Moderators: $iljanus, LawBeefaroni
But it’s going to work. Republicans won’t vote to remove him anymore. Not with that concession and a recent poll showing 8 in 10 Republican voters not favoring removal. He’s going to pardon himself and his entire family, and will get away with it.$iljanus wrote:That video is the equivalent of an unrepentant child being made to apologize after being caught doing something wrong.
That's what I was thinking as well. He was chewing and spitting each and every word out.$iljanus wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:42 pm That video is the equivalent of an unrepentant child being made to apologize after being caught doing something wrong.
I’m not sure, but it’s being investigated as a murder.Kurth wrote:msteelers wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:59 pm CNN is reporting an officer died from the wounds they suffered yesterday.I wonder what "died from events stemming from Wednesday's riot" actually means.US Capitol Police officer has died following riot at Capitol
From CNN's Kristin Wilson, Evan Perez and David Brooks
A US Capitol Police officer has died from events stemming from Wednesday's riot at the Capitol, three sources confirmed to CNN.
The police officer is now the fifth person to die as a result of the day's violence. One woman was shot and killed by Capitol Police as the crowd breached the building and three others suffered medical emergencies that proved fatal.
NPR's Kai Ryssdal pointed out on Twitter that there are some weird edits in the video.Blackhawk wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:42 pm Finished the speech. That is what was known as 'pressure.' Someone told him that if he varied from the teleprompter, "______________" would happen, either the 25th or the Senate agreeing to impeachment. They also likely mega-dosed him with something or other just before it happened. I have a feeling that the rest of the deal he made was that he spend the next two weeks out of sight with his mouth shut, showing up just long enough to walk Biden into the White House.
And now Capital Police say media reports are false and that no officer has died.msteelers wrote:I’m not sure, but it’s being investigated as a murder.Kurth wrote:msteelers wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:59 pm CNN is reporting an officer died from the wounds they suffered yesterday.I wonder what "died from events stemming from Wednesday's riot" actually means.US Capitol Police officer has died following riot at Capitol
From CNN's Kristin Wilson, Evan Perez and David Brooks
A US Capitol Police officer has died from events stemming from Wednesday's riot at the Capitol, three sources confirmed to CNN.
The police officer is now the fifth person to die as a result of the day's violence. One woman was shot and killed by Capitol Police as the crowd breached the building and three others suffered medical emergencies that proved fatal.
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/ ... 32577?s=21
I see it as no different than what he did after Charlottesville. He didn't actually apologize then or now. He did not concede here. He said there would be a new administration. It's all vague and bullshit-y. This doesn't even come close to making up for what he did. He incited an insurrection and loosed a mob against the Capitol. 5 4 people are dead including a Capitol police officer. He still needs to be impeached again.$iljanus wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:42 pm That video is the equivalent of an unrepentant child being made to apologize after being caught doing something wrong.
I certainly hope not. I fear this is true but if he gets away from this scot-free this country will spiral into violence over time. There needs to be severe consequences or else we'll be right back here.msteelers wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:45 pmBut it’s going to work. Republicans won’t vote to remove him anymore. Not with that concession and a recent poll showing 8 in 10 Republican voters not favoring removal. He’s going to pardon himself and his entire family, and will get away with it.$iljanus wrote:That video is the equivalent of an unrepentant child being made to apologize after being caught doing something wrong.
A-fucking-gain.
The next time we won't be back here, no. I think the next time will work as intended and we'll be far gone.malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:42 pm There needs to be severe consequences or else we'll be right back here.
If there's no way to achieve one goal, the only thing to do is to stop focusing on that one and focus on the next - which is likely in about two weeks.msteelers wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:45 pmBut it’s going to work. Republicans won’t vote to remove him anymore. Not with that concession and a recent poll showing 8 in 10 Republican voters not favoring removal. He’s going to pardon himself and his entire family, and will get away with it.$iljanus wrote:That video is the equivalent of an unrepentant child being made to apologize after being caught doing something wrong.
A-fucking-gain.
Well, now it looks like one officer did die.TheMix wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:22 pm I know there are a lot of jokes about the Air Force and their training. But she was still ex-military. She went through boot camp. She was trained in combat. She probably had substantially more training than the officer. Of course he couldn't have known that. But I can think of plenty of scenarios that would have been far worse if he hadn't pulled the trigger.
The frustrating and infuriating part is that the officer should never have been in that situation. I keep thinking of the picture of the steps during the BLM protest... 100s of Nation Guard. Spaced every few yards. Multiple rows. But yesterday? Nothing. Those officers were hung out to dry. I am still amazed that there wasn't more death. You can't tell me that every one of those officers didn't fear for his/her life.
