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Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 3:28 pm
by Rip
Oh he picked up the Bill Clinton get me off attorney. All over but the hand waving now, reelection in the bag......

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 3:50 pm
by hepcat
I'm pretty sure Bill Clinton can't actually get reelected.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:30 pm
by Kraken
I don't know much about sports, but I do know that Ty Cobb is an old-timey baseball player who is very likely dead. So Trump's legal team is better off without him. Perhaps Babe Ruth is available.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 6:05 pm
by tgb
Kraken wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 4:30 pm I don't know much about sports, but I do know that Ty Cobb is an old-timey baseball player who is very likely dead. So Trump's legal team is better off without him. Perhaps Babe Ruth is available.
Yes, but Ty Cobb was a notorious racist and anti-Semite, which is why he was such a good fit.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 6:33 pm
by Rip
tgb wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 6:05 pm
Kraken wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 4:30 pm I don't know much about sports, but I do know that Ty Cobb is an old-timey baseball player who is very likely dead. So Trump's legal team is better off without him. Perhaps Babe Ruth is available.
Yes, but Ty Cobb was a notorious racist and anti-Semite, which is why he was such a good fit.
Yea, um no.

https://nypost.com/2015/05/31/how-ty-co ... -a-racist/

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:07 pm
by Enough
Rip wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 6:33 pm
tgb wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 6:05 pm
Kraken wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 4:30 pm I don't know much about sports, but I do know that Ty Cobb is an old-timey baseball player who is very likely dead. So Trump's legal team is better off without him. Perhaps Babe Ruth is available.
Yes, but Ty Cobb was a notorious racist and anti-Semite, which is why he was such a good fit.
Yea, um no.

https://nypost.com/2015/05/31/how-ty-co ... -a-racist/
Here you go.
Cobb once beat up a teammate, the pitcher Ed Siever, continuing to punch him after he was probably already unconscious and then kicking him in the face. He went into the stands and severely assaulted a heckler who was missing seven fingers, having lost them in a workplace accident, even as surrounding spectators yelled, “He has no hands!”

And consider: These incidents are recounted in Charles Leerhsen’s new biography, “Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty,” a book largely intended to rehabilitate its subject’s reputation.

In writing this combination early-­baseball history and legal brief, Leerhsen, a onetime editor at Sports Illustrated, has chosen a formidable reclamation project. Cobb’s image is not a fixer-upper; it’s a Superfund site.
Cobb once beat up a teammate, the pitcher Ed Siever, continuing to punch him after he was probably already unconscious and then kicking him in the face. He went into the stands and severely assaulted a heckler who was missing seven fingers, having lost them in a workplace accident, even as surrounding spectators yelled, “He has no hands!”
In several cases, Leerhsen absolves Cobb of a larger sin but leaves the underlying sin intact. In others, the biographer goes too far in sympathizing with his subject. In wrapping up the anecdote about Cobb attacking Siever, Leerhsen mentions the belated but sustained hazing the young Cobb had undergone at the hands of teammates, and writes, “At some point enough had to be enough.” But at some point did someone have to lose consciousness? Cobb may have liked children more than we’ve been led to believe, and he may have been a big reader (he tackled “Les Misérables” more than once), but he would still appear to be, in the final accounting, a jerk.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:25 pm
by Rip
Enough wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 7:07 pm
Rip wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 6:33 pm
tgb wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 6:05 pm
Kraken wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 4:30 pm I don't know much about sports, but I do know that Ty Cobb is an old-timey baseball player who is very likely dead. So Trump's legal team is better off without him. Perhaps Babe Ruth is available.
Yes, but Ty Cobb was a notorious racist and anti-Semite, which is why he was such a good fit.
Yea, um no.

https://nypost.com/2015/05/31/how-ty-co ... -a-racist/
Here you go.
Cobb once beat up a teammate, the pitcher Ed Siever, continuing to punch him after he was probably already unconscious and then kicking him in the face. He went into the stands and severely assaulted a heckler who was missing seven fingers, having lost them in a workplace accident, even as surrounding spectators yelled, “He has no hands!”

