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While I understand PR, I don't understand why we are clamoring for DC. Is it just to get 2 extra democratic senators?El Guapo wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:26 pm Really, all I want out of a Biden presidency is federal voting rights legislation. If we get that, it will go a long way to helping us avoid this mess in the future.
Also, statehood for DC, and for PR if they want it.
First because it's fundamentally unfair that residents of DC (which outnumber residents of Vermont and Wyoming) do not get any political representation in the government. And second yes, for the two extra Democratic senators - it's really the only short term patch I can see available to help address the issue that the Senate is tilted in favor of the more conservative rural areas of the country.noxiousdog wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:30 pmWhile I understand PR, I don't understand why we are clamoring for DC. Is it just to get 2 extra democratic senators?El Guapo wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:26 pm Really, all I want out of a Biden presidency is federal voting rights legislation. If we get that, it will go a long way to helping us avoid this mess in the future.
Also, statehood for DC, and for PR if they want it.
Also Congress (mainly Republicans) have gotten really shameless about intruding into DC domestic affairs that don't really pertain to the federal government (e.g., undoing the marijuana legalization).malchior wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:49 pm Also, the DC demonstrations highlighted that there was a gap between the DC police and the government that allowed Federal 'troops' to pull bullshit shenanigans like the St. John's bible shoot.
This. And the amount of people without representation.malchior wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:49 pm Also, the DC demonstrations highlighted that there was a gap between the DC police and the government that allowed Federal 'troops' to pull bullshit shenanigans like the St. John's bible shoot.
His strategy is to go with his gut. And right now his gut is thinking it needs more hamberders.Octavious wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:08 am I just don't get his strategy at all with Florida and Arizona. If people start dropping like flies the chances of him winning those states drop a ton. And so far that looks like that's what is going to happen over the next month.
raydude wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:18 amHis strategy is to go with his gut. And right now his gut is thinking it needs more hamberders.Octavious wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:08 am I just don't get his strategy at all with Florida and Arizona. If people start dropping like flies the chances of him winning those states drop a ton. And so far that looks like that's what is going to happen over the next month.
raydude wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:18 amHis strategy is to go with his gut. And right now his gut is thinking it needs more hamberders.Octavious wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:08 am I just don't get his strategy at all with Florida and Arizona. If people start dropping like flies the chances of him winning those states drop a ton. And so far that looks like that's what is going to happen over the next month.
There's also going to be a anti-Trump rally in the lake. All I can say is that I hope someone is taking video.Octavious wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:08 pm I found out that there's a big Trump boat rally in the lake by my house this weekend. I don't get these people.
A good time for return of the Hopatconda.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 pmThere's also going to be a anti-Trump rally in the lake. All I can say is that I hope someone is taking video.Octavious wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:08 pm I found out that there's a big Trump boat rally in the lake by my house this weekend. I don't get these people.
The Democratic controlled House prevented Mike Pence from doing his job. CDC and WHO gave us lies and prevented us from responding with current claim which I claim I claimed all along Democrats left Florida hanging out to dry. Resources were diverted by corrupt politicians... Fake media... a very nasty person/question... end response.Octavious wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:08 pm It's going to be really hard to blame the dems for Florida. I'm sure they will try, but I don't see that gaining much traction. I found out that there's a big Trump boat rally in the lake by my house this weekend. I don't get these people.
but morons vote tooOctavious wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:28 pm Ya but the playbook isn't working like it used to. Only the morons are hanging on at this point.
I really, really don't want a 2000 Florida repeat. Given Trump, that could well set off armed insurrection in areas.Right now, according to our polling averages, Florida would be the “tipping point” state of the election — the state that will give a candidate his 270th electoral vote. (In other words, if Biden wins every state above Florida in the table, and Trump wins every state below Florida, both would still be short of 270 electoral votes. So whoever won Florida would win the election.) Biden currently leads by 7.4 points in Florida, according to our polling average there, which is 2.3 points less than his national lead. That means Trump could win the state — and therefore, the way things are set up right now, the Electoral College — even if Biden still leads the national average by up to 2.3 points on Election Day. That said, it’s still early in the campaign, and the tipping point state will likely continue to shuffle around (for example, Minnesota was the tipping-point state last week).
For now, though, it’s notable that the Midwestern swing states — namely, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — are still a bit more Democratic-leaning than the emerging swing states in the Sun Belt, like Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and Texas. That’s a similar story to 2016, when the election was decided in the Midwest.
I hope you're right. I believe it is way too early, too much change is in the air, and too many shenanigans await to make any sort of prediction about outcome. It is likely just safe to predict it will be a shit show.YellowKing wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:45 pm I don't think the election's going to be anywhere close, and Trump will have absolutely no grounds to contest the election.