She is such a Betsy DeVos, ugh. I tried some other adjectives but it really was hard to come up with anything more awful than her, good riddance ya ratty sinking-ship-jumper.Grifman wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:11 pm Betsy DeVos is resigning, not that I care. She was just awful.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcev ... 32f84e3665
I mean, if there's any humor to come from this virtual insanity...hepcat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:00 pm Okay, right below the Via Getty gag lies the hilarious issue with folks thinking the buffalo hat wearing guy was English singer Jay Kay from Jamiroquai.
That was 2 hours ago and 20 minutes ago they said the officer was still on life support. Fog of war level is at high right now. Still this sounds like an end of life situation.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:11 pmWell, now it looks like one officer did die.TheMix wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:22 pm I know there are a lot of jokes about the Air Force and their training. But she was still ex-military. She went through boot camp. She was trained in combat. She probably had substantially more training than the officer. Of course he couldn't have known that. But I can think of plenty of scenarios that would have been far worse if he hadn't pulled the trigger.
The frustrating and infuriating part is that the officer should never have been in that situation. I keep thinking of the picture of the steps during the BLM protest... 100s of Nation Guard. Spaced every few yards. Multiple rows. But yesterday? Nothing. Those officers were hung out to dry. I am still amazed that there wasn't more death. You can't tell me that every one of those officers didn't fear for his/her life.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexLimonNew ... 2502157312
All the hemming and hawing that it couldn't have been a Trump supporter because they support law and order is infuriating.
You weren’t able to find any when you posted a via Getty joke earlier that I commented on?Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:17 pmI mean, if there's any humor to come from this virtual insanity...hepcat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:00 pm Okay, right below the Via Getty gag lies the hilarious issue with folks thinking the buffalo hat wearing guy was English singer Jay Kay from Jamiroquai.
In an extraordinary move, Simon & Schuster announced Thursday that it would no longer publish a planned book by Sen. Josh Hawley, one of the Republican lawmakers who led objections to Congress certifying President-elect Joe Biden's victory.
"After witnessing the disturbing, deadly insurrection that took place on Wednesday in Washington, D.C., Simon & Schuster has decided to cancel publication of Senator Josh Hawley's forthcoming book," the company said in a statement.
"We did not come to this decision lightly," Simon & Schuster added. "As a publisher it will always be our mission to amplify a variety of voices and viewpoints: at the same time we take seriously our larger public responsibility as citizens, and cannot support Senator Hawley after his role in what became a dangerous threat to our democracy and freedom."
Hawley in a statement responded to Simon & Schuster's decision by calling the move "Orwellian" and a "direct assault on the First Amendment" — even though as a graduate of Yale Law School he likely knows the First Amendment is about government restricting free speech and not forcing a private company to publish his work.
https://twitter.com/deanofdublin/status ... 6183259138Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:32 pm CNN
In an extraordinary move, Simon & Schuster announced Thursday that it would no longer publish a planned book by Sen. Josh Hawley, one of the Republican lawmakers who led objections to Congress certifying President-elect Joe Biden's victory.
"After witnessing the disturbing, deadly insurrection that took place on Wednesday in Washington, D.C., Simon & Schuster has decided to cancel publication of Senator Josh Hawley's forthcoming book," the company said in a statement.
"We did not come to this decision lightly," Simon & Schuster added. "As a publisher it will always be our mission to amplify a variety of voices and viewpoints: at the same time we take seriously our larger public responsibility as citizens, and cannot support Senator Hawley after his role in what became a dangerous threat to our democracy and freedom."
Hawley in a statement responded to Simon & Schuster's decision by calling the move "Orwellian" and a "direct assault on the First Amendment" — even though as a graduate of Yale Law School he likely knows the First Amendment is about government restricting free speech and not forcing a private company to publish his work.
With Nuzzi I have almost no doubts that came from Guiliani so it is highly suspect but that is the story they want out there though the 'low class' line rings true. That could have been easily said but just a throw away comment instead of an evaluation of the entire thing.hepcat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:36 pm I somehow doubt he was annoyed. Other accounts state he was giddy over their support.
That's much closer to a concession than I thought we'd ever see. If he hadn't been threatened with making it or face removal, I'm sure we wouldn't have. We know he can't go very long after doing something 'presidential' before reverting. I wonder how long he makes it this time.Grifman wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:22 pm https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 44550?s=20
Obviously staff pressure and legal pressure are getting to him. Too late, too late, blood is on his hands.
He doesn't realize that he's a low-class thing. Amazing.malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:33 pm "Annoyed". 5 people are dead.
https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/ ... 9049373696
"I said I'm sorrrryyyy! NOW GIVE ME MY PHONE OR I SWEAR I'LL NUKE IRAN!"hepcat wrote:I fully expect a Twitter ban by morning. He gets itchy fingers at night...and the only way to scratch that itch is to tweet, tweet, tweet.
