[WW] TRON - Game Over - End of Line

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:12 pm

Thanks for the answers!

Scoop20906 wrote:
stessier wrote: Questions
[*]It is mentioned that there is a neutral victory condition, but I don't see it listed. (Could be I'm just blind.) There is no possible neutral victory condition. Can you refer me to the place where you see that referenced? [/list]

I misread. Under the Neutral programs, there was something that said if the game ended and a program is in the neutral state. I got my "programs" confused that thought that was referencing the game rather than the players.

Nothing to see here, move along.

More questions though:

When a player joins a team, is the Team "Captain" (Flynn/MCP/Thorne) given a count on their side? Not the names of the players, just how many are working for them? I ask because I could see one strategy being to join MCP to scan faster and get stuff, then go back to Users to actually win and save a backup of yourself.
If you scan a sector and are not awarded the program code, are you still made aware that it existed there?
Does each sector have one piece of code, or do some sectors have multiple pieces?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:34 pm

stessier wrote:More questions though:
When a player joins a team, is the Team "Captain" (Flynn/MCP/Thorne) given a count on their side? Not the names of the players, just how many are working for them? I ask because I could see one strategy being to join MCP to scan faster and get stuff, then go back to Users to actually win and save a backup of yourself. That is a viable strategy for an unnamed program to take. I tried to create small limitations that made the choice of switching teams a strategic one. If you have an idea for a limitation for the Users I'd be willing to hear it. However, I am worried about providing too much information about how many players are on a team. I did consider having a message posted by the moderator at the beginning of each uptime stating how many players are on each team but I think that might give way to much information away in small groups. Right now nothing is revealed based on the teams.

If you scan a sector and are not awarded the program code, are you still made aware that it existed there? Programs will simply recieve a result that they didn't find anything. Too much book keeping otherwise for me.

Does each sector have one piece of code, or do some sectors have multiple pieces? Sectors can be empty or have several pieces of code. It is going to be very random. Permissions bits will be spread more evenly.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:42 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
stessier wrote:More questions though:
When a player joins a team, is the Team "Captain" (Flynn/MCP/Thorne) given a count on their side? Not the names of the players, just how many are working for them? I ask because I could see one strategy being to join MCP to scan faster and get stuff, then go back to Users to actually win and save a backup of yourself. That is a viable strategy for an unnamed program to take. I tried to create small limitations that made the choice of switching teams a strategic one. If you have an idea for a limitation for the Users I'd be willing to hear it. However, I am worried about providing too much information about how many players are on a team. I did consider having a message posted by the moderator at the beginning of each uptime stating how many players are on each team but I think that might give way to much information away in small groups. Right now nothing is revealed based on the teams.

I like the limitations you have for joining each group. I'd have to think about Users a bit.

My thought was not telling everyone the teams, only the Captains (Flynn/MCP/Thorne). This gives the role a little more juice and lets them have something to talk about with their pings (otherwise I'm not really sure why they'd ever use them). So at Uptime Loop 1, the MCP knows he has 3 and on Uptime Loop 3 he learns he has none - he probably suspects they went to the Users.

Also it gives each side a time frame on when they can win. In that example, the MCP knows those 3 are with him on Uptime Loop 2 no matter what since they can't switch again that fast. Again - he doesn't have names, but he does have 3 who hope the other side doesn't win that Iteration.

Hmmm - and while thinking about this - maybe Thorne shouldn't know anything. Knowing how many are infected might be too strong? But the MCP and User knowledge will always be questionable because that don't know who is infected.

[*]Does each sector have one piece of code, or do some sectors have multiple pieces? Sectors can be empty or have several pieces of code. It is going to be very random. Permissions bits will be spread more evenly.[/list]

[/quote]

Why make that one even? Why not just make them all completely random and see how it goes?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:09 pm

stessier wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
stessier wrote:More questions though:
When a player joins a team, is the Team "Captain" (Flynn/MCP/Thorne) given a count on their side? Not the names of the players, just how many are working for them? I ask because I could see one strategy being to join MCP to scan faster and get stuff, then go back to Users to actually win and save a backup of yourself. That is a viable strategy for an unnamed program to take. I tried to create small limitations that made the choice of switching teams a strategic one. If you have an idea for a limitation for the Users I'd be willing to hear it. However, I am worried about providing too much information about how many players are on a team. I did consider having a message posted by the moderator at the beginning of each uptime stating how many players are on each team but I think that might give way to much information away in small groups. Right now nothing is revealed based on the teams.
I like the limitations you have for joining each group. I'd have to think about Users a bit.

My thought was not telling everyone the teams, only the Captains (Flynn/MCP/Thorne). This gives the role a little more juice and lets them have something to talk about with their pings (otherwise I'm not really sure why they'd ever use them). So at Uptime Loop 1, the MCP knows he has 3 and on Uptime Loop 3 he learns he has none - he probably suspects they went to the Users.