And consider: These incidents are recounted in Charles Leerhsen’s new biography, “Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty,” a book largely intended to rehabilitate its subject’s reputation.

In writing this combination early-­baseball history and legal brief, Leerhsen, a onetime editor at Sports Illustrated, has chosen a formidable reclamation project. Cobb’s image is not a fixer-upper; it’s a Superfund site.
Cobb once beat up a teammate, the pitcher Ed Siever, continuing to punch him after he was probably already unconscious and then kicking him in the face. He went into the stands and severely assaulted a heckler who was missing seven fingers, having lost them in a workplace accident, even as surrounding spectators yelled, “He has no hands!”
In several cases, Leerhsen absolves Cobb of a larger sin but leaves the underlying sin intact. In others, the biographer goes too far in sympathizing with his subject. In wrapping up the anecdote about Cobb attacking Siever, Leerhsen mentions the belated but sustained hazing the young Cobb had undergone at the hands of teammates, and writes, “At some point enough had to be enough.” But at some point did someone have to lose consciousness? Cobb may have liked children more than we’ve been led to believe, and he may have been a big reader (he tackled “Les Misérables” more than once), but he would still appear to be, in the final accounting, a jerk.
None of that says racist or anti-semite. Asshole sure but the world is full of assholes.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 8:01 pm
by Enough
Rip wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 7:25 pm
Enough wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 7:07 pm
Rip wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 6:33 pm
tgb wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 6:05 pm
Kraken wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 4:30 pm I don't know much about sports, but I do know that Ty Cobb is an old-timey baseball player who is very likely dead. So Trump's legal team is better off without him. Perhaps Babe Ruth is available.
Yes, but Ty Cobb was a notorious racist and anti-Semite, which is why he was such a good fit.
Yea, um no.

https://nypost.com/2015/05/31/how-ty-co ... -a-racist/
Here you go.
Cobb once beat up a teammate, the pitcher Ed Siever, continuing to punch him after he was probably already unconscious and then kicking him in the face. He went into the stands and severely assaulted a heckler who was missing seven fingers, having lost them in a workplace accident, even as surrounding spectators yelled, “He has no hands!”

And consider: These incidents are recounted in Charles Leerhsen’s new biography, “Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty,” a book largely intended to rehabilitate its subject’s reputation.

In writing this combination early-­baseball history and legal brief, Leerhsen, a onetime editor at Sports Illustrated, has chosen a formidable reclamation project. Cobb’s image is not a fixer-upper; it’s a Superfund site.
Cobb once beat up a teammate, the pitcher Ed Siever, continuing to punch him after he was probably already unconscious and then kicking him in the face. He went into the stands and severely assaulted a heckler who was missing seven fingers, having lost them in a workplace accident, even as surrounding spectators yelled, “He has no hands!”
In several cases, Leerhsen absolves Cobb of a larger sin but leaves the underlying sin intact. In others, the biographer goes too far in sympathizing with his subject. In wrapping up the anecdote about Cobb attacking Siever, Leerhsen mentions the belated but sustained hazing the young Cobb had undergone at the hands of teammates, and writes, “At some point enough had to be enough.” But at some point did someone have to lose consciousness? Cobb may have liked children more than we’ve been led to believe, and he may have been a big reader (he tackled “Les Misérables” more than once), but he would still appear to be, in the final accounting, a jerk.
None of that says racist or anti-semite. Asshole sure but the world is full of assholes.
Just making sure to share "the rest of the story" confirming he was a violent bastard that predictably was missing from the NY Post writeup on the book.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:32 pm
by GreenGoo
Rip wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 7:25 pm

None of that says racist or anti-semite. Asshole sure but the world is full of assholes.
And racist anti-semites, unfortunately.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:06 pm
by malchior
DO YOU THINK?


Rosenstein and top F.B.I. officials have come to suspect that some lawmakers were using their oversight authority to gain intelligence about that investigation so that it could be shared with the White House.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:39 am
by El Guapo

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 6:27 am
by Holman
More from Giuliani's awesome and totally not guilty-incompetent interview with Sean Hannity.


