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GreenGoo wrote:This is ridiculous.

The G7/8 summit regularly brings in over 200,000 protestors. Some of which are simply anarchists/hoodlums looking to destroy under the cover of legitimacy. The one in Toronto resulted in only 25 arrests.

How is any of this different?

But no, yeah, BLM is an unreasonable response to being shot without cause far too frequently and the whole thing is a cover for racist criminals to beat up white people.

GreenGoo wrote:This is ridiculous.

The G7/8 summit regularly brings in over 200,000 protestors. Some of which are simply anarchists/hoodlums looking to destroy under the cover of legitimacy. The one in Toronto resulted in only 25 arrests.

How is any of this different?

But no, yeah, BLM is an unreasonable response to being shot without cause far too frequently and the whole thing is a cover for racist criminals to beat up white people.

Rip wrote:

Zarathud wrote:

Rip wrote:The KKK would never get coddled the way these and other urban rioters have been. We shouldn't just be appalled and clean up, they need to be punished so that others know protesting in that fashion is unacceptable no matter the cause.

Coddled like the right wing extremists who sized a government building in Oregon to incite a violent overthrow of the US government?

Or do we just go after the minority rioters in the cities? Never mind that attitude is the reason they're so upset and rioting....

Pretty sure those people were prosecuted. Heck they killed a couple of them as I recall. That said I don't recall them burning down businesses or assaulting reporters, etc.

Isgrimnur wrote:Shooting a fleeing person is without cause.

Rip wrote: Without cause? Shooting an armed and fleeing multiple time felon is without cause?

Isgrimnur wrote:Shooting a fleeing person is without cause.

LordMortis wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:Shooting a fleeing person is without cause.

'cause they ran?

Isgrimnur wrote:Shooting a fleeing person is without cause.

An unidentified 24-year-old male officer, chased after one of the suspects. During the chase, the 23-year old male suspect pulled out a stolen pistol that was fully loaded with stolen ammunition. The officer ordered the suspect to drop the gun. The suspect did not drop the gun, and the officer fatally shot him.

Rip wrote:Shooting a fleeing felon in possession of an illegal stolen firearm is not without cause.

Isgrimnur wrote: Oh, and how was the officer to know at the time that the firearm and the ammunition were stolen? That's crappy journalism.

An unidentified 24-year-old male officer, chased after one of the suspects. During the chase, the 23-year old male suspect pulled out a stolen pistol that was fully loaded with stolen ammunition. The officer ordered the suspect to drop the gun. The suspect did not drop the gun, and the officer fatally shot him.

Isgrimnur wrote:They don't. It's bad storytelling.

GreenGoo wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:They don't. It's bad storytelling.

Exactly. But if read as written, it implies that omg not only is he pulling a stolen weapon out of his pants, it's loaded with stolen! ammo!

Rip wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:They don't. It's bad storytelling.

Exactly. But if read as written, it implies that omg not only is he pulling a stolen weapon out of his pants, it's loaded with stolen! ammo!

But if it was or wasn't stolen is totally irrelevant.

Isgrimnur wrote:He's missing my point about generalities (possibly deliberately) to make his point about this specific case.

The suspect drew a weapon while resisting arrest. It's a good shoot, assuming the facts are as stipulated.

Rip wrote:

hepcat wrote:For every racist, violent black protestor that rioted in Milwaukee and yelled "kill the white people", there were far more many black citizens appalled by their actions that gathered the next day to help clean up.

Just as I don't assume that the KKK represents the future of white America, I refuse to assume that fringe elements within the black community represent theirs.

I should certainly hope so. I don't assume that either. The KKK would never get coddled the way these and other urban rioters have been. We shouldn't just be appalled and clean up, they need to be punished so that others know protesting in that fashion is unacceptable no matter the cause.

GreenGoo wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:He's missing my point about generalities (possibly deliberately) to make his point about this specific case.

The suspect drew a weapon while resisting arrest. It's a good shoot, assuming the facts are as stipulated.

Yeah, that's between you two. I just jumped in to opine about the scary bullets, which were STOLEN, apparently.

Though they still refuse to support Trump, the Kochs apparently feel they have to do something with their $750 million budget to influence voters. Beyond focusing on down-ballot races, they're also revving up a new (probably) anti-electric car and (definitely) pro-fossil fuel front group as part of their ongoing efforts documented by the new microsite, Kochs vs. Clean. Teased last February, publicly announced on Saturday and exposed by DeSmog's Sharon Kelly on Sunday, the "Fueling U.S. Forward" group seeks to get the public emotionally invested in fossil fuels as being "pro-human."

To do so, it will deploy the kind of doublespeak propaganda that we've come to expect from these entrenched interests, if its name or debut are any indication. As described in the post you should just go read at DeSmog, the president and CEO of the new group told the crowd at the Red State 2016 gathering that not only are fossil fuels all the usual talking points of "reliable, abundant, efficient," but also they are "sustainable."