Also it gives each side a time frame on when they can win. In that example, the MCP knows those 3 are with him on Uptime Loop 2 no matter what since they can't switch again that fast. Again - he doesn't have names, but he does have 3 who hope the other side doesn't win that Iteration.

Hmmm - and while thinking about this - maybe Thorne shouldn't know anything. Knowing how many are infected might be too strong? But the MCP and User knowledge will always be questionable because that don't know who is infected.

Ok, I like the idea. I will update it where both Flynn and the MCP will be informed of their total team count (including named programs). Thorne will not be given a count. Also, one thing to think about. Just because a player joins the Corruption team doesn't mean he is automatically infected.

But in the end, an unnamed program can't win unless he is on the winning team. Also, I expect it to be very difficult for the MPC to stamp out the corruption for his winning condition without alot of help from unnamed programs and I expect he is going to want to leave as many of the unnamed programs alive as long as he can to prevent the possible Corruption victory condition being met.

stessier wrote:
[*]Does each sector have one piece of code, or do some sectors have multiple pieces? Sectors can be empty or have several pieces of code. It is going to be very random. Permissions bits will be spread more evenly.[/list]

Why make that one even? Why not just make them all completely random and see how it goes?[/quote] Ok, all random is easier for me too.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:40 pm

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:43 pm

WOO-HOO!!!

/*Snoopy Dance */

Watch us end up killing him on the first day.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:55 pm

Austin wrote:

Cool, nice to have you back!

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:08 pm

Austin wrote:[url =http://www.whattheheckimightaswell.com][/url]

Look at him trying to be sneaky...

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:31 pm

Austin wrote:

WOOOOHOOOO!

welcome back good sir...hope you can get a few game in before your adventures in the African continent

. (ps - my bond game is next, stick around for that if ya will

)

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:51 pm

Austin wrote:

I just got a tinkly feeling all over...

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:14 pm

Neat.. Good to have you back Austin!!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:17 pm

Lassr wrote:
Austin wrote:
I just got a tinkly feeling all over...

Ewwww.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:40 pm

Awwww. Now I have to play just so I can be all suspicious of Austin while pointing out his errors in interpreting the rule set that neither one of us will have read. In.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:10 pm

Africa should not happen until May, and they do have tubes there. So I should be able to make it through at least one day/night cycle.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:52 pm

Lassr wrote:
Austin wrote:
I just got a tinkly feeling all over...

urine?

either way, I'm in.

and Welcome Back Austin!

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:09 pm

Austin wrote:Africa should not happen until May, and they do have tubes there. So I should be able to make it through at least one day/night cycle.

cool - wasnt sure if you were going to be out in the bush or in the major towns (just saw your post that you were taking off). Good luck though. Africa is a cool place. lived there for a year when i was a kid.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:28 pm

Unagi wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Austin wrote:
I just got a tinkly feeling all over...
urine?

either way, I'm in.

and Welcome Back Austin!

Ha! Tingly...

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:31 pm

Did you fill up?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:15 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Did you fill up?

Asking Lassr or Scoop?

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:23 pm

stessier wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Did you fill up?
Asking Lassr or Scoop?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:34 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Did you fill up?

Nope. Still need two more. Are you in??

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:11 pm

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:23 pm

Great! That leaves one spot left. Its yours if you want it Chaos. First come first serve!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:26 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: Are you in??

I'm guessing Chaos gets asked that question a lot.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:59 pm

She said 'is that a roll of pennies in yer pocket?' so I offered to knock some cents into her. Yeah, I will take that last slot.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:07 pm

Coolio!!

Randomizing Rolez...
Distributing Code...
Reticulating Splines...

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:17 pm

The game has changed and the only way to win is to survive...

Some have asked, has the System always been this way? When did the System first come on-line? Was it created by a User like the stories we hear about Flynn?

If Flynn was the User and created the System, created EVERYTHING, then where is he now?

The MCP tells us that the System was made perfect by him and that Users would only destroy the System if given access to it. The MCP maintains order for us and in doing so has created the perfect system. Gridbugs no longer menace us and every program has access necessary to perform his function. Power is distributed efficiently and the game grid provides entertainment. However, with the order the MCP brings also comes restrictions. No program has had access from outside the system in cycles so long ago that now one remembers. Perhaps the MCP even deleted these memories? Who can tell.

Some believe in the MCP and support his vision of a perfect System. To disagree is to be sent to the games grid where a program fights for and eventually loses his life.

Some whisper about the Users and Flynn. They whisper about how Flynn created the System and everything in it including the MCP and they whisper that Flynn will return to free the System and open it up to the outside again. Access to new data. Just think of it. Of course, those programs who whisper such things also quickly get recruited to fight and die on the game grid.

