Election integrity and the transfer of power

[Octavious]

Ya we're in deep f'n shit. For people to come out today and try and blame Antifia is just mind blowing. Hell they did it in the house too last night. We're 100% fucked and the next republican person in charge will be the death blow.

[El Guapo]

Ya we're in deep f'n shit. For people to come out today and try and blame Antifia is just mind blowing. Hell they did it in the house too last night. We're 100% fucked and the next republican person in charge will be the death blow.

Well, yes and no in terms of being in deep shit. Trump's hardcore screwed, and he has zero plausible route to remaining president (one caveat being if the military's more willing to protect him than we think, although all signs from the military so far have been positive).

What's harder to assess is what more damage he might do before leaving office, and the long-term structural issues that have led us to this point.

[malchior]

2/3 of the House declared support for the coup.

Do you mean House Republicans?

Yeah - critical missing group name there.

[Jaymann]

2/3 of the House declared support for the coup.

Do you mean House Republicans?

JFC I hope so.

[Octavious]

Ya we're in deep f'n shit. For people to come out today and try and blame Antifia is just mind blowing. Hell they did it in the house too last night. We're 100% fucked and the next republican person in charge will be the death blow.

Well, yes and no in terms of being in deep shit. Trump's hardcore screwed, and he has zero plausible route to remaining president (one caveat being if the military's more willing to protect him than we think, although all signs from the military so far have been positive).

What's harder to assess is what more damage he might do before leaving office, and the long-term structural issues that have led us to this point.

Well ya that's what I'm worried about. He's riled up a bunch of insane people. Gotten a bunch of insane people elected... Installed a bunch of judges and gutted departments across the land. He's legit screwed us for decades. And they LOVE him for it.

[malchior]

Ya we're in deep f'n shit. For people to come out today and try and blame Antifia is just mind blowing. Hell they did it in the house too last night. We're 100% fucked and the next republican person in charge will be the death blow.

Well, yes and no in terms of being in deep shit. Trump's hardcore screwed, and he has zero plausible route to remaining president (one caveat being if the military's more willing to protect him than we think, although all signs from the military so far have been positive).

What's harder to assess is what more damage he might do before leaving office, and the long-term structural issues that have led us to this point.

Yeah. Staying President? Nearly impossible. Starting a war? I hope not but we don't control our adversaries and they might try to take advantage of our chaos. Urging his cult to attack State Houses? Pardon the seditionists? This can go so many different ways but amazing amounts of damage to our stability will be done. It is apparent this system is in deeper danger than some recognized.

[Isgrimnur]

Stay classy, Ted...

[Lorini]

(Yeah I'm back, super pissed off about yesterday on so many levels).

The GOP has now lost the Presidency, the House, and the Senate, all because of Trump. Who knows maybe they'll actually realize that they are tying themselves to a 100% loser.

For me, yesterday will always be the day of White Supremacy. How we saw the Capitol police prepare for this mob was nothing like the show of force they put on for the BLM protests. White Supremacy inside the chambers as racists tried to invalidate Black votes which had been specifically called out by Trump. Allowing these so called protesters to violate the curfew, doing nothing, while police arrested BLM protesters for the very same act.

Yes, it's always different police isn't it? But the result somehow is all the same. I really hope that after the critical issues facing the country that Biden and the Dem Congress pass laws mandating real change in policing in the US.

[Kurth]

As much as I want to see Trump removed (via impeachment or the 25th, whatever is more feasible), I hate to see the Squad at the forefront here. Having AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley leading the charge is not a good look for obvious reasons. Why can't the Dems get their fucking act together?

It's like the clown show never stops . . .

[Lorini]

Ya we're in deep f'n shit. For people to come out today and try and blame Antifia is just mind blowing. Hell they did it in the house too last night. We're 100% fucked and the next republican person in charge will be the death blow.

Well, yes and no in terms of being in deep shit. Trump's hardcore screwed, and he has zero plausible route to remaining president (one caveat being if the military's more willing to protect him than we think, although all signs from the military so far have been positive).

What's harder to assess is what more damage he might do before leaving office, and the long-term structural issues that have led us to this point.