I'm calling it right now - Biden wins in a landslide, Trump steps down (albeit not before trashing the place as he leaves). Americans breathe a sigh of relief.
Yeah, it is way too early. Trump/GOP/Dark Money/Foreign influence smear campaigns against Biden haven't even begun yet. Think Swift-Boat Veterans for (Fox News) Truth. Think Willie Horton. Think Authoritarian Gov't whisper/smear campaigns. Think Soros is paying illegal immigrants to vote campaigns.malchior wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:53 pmI hope you're right. I believe it is way too early, too much change is in the air, and too many shenanigans await to make any sort of prediction about outcome. It is likely just safe to predict it will be a shit show.YellowKing wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:45 pm I don't think the election's going to be anywhere close, and Trump will have absolutely no grounds to contest the election.
I'm calling it right now - Biden wins in a landslide, Trump steps down (albeit not before trashing the place as he leaves). Americans breathe a sigh of relief.
That's possible, but FWIW what I've read is that there's no indication that mail in voting favors either party, so there's no reason why we should expect in person voting to tilt Trump vs. mail in ballots.Holman wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:06 pm It's very likely that the election will be undetermined on November 4, and we might wake up on Nov 4 with the numbers temporarily in Trump's favor (but with the expectation that mail-ins will tip over significantly towards Biden).
The nightmare scenario is that every QAnon lunatic and MAGA commando then descends on wherever votes are counted, attempting to disrupt the continuation of the election. Some of them will succeed. There will be chaos. Mailed-in votes could be spoiled or physically stolen or otherwise invalidated.
That's true in the past, but is it true this year?El Guapo wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:40 pm
That's possible, but FWIW what I've read is that there's no indication that mail in voting favors either party, so there's no reason why we should expect in person voting to tilt Trump vs. mail in ballots.
Holman wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:54 pmThat's true in the past, but is it true this year?El Guapo wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:40 pm
That's possible, but FWIW what I've read is that there's no indication that mail in voting favors either party, so there's no reason why we should expect in person voting to tilt Trump vs. mail in ballots.
I just read that Dems have a 302,000 voter advantage in vote-by-mail enrollment in Florida. In 2016 that number was under 8,800.
Trump and the GOP hate mail-in voting because an in-person voting requirement discourages people with two jobs, irregular schedules, outside childcare, etc.LordMortis wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:39 pm We've never had it in MI widely available before. The GOP fought it at every level and in court several times by mostly the same groups that fought against elected officials choosing their voters. This suggests to me the effort was an effort to maintain power. But we have no history to compare it to. Absentee voting until this year was reserved for the military, the elderly, and out of state business person who applied for privilege.
It could be different this year - this is certainly an unusual year. That Florida number could also be one reflection of greater Democratic enthusiasm. I'm just saying what the history is, and so the priors going in would likely be that mail in voting by itself shouldn't shift the race too much.Holman wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:54 pmThat's true in the past, but is it true this year?El Guapo wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:40 pm
That's possible, but FWIW what I've read is that there's no indication that mail in voting favors either party, so there's no reason why we should expect in person voting to tilt Trump vs. mail in ballots.
I just read that Dems have a 302,000 voter advantage in vote-by-mail enrollment in Florida. In 2016 that number was under 8,800.
He'd never drop out. He's no doubt making a ton of money off the presidency, plus his ego, PLUS he has a reasonable chance of winding up in prison after he leaves the presidency. The scary part is that the last part gives him a really powerful incentive to cheat and to try to refuse to leave even if he loses.hepcat wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:21 am I don't think he intended to win the first time around. I truly believe it was a negotiating tactic on his part to force the network to meet his demands for a show that wasn't doing as hot in the ratings that it used to. When he realized he had a chance, I think his ego took over (not that it's ever far from the driver's seat, mind you) and he went all in.
Now, I could see him dropping him out if it looked like he had no chance so he could say in public "I didn't lose! I chose to leave!", but as long as he thinks he does have a chance, his ego won't let him drop out.
Trump is mostly ego with the rest being id...iot.
Win or lose he'll still have leverage and a following in the GOP.El Guapo wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:04 am He'd never drop out. He's no doubt making a ton of money off the presidency, plus his ego, PLUS he has a reasonable chance of winding up in prison after he leaves the presidency. The scary part is that the last part gives him a really powerful incentive to cheat and to try to refuse to leave even if he loses.
El Guapo wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:04 am
He'd never drop out. He's no doubt making a ton of money off the presidency, plus his ego, PLUS he has a reasonable chance of winding up in prison after he leaves the presidency. The scary part is that the last part gives him a really powerful incentive to cheat and to try to refuse to leave even if he loses.