Some wish for greater freedoms than even promised by the Users. Some wish to see the System remade into something new where corruption reigns. To wish for this is madness but for some madness would be better than control by the MCP or Users.

===========================================

All unnamed programs in this game have a choice.

Which side will they choose to fight for?

Will you fight for the Users and a free, uncontrolled, inefficient and sometimes buggy system?

Will you fight for the control and efficiency that the MCP brings? Order and safety?

Will you fight to spread the corruption? Better to be on the winning side of something new and dangerous then to be derezzed, right?

Programs, the choice is yours.

===========================================

The game will begin with Downtime 0.

Downtime Boilerplate:
All orders must be in before the hard deadline, or forfeit;
Downtime deadlines are normally 24 hours unless this occurs on a weekend where more time may be granted;

The Hard Deadline for orders will be posted once all role PMs have been picked up. In the meantime, if you have orders please PM to the mod as soon as possible.

All Programs: Select a sector (1 thru 64) to search. (Search Sector ??)
All Programs: Do you wish to run code?
All Programs: Do you wish to login to a team?
Flynn: Will you use your back up and if so on who?
Quorra: Who will you use your anti-virus program on?
Thorpe: Who will you infect?
Daft Punk - Guy-Manuel: If already corrupted, who will you infect?
Daft Punk - Thomas: If already corrupted, who will you infect?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:10 pm

Newcastle wrote:
Austin wrote:Africa should not happen until May, and they do have tubes there. So I should be able to make it through at least one day/night cycle.
cool - wasnt sure if you were going to be out in the bush or in the major towns (just saw your post that you were taking off). Good luck though. Africa is a cool place. lived there for a year when i was a kid.

"Cool" is not the word I would use to describe it.

Maybe the Kalahari at night. But yeah, we will be in a bustling village with 30,000 people.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:47 am

50y13n+.GR/\/ is Programs!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:17 am

working....

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:25 am

Processing.......Insufficient memory to initialize rules

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:49 am

Scanning

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:26 pm

REM Startup Basic Systems

Initialize();
StartInterface(duplicity=0);
if(duplicity==0)
{
.....echo "Greetings Programs";
}else{
.....echo "Greetings... Programs";
.....Grin(evil=on);
}

REM TODO: Add apologies to users of black pearl for color choices

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:29 pm

Load BIOS
Memory Set
System Status
OK_

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:11 pm

MOD NOTES: Small rulez correction that I missed and has now been corrected. Changes are in bold red.

Quorra:

Quorra is the last surviving ISO. Isomorphic Algorithms (better known as ISOs) are a race of programs that spontaneously evolved on the Grid, as opposed to being created by users. Their existence is considered a miracle by Kevin Flynn, however the MPC considers them to be an obstruction and has hunted them to the brink of extinction. ISOs have a natural affinity to the Grid and are able to remove corruption. Flynn has kept Quorra's existence a secret in order to protect her and what will happen to the Grid if she is derezzed.

Last ISO : If Quorra is derezzed or terminated part of the Grid will derezzed with her. One quarter of all programs will randomly be derezzed instantly. Only Flynn as a User-Program is immune. ;

Anti-Virus : Quorra is able to use her natural "Anti-Virus" ability each Downtime.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:22 pm

All roles have been received!

The game will begin with Downtime 0.

Downtime Boilerplate:
All orders must be in before the hard deadline, or forfeit;
Downtime deadlines are normally 24 hours unless this occurs on a weekend where more time may be granted;

The Hard Deadline for orders will Friday, January 28, 2011 by 1:00 pm (eastern time zone).

All Programs: Select a sector (1 thru 64) to search. (Search Sector ??)
All Programs: Do you wish to run code?
All Programs: Do you wish to login to a team?
Flynn: Will you use your back up and if so on who?
Quorra: Who will you use your anti-virus program on?
Thorpe: Who will you infect?
Daft Punk - Guy-Manuel: If already corrupted, who will you infect?
Daft Punk - Thomas: If already corrupted, who will you infect?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:36 pm

I'm a Chemical Engineer, not a Computer Program!

Code: Select all

10 Print "Hello World"
20 Goto 10

Run

Sectoid · Post by **Sectoid** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:41 pm

Load "*",8,1

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:03 pm

QUESTION=\"is there any desire to try and coordinate Sector searches\?\"
export QUESTION

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:08 pm

Unagi wrote:QUESTION=\"is there any desire to try and coordinate Sector searches\?\"
export QUESTION

I thought about this as well. Because of how the sector results are determined, I think it is better to say what Sector you searched in the morning. Otherwise, with MCP's side getting extra searches, they could make sure we never get a clean search and significantly increase their chances of getting code.