Yeah. Staying President? Nearly impossible. Starting a war? I hope not but we don't control our adversaries and they might try to take advantage of our chaos. Urging his cult to attack State Houses? Pardon the seditionists? This can go so many different ways but amazing amounts of damage to our stability will be done. It is apparent this system is in deeper danger than some recognized.

If he pardons the insurrectionists, that will place more pressure on the Congress to reign in the presidential pardon. I hope it happens and I suspect there is bipartisan support for this.

[naednek]

https://twitter.com/notorious_rsg/statu ... 97664?s=21

The WH is officially blaming Antifa “terrorists” (in a statement released today but dated, weirdly January 5).

I don't know, It seems he's responding to actions that took place this year and around the country. Nowhere does it say anything about yesterday's events.

[malchior]

(Yeah I'm back, super pissed off about yesterday on so many levels).

The GOP has now lost the Presidency, the House, and the Senate, all because of Trump. Who knows maybe they'll actually realize that they are tying themselves to a 100% loser.

For me, yesterday will always be the day of White Supremacy. How we saw the Capitol police prepare for this mob was nothing like the show of force they put on for the BLM protests. White Supremacy inside the chambers as racists tried to invalidate Black votes which had been specifically called out by Trump. Allowing these so called protesters to violate the curfew, doing nothing, while police arrested BLM protesters for the very same act.

Yes, it's always different police isn't it? But the result somehow is all the same. I really hope that after the critical issues facing the country that Biden and the Dem Congress pass laws mandating real change in policing in the US.

Amen. This was insanely obvious. I really appreciated many anchors bringing this point up repeatedly last night and today. They have done a good job asking about this aspect when talking to former officials who sometimes acknowledged it as obviously true. And we had others that squirmed but couldn't get away from acknowledging it.

[Lorini]

As much as I want to see Trump removed (via impeachment or the 25th, whatever is more feasible), I hate to see the Squad at the forefront here. Having AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley leading the charge is not a good look for obvious reasons. Why can't the Dems get their fucking act together?

It's like the clown show never stops . . .

You mean the GOP clown show I'm sure. I don't see the squad urging insurrection do you? I don't see the squad trying to invalidate people's votes do you? I don't see the squad telling mobs how much they love them do you?

You really must see things that somehow I don't see? I wonder why? My main source of information is Pulitzer Prize winning journalism, what's yours?

[El Guapo]

As much as I want to see Trump removed (via impeachment or the 25th, whatever is more feasible), I hate to see the Squad at the forefront here. Having AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley leading the charge is not a good look for obvious reasons. Why can't the Dems get their fucking act together?

It's like the clown show never stops . . .

I agree with that. Although I'm not sure how much of it is the Squad leading, and how much of it is just the media / people paying more attention to them than to (say) Schumer.

[Archinerd]

As much as I want to see Trump removed (via impeachment or the 25th, whatever is more feasible), I hate to see the Squad at the forefront here. Having AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley leading the charge is not a good look for obvious reasons. Why can't the Dems get their fucking act together?

It's like the clown show never stops . . .

Um... it's far beyond just "the Squad" on this one.

[Octavious]

Ya we're in deep f'n shit. For people to come out today and try and blame Antifia is just mind blowing. Hell they did it in the house too last night. We're 100% fucked and the next republican person in charge will be the death blow.

Well, yes and no in terms of being in deep shit. Trump's hardcore screwed, and he has zero plausible route to remaining president (one caveat being if the military's more willing to protect him than we think, although all signs from the military so far have been positive).

What's harder to assess is what more damage he might do before leaving office, and the long-term structural issues that have led us to this point.

Yeah. Staying President? Nearly impossible. Starting a war? I hope not but we don't control our adversaries and they might try to take advantage of our chaos. Urging his cult to attack State Houses? Pardon the seditionists? This can go so many different ways but amazing amounts of damage to our stability will be done. It is apparent this system is in deeper danger than some recognized.

If he pardons the insurrectionists, that will place more pressure on the Congress to reign in the presidential pardon. I hope it happens and I suspect there is bipartisan support for this.

Did you see the votes last night? They won't support it. They are just waiting 4 years to install someone less crazy to finish the job.

[Smoove_B]

Did you see the votes last night? They won't support it. They are just waiting 4 years to install someone less crazy to finish the job.

It's almost like...when there aren't consequences to violating an oath of public office, nothing matters.