Zaxxon wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:00 pmHe doesn't realize that he's a low-class thing. Amazing.malchior wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:33 pm "Annoyed". 5 people are dead.
https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/ ... 9049373696
Oh no! The MAGAs will boycott Simon & Schuster and stop buying books!Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:32 pm CNN
In an extraordinary move, Simon & Schuster announced Thursday that it would no longer publish a planned book by Sen. Josh Hawley, one of the Republican lawmakers who led objections to Congress certifying President-elect Joe Biden's victory.
"After witnessing the disturbing, deadly insurrection that took place on Wednesday in Washington, D.C., Simon & Schuster has decided to cancel publication of Senator Josh Hawley's forthcoming book," the company said in a statement.
"We did not come to this decision lightly," Simon & Schuster added. "As a publisher it will always be our mission to amplify a variety of voices and viewpoints: at the same time we take seriously our larger public responsibility as citizens, and cannot support Senator Hawley after his role in what became a dangerous threat to our democracy and freedom."
Hawley in a statement responded to Simon & Schuster's decision by calling the move "Orwellian" and a "direct assault on the First Amendment" — even though as a graduate of Yale Law School he likely knows the First Amendment is about government restricting free speech and not forcing a private company to publish his work.
The price for Hawley is getting even steeper. The largest newspaper in the state has roundly condemned him. Former Senator Jack Danforth, who supported Hawley replacing him in the Senate has publicly denounced him and regrets ever supporting him. And even bigger, his largest financial backer, who gave $2.5MM (and whose sister gave another $1.5MM) to his campaign has denounced him. He just lost his book deal, his political mentor and his number one financial backer in 24 hours. He may need to run for president because he might not win his Senate seat back.Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:32 pm CNN
In an extraordinary move, Simon & Schuster announced Thursday that it would no longer publish a planned book by Sen. Josh Hawley, one of the Republican lawmakers who led objections to Congress certifying President-elect Joe Biden's victory.
"After witnessing the disturbing, deadly insurrection that took place on Wednesday in Washington, D.C., Simon & Schuster has decided to cancel publication of Senator Josh Hawley's forthcoming book," the company said in a statement.
"We did not come to this decision lightly," Simon & Schuster added. "As a publisher it will always be our mission to amplify a variety of voices and viewpoints: at the same time we take seriously our larger public responsibility as citizens, and cannot support Senator Hawley after his role in what became a dangerous threat to our democracy and freedom."
Hawley in a statement responded to Simon & Schuster's decision by calling the move "Orwellian" and a "direct assault on the First Amendment" — even though as a graduate of Yale Law School he likely knows the First Amendment is about government restricting free speech and not forcing a private company to publish his work.
If the impeachment process was initiated but the trial was still in progress come the end of Trump's term, would it simply die on the Senate floor or could it be brought to a conclusion after he is no longer president? While removal from office would be moot, there might be value in requiring individual Senators to take a definitive position in either absolving or convicting him.2. Can Trump be impeached and removed quickly enough to matter?
Yes, but Congress would have to roll back much of the pomp and circumstance it has developed around the process.
With his incitement of the attack on the Capitol building, Trump cleared the hurdle of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” which, along with treason and bribery, is a constitutional trigger for impeachment. Articles of impeachment could be finalized within minutes and voted on with minimal debate. The Senate could then immediately convene to try the president. The Constitution requires “the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present” for conviction. It does not, however, require a lengthy trial or specific procedure, even though Congress has developed elaborate rules to govern—and elongate—the impeachment and trial process. The Senate played fast and loose with its own rules to facilitate Trump’s acquittal a year ago and could do the same in the other direction if its members had the will to secure a quick conviction.
But therein lies the main rub. The House and the Senate would need to meet to change their rules and allow an expedited process. Could it be done? Yes. Would it be easy? Not so much.
There’s a lot of machinery to move for that to happen in a timely fashion, and the president has only 13 days left in office. The president’s most rabid supporters in both chambers could still delay the rule changes needed to see this process through with due haste. And principles of justice would demand that President Trump, even in these circumstances, be afforded an adequate defense, necessarily prolonging any trial.
A second Trump impeachment, followed this time by conviction, would probably include the Senate’s disqualification of Trump from any future federal office, including the presidency—an option that only the impeachment and removal process offers. But the impeachment route takes a few days, even in a fastest-case scenario. In this intervening period an angry, vengeful Trump could do great additional damage.
If it removes him as a factor in '24 it's certainly worth pursuing. He's lost McConnell. Conviction is on the table.Max Peck wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:08 am If the impeachment process was initiated but the trial was still in progress come the end of Trump's term, would it simply die on the Senate floor or could it be brought to a conclusion after he is no longer president? While removal from office would be moot, there might be value in requiring individual Senators to take a definitive position in either absolving or convicting him.