Which, of course, is as backwards as can be. Not only are fossil fuels finite resources that will at some point be depleted if we continue business-as-usual, but they're also mostly responsible for that little old thing called climate change. So even if they were a renewable resource, they still wouldn't be sustainable indefinitely, in that if we continue burning them, it would render the planet incapable of sustaining human life.
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Though those who oppose renewables may not be nationally successful, they are finding wins at the state level. Case in point: The coal-heavy Wyoming, where state legislators are considering a massive tax increase on wind power as a major new project is being developed.

hepcat wrote:Sigh...my rabidly right coworker is now posting numerous links to articles about the 5 deaths that Hillary has caused. All of which are easily proven false with even a minor google search of any news site not linked to proven conspiracy theorists.

Not even Rip is that disconnected from reality.

Oh, he did take a break for a few minutes yesterday to post his thoughts on "the traitor in chief" (his favorite term for the POTUS) and "his race war in Milwaukee".

GreenGoo wrote:If this is just facebook on his own time, just pull the cord and unfriend him. What's the worst that can happen?

coopasonic wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:If this is just facebook on his own time, just pull the cord and unfriend him. What's the worst that can happen?

Unfollow, not unfriend. He won't even know.

hepcat wrote:Sigh...my rabidly right coworker is now posting numerous links to articles about the 5 deaths that Hillary has caused. All of which are easily proven false with even a minor google search of any news site not linked to proven conspiracy theorists.

Not even Rip is that disconnected from reality.

Oh, he did take a break for a few minutes yesterday to post his thoughts on "the traitor in chief" (his favorite term for the POTUS) and "his race war in Milwaukee".

coopasonic wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:If this is just facebook on his own time, just pull the cord and unfriend him. What's the worst that can happen?

Unfollow, not unfriend. He won't even know.

coopasonic wrote:

GreenGoo wrote:If this is just facebook on his own time, just pull the cord and unfriend him. What's the worst that can happen?

Unfollow, not unfriend. He won't even know.

malchior wrote:I personally just ignore the posts and sometimes pay just enough attention to loosely know what people are talking about - no matter how crazy. Ozymandias style.

Smoove_B wrote:Wow, I've now been able to understand two references in my lifetime to Ozymandias (here and a song by Sting) - my high school English teacher would be proud.

New Jersey on Tuesday became the third state in the nation to put a law on its books to oppose a movement that encourages a boycott of Israeli goods and services.

Gov. Chris Christie signed into law a bipartisan measure that bars the state's public worker pension fund from investing in companies that refuse to do business with Israel.

The Garden State joins Florida and Illinois, which have similar laws. It's a public pushback against businesses participating in the Palestinian-led "Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions" movement.

The BDS movement is a global campaign to put pressure on Israeli to stop "colonizing Palestinian land, discriminating against Palestinian citizens of Israel and denying Palestinian refugees the right to return to their homes."

"This legislation officially distances New Jersey from the (BDS movement)," Christie said.
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Under the law, the state Division of Investments would be barred from investing public workers' $72 billion pension fund in these companies and dump any of these existing holdings within 18 months.

New Jersey on Tuesday became the third state in the nation to put a law on its books to oppose a movement that encourages a boycott of Israeli goods and services.

Last night I watched the documentary The Brainwashing of My Dad, about a family man’s rightwing radicalization. The filmmaker traces her father’s descent from a free-loving personality to an angry, embittered devotee of conservative media out of touch with reality.

The film paints a clear picture of just how damaging the ubiquity and ferocity of conservative doctrine can be.

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When exactly did freedom of information come to mean dissemination of disinformation?

When corporate conservatives targeted the Fairness Doctrine, a policy that required media outlets to be accountable and represent all points of view.

The doctrine was problematic because it worked.

You can’t manipulate the masses by showing all viewpoints. Thus, conservatives saw to its abolition, which may prove to be a far greater detriment to a free society than the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act that led to the financial crisis

The FBI and U.S. Justice Department are investigating possible U.S. ties to alleged corruption involving the former president of Ukraine, including the work of firms headed by political operatives Paul Manafort and Tony Podesta, CNN reported on Friday, citing multiple U.S. law enforcement officials. The broad-based investigation was looking into whether U.S. companies and the financial system were used to enable corruption by the party of former pro-Russian Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, CNN said.

A person who answered a telephone number for Manafort said Manafort was not available for comment. The person, who said he was an associate of Manafort and who gave his name only as David, referred queries to a lawyer in Washington, who did not immediately respond to a phone call and an email. In response to a report in the New York Times on Monday, Manafort denied any impropriety in a statement. "I have never received a single 'off-the-books cash payment' as falsely 'reported' by The New York Times, nor have I ever done work for the governments of Ukraine or Russia," he said. The New York Times reported that he had received cash payments worth more than $12 million over five years that were itemized on secret ledgers belonging to Yanukovich's Party of Regions.

Manafort, who resigned as chairman of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump's campaign on Friday, had not been the focus of the probe, CNN said, citing the officials. The probe was looking at the work of other firms linked to the former Ukrainian government, including the Podesta Group, a lobbying and public relations company headed by Tony Podesta, whose brother John Podesta is chairman of the campaign to elect Democratic Party presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Manafort's attorney Richard Hibey did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The FBI declined to comment, CNN reported.