Rudy Giuliani just said on Fox that Trump fired Comey because Comey wouldn't tell Trump that he wasn't a target of the FBI's investigation.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 6:46 am
by msteelers
Can Giuliani really be this incompetent? I know the answer is yes, but it still amazes me.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:22 am
by raydude
Rip wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 7:25 pm
None of that says racist or anti-semite. Asshole sure but the world is full of assholes.
fixing tgb's quote:
Yes, but Ty Cobb was an asshole, which is why he was such a good fit.

Better?

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:23 am
by pr0ner
This gem popped up in Giuliani's interview last night, too:


Giuliani just referred to federal law enforcement agents from the district where he used to be US attorney as “stormtroopers.” What a despicable human being he is.
Meanwhile, in a Trump tweetstorm this morning:






Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA. These agreements are very common among celebrities and people of wealth. In this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels). The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair. Prior to its violation by Ms. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement. Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.
You'd almost think someone besides Trump wrote those tweets, but when "played no roll" popped up the author of them becomes clear.

Edit to add: Trump actually liked one of his own tweets out of that tweetstorm...maybe he didn't write them? Who knows.


Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:31 am
by Unagi
Image

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:34 am
by Unagi
Wow.

Did Trump just call Stormy an extortionist? I mean.... that's libel (she isn't making a false accusation) if they had an affair and she has proof.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:38 am
by Unagi
"...very common between celebrities and people of wealth..."

"Grab em by the pussy. You can do anything."

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:39 am
by pr0ner
From Mr. Fed:


Protip for federal criminal defense lawyers: when discussing a case on live television, make every effort to avoid accusing your client of money laundering.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 8:08 am
by malchior
Trump has a King Midas like touch for incompetence.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 8:38 am
by Smoove_B
This has to be a new strategy. I'll call it the "shooting people in the street" theory of legal tactics. If you make a super ridiculous statement potentially incriminating yourself or your client in casual "What's the big deal?" way, people will then question whether or not what you just said is actually a problem. Who would admit to crimes like that? Is that really a crime? No one would state they did something illegal in a calm, matter of fact way. I must be crazy!

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 9:03 am
by Chaz
I'm 1000% certain that a lawyer wrote this morning's tweets. Yes, there's a typo. Lawyers make typos too, especially when you don't necessarily have the best lawyers that make sure to have someone else proofread something before sending it out. More than that, Trump would probably have deleted and posted a corrected version by now. A lawyer using his account either wouldn't have access long enough to do that, or would be cautious enough around presidential record keeping requirements to maybe not want to delete a tweet from the President.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 9:15 am
by GreenGoo
Chaz wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 9:03 am I'm 1000% certain that a lawyer wrote this morning's tweets. Yes, there's a typo. Lawyers make typos too, especially when you don't necessarily have the best lawyers that make sure to have someone else proofread something before sending it out.
+1.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:08 am
by El Guapo

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:33 am
by Remus West
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 10:08 am
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:57 am
by Kurth
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 10:08 am
Hey! That guy is a college friend of mine. Small world.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 11:46 am
by GreenGoo
Unagi wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 7:38 am "...very common between celebrities and people of wealth..."

"Grab em by the pussy. You can do anything."
"For you poor, simple folk at home, this is completely normal and nothing to worry yourself about. NDAs are not for little people"

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:09 pm
by Unagi
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 7:23 am
I wonder if the misspelled "no roll" was meant to communicate: "don't flip" ? :think:

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:27 pm
by Skinypupy
Expect a tweetstorm of epic proportions very soon. The FBI wiretapped Cohen.
Federal investigators have wiretapped the phone lines of Michael Cohen, the longtime personal lawyer for President Donald Trump who is under investigation for a payment he made to an adult film star who alleged she had an affair with Trump, according to two people with knowledge of the legal proceedings involving Cohen.

It is not clear how long the wiretap has been authorized, but NBC News has learned it was in place in the weeks leading up to the raids on Cohen's offices, hotel room, and home in early April, according to one person with direct knowledge.