[Defiant]

As much as I want to see Trump removed (via impeachment or the 25th, whatever is more feasible), I hate to see the Squad at the forefront here. Having AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley leading the charge is not a good look for obvious reasons. Why can't the Dems get their fucking act together?

It's like the clown show never stops . . .

Um... it's far beyond just "the Squad" on this one.

If it was a serious attempt to impeach Trump, the squad would be the last ones you would want putting this forward (ideally, you would want a Republican to do it).

[Jaymann]

As much as I want to see Trump removed (via impeachment or the 25th, whatever is more feasible), I hate to see the Squad at the forefront here. Having AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley leading the charge is not a good look for obvious reasons. Why can't the Dems get their fucking act together?

It's like the clown show never stops . . .

Agree about Dems not having their act together, but am glad the Squad has the fortitude to take action while Pelosi tries to play it "safe."

[Kraken]

MSNBC reporting FB is blocking Trump for 2 weeks from FB and Instagram.

If twitter shuts him down, too, he effectively ceases to exist.

I read somewhere that Pence is effectively in charge and trump is isolated, but I don't see any evidence for that.

[El Guapo]

As much as I want to see Trump removed (via impeachment or the 25th, whatever is more feasible), I hate to see the Squad at the forefront here. Having AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley leading the charge is not a good look for obvious reasons. Why can't the Dems get their fucking act together?

It's like the clown show never stops . . .

Agree about Dems not having their act together, but am glad the Squad has the fortitude to take action while Pelosi tries to play it "safe."

Has Pelosi said anything on impeachment today? I'd be a bit surprised if Schumer were significantly out front of her on this.

[Lorini]

MSNBC reporting FB is blocking Trump for 2 weeks from FB and Instagram.

If twitter shuts him down, too, he effectively ceases to exist.

I read somewhere that Pence is effectively in charge and trump is isolated, but I don't see any evidence for that.

Pence made all the decisions yesterday so there's that. Whether or not Trump is still making decisions or even wanting to remains up in the air.

[Max Peck]

If twitter shuts him down, too, he effectively ceases to exist.

There's always Parler.

[El Guapo]

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/ ... 7048885250

[Isgrimnur]

https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1 ... 0302034945

[Lorini]

As much as I want to see Trump removed (via impeachment or the 25th, whatever is more feasible), I hate to see the Squad at the forefront here. Having AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley leading the charge is not a good look for obvious reasons. Why can't the Dems get their fucking act together?

It's like the clown show never stops . . .

Agree about Dems not having their act together, but am glad the Squad has the fortitude to take action while Pelosi tries to play it "safe."

Has Pelosi said anything on impeachment today? I'd be a bit surprised if Schumer were significantly out front of her on this.

Schumer calling for someone else to do the heavy lifting (Pelosi) doesn't mean that person is on board. It's a lot of work for the House to start articles of impeachment and frankly I doubt it can happen in a timespan to matter to this moment.

[Lorini]

If twitter shuts him down, too, he effectively ceases to exist.

There's always Parler.

If Parler is allowing discussion of violence, they are breaking the law in the US. We'll see what happens, lots to look at in this aftermath.

[Jaymann]

MSNBC reporting FB is blocking Trump for 2 weeks from FB and Instagram.

If twitter shuts him down, too, he effectively ceases to exist.

I read somewhere that Pence is effectively in charge and trump is isolated, but I don't see any evidence for that.

Pence made all the decisions yesterday so there's that. Whether or not Trump is still making decisions or even wanting to remains up in the air.

Reported that Pence authorized the deployment of the National Guard, not Agolf. Which begged the question of how he could do that since he is not the CiC.

[Smoove_B]

It's a lot of work for the House to start articles of impeachment and frankly I doubt it can happen in a timespan to matter to this moment.

If they can get a Supreme Court Justice nominated, heard and seated ~7 days after Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, I'm confident they can figure this out.

[malchior]

As much as I want to see Trump removed (via impeachment or the 25th, whatever is more feasible), I hate to see the Squad at the forefront here. Having AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley leading the charge is not a good look for obvious reasons. Why can't the Dems get their fucking act together?

It's like the clown show never stops . . .

Agree about Dems not having their act together, but am glad the Squad has the fortitude to take action while Pelosi tries to play it "safe."

