means the Joker would have to be Grund or BB or RMC.

Or you.

[Lassr]

Note: If there was a conversion then that means the Joker would have to be Grund or BB or RMC.

Or you.

In your head, not mine.

[bb2112]

Note: If there was a conversion then that means the Joker would have to be Grund or BB or RMC.

Or you.

In your head, not mine.

Regardless, it is still a possibility and should not be ignored.

[Chaosraven]

[Vorret]

Those baddies sure are taking their sweet sweet time again, geez

[stessier]

I think the Syndicate's plan is to let old age run it's course.

[Chaosraven]

In the morning, the League is horrified to find a Duo of Death.

TRIGGERCUT and UNAGI are Dead

[Chaosraven]

VOTES
0 Vorret -----------
0 Grundbegriff ------
0 El Guapo -------
0 stessier
0 lassr
0 bb2112 ----------

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Majority is Four

[bb2112]

In the morning, the League is horrified to find a Duo of Death.

TRIGGERCUT and UNAGI are Dead

That is unexpected. Trig would not have been dumb enough to contact Unagi. That seems too crazy. What other scenario would cause a double death???

[El Guapo]

In the morning, the League is horrified to find a Duo of Death.

TRIGGERCUT and UNAGI are Dead

That is unexpected. Trig would not have been dumb enough to contact Unagi. That seems too crazy. What other scenario would cause a double death???

Seems crazy, but I'm not sure there's any other explanation. I'll have to double-check the suite of hero powers, but I'm pretty sure that's the only possibility. On the plus side, I suppose this proves that Triggercut was Martian Manhunter. Not that there was much doubt about that, but still.

[bb2112]

I just read through the roles and I didn't see anything that could cause a double death but MM. If Trig was good, why would he contact Unagi? If Trig was converted, why would the villains set up a scenario that would kill him too?

Martian Manhunter - Martian Manhunter has Telepathy and must contact One Other Player each Night. He may contact the same person on consecutive nights. If either Martian Manhunter or his Contact are killed by the Villains that Night, both will die. If one is protected the protection does not extend to the other.

What am I missing here?

[bb2112]

VOTES
0 Vorret -----------
0 Grundbegriff ------
0 El Guapo -------
0 stessier
0 lassr
0 bb2112 ----------

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Majority is Four

Do you think Trig felt sorry for team evil and committed suicide to make things more even? My head is spinning.

[Lassr]

Hmmm. Trig must have assumed that they would kill Unagi instead of targeting him. I would have thought he would have tried visiting one of the potential bad guys to protect himself.

Did he think Unagi was faking somehow?

I say we go for the next in line, either BB or Grund.

Unless anyone thinks I still could be bad then I would say kill me now instead of later.

[bb2112]

Hmmm. Trig must have assumed that they would kill Unagi instead of targeting him. I would have thought he would have tried visiting one of the potential bad guys to protect himself.

Did he think Unagi was faking somehow?

I say we go for the next in line, either BB or Grund.

Unless anyone thinks I still could be bad then I would say kill me now instead of later.

Ok, let's start with Grund and go from there. He hasn't been useful all game. If we were going to kill you, we should have done it yesterday.

 Grundbe griff 
 

[Grundbegriff]

Seems reasonable. I certainly don't have an argument to the contrary.

Someone has to be the mole, and we have to hunt for that person.

I'm normal. I guess I'll propose  bb2112 
 


Wouldn't it be amusing if we're two normals bypassing an evil third party....

[bb2112]

In the morning, the League is horrified to find a Duo of Death.

TRIGGERCUT and UNAGI are Dead

That is unexpected. Trig would not have been dumb enough to contact Unagi. That seems too crazy. What other scenario would cause a double death???

Seems crazy, but I'm not sure there's any other explanation. I'll have to double-check the suite of hero powers, but I'm pretty sure that's the only possibility. On the plus side, I suppose this proves that Triggercut was Martian Manhunter. Not that there was much doubt about that, but still.

I'm looking forward to see if you find something I missed.

I don't think there was a doubt Trig was MM. Too many people confirmed him. The only question was, was he converted? Assuming Unagi was the target, why would he contact Unagi? And if Trig was the target, why would he contact Unagi? And if he was converted, why contact Unagi who was the night target, thereby reducing the villain team by one?

[stessier]

I've got nothin'. I thought there might be a way with Parasite faking MM (in which case Lassr was Evil), but the best I can do is kill off WW...I can't come up with a method that they both end up dead with one of them bad.

BB2112

Best guess.

[Vorret]

What a weird play by Trig

[El Guapo]

In the morning, the League is horrified to find a Duo of Death.

TRIGGERCUT and UNAGI are Dead

That is unexpected. Trig would not have been dumb enough to contact Unagi. That seems too crazy. What other scenario would cause a double death???

Seems crazy, but I'm not sure there's any other explanation. I'll have to double-check the suite of hero powers, but I'm pretty sure that's the only possibility. On the plus side, I suppose this proves that Triggercut was Martian Manhunter. Not that there was much doubt about that, but still.

I'm looking forward to see if you find something I missed.

I don't think there was a doubt Trig was MM. Too many people confirmed him. The only question was, was he converted? Assuming Unagi was the target, why would he contact Unagi? And if Trig was the target, why would he contact Unagi? And if he was converted, why contact Unagi who was the night target, thereby reducing the villain team by one?

No, no other way for a double kill. I was wondering whether the wonder twins had a suicide pact dynamic, but no. So trig had to have been MM, and presumably died scanning Unagi (for some reason).

I am inclined to go with

 grundbegriff 
 
today - quiet, unhelpful, giving me the heebie jeebies.

[Grundbegriff]

I am inclined to go with
 grundbegriff 
 
today - quiet, unhelpful, giving me the heebie jeebies.

How's that different from any other day?

Here's the deal:

Why would triggercut, as MM, contact a likely night-kill and thereby get himself umgebracht? As I say over and over in these games: people do weird things, people make mistakes, not everything is the fruit of thorough consideration, etc. Could simply be a matter of his being under RL pressure and thus not realizing he could increase his own safety by protecting a suspected evil. Could also be that they offed him directly and thus took down Unagi in passing. Who knows? Even the most rational people are people.

As for me, I'm normal. So you all should give some attention to whoever gets me killed today or tomorrow. The Nefarious Ne'er-do-wells know I'm innocent.

I don't know that bb2112 is evil; but I do know that I'm not, so it's marginally better overall to test bb2112 today.

Needless to say, he's free to flip that argument around. So do whatever seems best.

[stessier]

Stupid tablet (or stupid operator) - no tags on my last post.

 BB2112 
 

[Lassr]

I know that BB and/or Grund has to be a bad guy. I also know that from others point of view I could be a bad guy that was contacted by MM on the first night but decided against killing him the next night. Nevertheless a bad guy lies in that group.

It has to be Grund or BB.

I think I will go

 BB2112 
 

[Chaosraven]

VOTES
0 Vorret -----------
2 Grundbegriff ------ bb2112, el guapo
0 El Guapo -------
0 stessier
0 lassr
3 bb2112 ---------- grundbegriff, stessier, lassr

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Majority is Four

[El Guapo]

Ok then

 withdraw grundbegriff

Bb2112