At least one phone call between a phone line associated with Cohen and the White House was intercepted, the person said.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:39 pm
by em2nought
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 7:23 am You'd almost think someone besides Trump wrote those tweets, but when "played no roll" popped up the author of them becomes clear.
Trump should admit that it's been Baron tweeting everything all along. Bahahaha! :mrgreen:

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:57 pm
by Sepiche
em2nought wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 1:39 pm
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 7:23 am You'd almost think someone besides Trump wrote those tweets, but when "played no roll" popped up the author of them becomes clear.
Trump should admit that it's been Baron tweeting everything all along. Bahahaha! :mrgreen:
Because they are obviously the rambling, cluttered thoughts of a child?

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:02 pm
by El Guapo
Skinypupy wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 1:27 pm Expect a tweetstorm of epic proportions very soon. The FBI wiretapped Cohen.
Federal investigators have wiretapped the phone lines of Michael Cohen, the longtime personal lawyer for President Donald Trump who is under investigation for a payment he made to an adult film star who alleged she had an affair with Trump, according to two people with knowledge of the legal proceedings involving Cohen.

It is not clear how long the wiretap has been authorized, but NBC News has learned it was in place in the weeks leading up to the raids on Cohen's offices, hotel room, and home in early April, according to one person with direct knowledge.

At least one phone call between a phone line associated with Cohen and the White House was intercepted, the person said.
Seems 90%+ likely that Trump tries to fire Mueller and/or Rosenstein before May is up, right?

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:32 pm
by GreenGoo
Skinypupy wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 1:27 pm Expect a tweetstorm of epic proportions very soon. The FBI wiretapped Cohen.
I've got to think this was leaked to

a) Make the WH crap its pants
b) Scare Drumpf into making a bigger mistake next.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:49 pm
by tgb
Skinypupy wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 1:27 pm Expect a tweetstorm of epic proportions very soon. The FBI wiretapped Cohen.
Blaming Obama in 5......4......3.......

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:10 pm
by El Guapo
GreenGoo wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 2:32 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 1:27 pm Expect a tweetstorm of epic proportions very soon. The FBI wiretapped Cohen.
I've got to think this was leaked to

a) Make the WH crap its pants
b) Scare Drumpf into making a bigger mistake next.
eh, again, from all indications Mueller's team doesn't leak. I suppose it could be a leak from the SDNY / NY FBI people (the NY FBI certainly leaked a lot during the campaign, though it was mostly anti-Clinton stuff).

I kind of wonder whether it was leaked by Trump people to make (more) certain that Trump won't call Cohen again.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:10 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Unagi wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 12:09 pm
pr0ner wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 7:23 am
I wonder if the misspelled "no roll" was meant to communicate: "don't flip" ? :think:
Far to subtle for Trump. If Trump wrote it, I'm sure it would indicate that he was thinking: "I'm out of KFC biscuits!"

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:01 pm
by Blackhawk
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 3:10 pm
eh, again, from all indications Mueller's team doesn't leak.
No, but Mueller's team baits.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:05 pm
by Max Peck
Blackhawk wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 4:01 pm
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 3:10 pm
eh, again, from all indications Mueller's team doesn't leak.
No, but Mueller's team baits.
Examples?

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:09 pm
by Blackhawk
Max Peck wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 4:05 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 4:01 pm
El Guapo wrote: Thu May 03, 2018 3:10 pm
eh, again, from all indications Mueller's team doesn't leak.
No, but Mueller's team baits.
Examples?
Specific ones? Don't have any. I've seen in a couple of different articles that the team is thought to have intentionally 'leaked' a couple of non-secret items in order to bait people of interest into a response. It isn't a leak so much as an unannounced release.

Re: The Trump Investigation Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:21 pm
by Max Peck
But there is exactly zero evidence, that I am aware of, that they have ever done that. If anything, that sounds like pro-Trump disinformation to explain leaks by blaming them on Mueller rather than the actual leaker (e.g. Trump implying that Mueller's team "disgracefully" leaked the list of questions, when they couldn't have done so given that the list was written by Trump's own lawyer).