Has Pelosi said anything on impeachment today? I'd be a bit surprised if Schumer were significantly out front of her on this.

Not yet - she has a conference coming up shortly. She rescheduled it after Schumer made his statement. They probably weren't in sync which doesn't surprise me. As a parliamentary tactician she is unmatched but she has been a boat anchor strategically in the Trump era.

[Max Peck]

Parler exists to allow right-wing extremists to network when they get kicked off the mainstream social media. They're not going to block Der Führer if he graces them with his presence.

[malchior]

MSNBC reporting FB is blocking Trump for 2 weeks from FB and Instagram.

If twitter shuts him down, too, he effectively ceases to exist.

I read somewhere that Pence is effectively in charge and trump is isolated, but I don't see any evidence for that.

Pence made all the decisions yesterday so there's that. Whether or not Trump is still making decisions or even wanting to remains up in the air.

Reported that Pence authorized the deployment of the National Guard, not Agolf. Which begged the question of how he could do that since he is not the CiC.

Miller claims he "consulted" with Pence but that Miller authorized the DC Guard since he is in the chain-of-command. Probably similar to how Barr 'didn't order' the gassing the protesters. He just nodded.

[Lorini]

It's a lot of work for the House to start articles of impeachment and frankly I doubt it can happen in a timespan to matter to this moment.

If they can get a Supreme Court Justice nominated, heard and seated ~7 days after Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, I'm confident they can figure this out.

The House has to draw up the Articles which is the problem. Then there has to be a vote, and then the Articles have to be sent to the Senate. If it was only up to the Senate, it could be done in 24 hours most likely.

[Skinypupy]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 2951682048

Breaking WaPo: Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao will resign, the first to leave Trump's Cabinet after he incited mob that attacked Capitol.

[Lorini]

Parler exists to allow right-wing extremists to network when they get kicked off the mainstream social media. They're not going to block Der Führer if he graces them with his presence.

That's fine, as long as they don't discuss the implementation of violence or credibly threaten violence. Which apparently was done on the site, with the site owner saying he's not there to police speech. Except when his site gets shut down for failing to do so, maybe he'll have something different to say or maybe he'll just set up another site to not police speech and on and on. We'll see.

[Isgrimnur]

I'm sure she and Mitch had a long heart-to-heart conversation last night.

[Defiant]

If twitter shuts him down, too, he effectively ceases to exist.

No one who has control of the American nuclear arsenal "effectively ceases to exist".

There's a quote from the sitcom Becker that comes to mind:

"Don't you see it, Reggie? He leaves the TV on so he can get upset!"
"Nobody called on you. It doesn't matter if you turn the set off. The people are still in there! And, frankly, I like knowing what they're up to. Trust me on this one. White trash is the only natural resource this country will never run out of."

[malchior]

It's a lot of work for the House to start articles of impeachment and frankly I doubt it can happen in a timespan to matter to this moment.

If they can get a Supreme Court Justice nominated, heard and seated ~7 days after Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, I'm confident they can figure this out.

The House has to draw up the Articles which is the problem. Then there has to be a vote, and then the Articles have to be sent to the Senate. If it was only up to the Senate, it could be done in 24 hours most likely.

Counterintuitively it is the Senate that delays things. The Impeachment could happen today in the House. It is only a bill. Pelosi could have done it right after the EC count. However, then a *trial* has to be conducted and Trump must be allowed to defend himself which involves prep time since that is a due process mechanism. It is the wrong process to stop a coup in progress.

[ImLawBoy]

It's a lot of work for the House to start articles of impeachment and frankly I doubt it can happen in a timespan to matter to this moment.

If they can get a Supreme Court Justice nominated, heard and seated ~7 days after Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, I'm confident they can figure this out.

The House has to draw up the Articles which is the problem. Then there has to be a vote, and then the Articles have to be sent to the Senate. If it was only up to the Senate, it could be done in 24 hours most likely.

They've already got the articles. I think Omar has already put them together. They'd just need to reconvene and vote.

[Max Peck]

Reported that Pence authorized the deployment of the National Guard, not Agolf. Which begged the question of how he could do that since he is not the CiC.

Pence didn't authorize it. It appears that he was in the loop, but the deployment was authorized by Acting SecDef Miller. The statement released by DOD notably did not make any reference to Trump at all, though.