No water....NOPE! ...no water AGAIN!...yes again

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:36 am

That sounds right. The builder/owner is responsible for hooking into the city water line.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:45 am

Daehawk wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:46 pm Even if I needed to use the tub that way I have no cash for any of that. Bought the last of the food the other day. Will have more money come the 3rd of Nov. Have to make do until then with what we have.

Isn't being low on cash one of the reasons Al Gore invented craigslist?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:52 am

If so its not used as it should be as doing my monthly dream search yields riding mowers at $500 and a 980 ti card at $600

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:27 pm

Was just wondering if my home owners insurance would cover this. It does cover unlivable stuff and water is a basic necessity . I think a house is considered unlivable if it does not have water right? If so I can get it fixed as my deductible is only $500 and I can borrow that.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:16 pm

Daehawk wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:27 pm Was just wondering if my home owners insurance would cover this. It does cover unlivable stuff and water is a basic necessity . I think a house is considered unlivable if it does not have water right? If so I can get it fixed as my deductible is only $500 and I can borrow that.

I'd be surprised if it did, but it's worth finding out.

Has it been raining? Can you collect it in a kiddie pool and/or buckets? Can you get 5 gallon jugs of drinking water anywhere?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:35 pm

Around noon the fireman brought down 2 50gal plastic rainwater drums with spigots attached. But nowhere to fill them up. All neighbors were not home. So they are sitting out there. No rain and no way to mod my gutter for it anyways.

He had planned to use a neighbor to fill them up and dolly them back. They weigh over 400 lbs full each. Ive tried to contact my cousin who has a farm to see if anyone had an irrigation tub ..you know the type that is on a tractor...but no luck. SO I have a well 20 feet from my door, a fire hydrant at the end of my drive way, and 2 50 gal water barrels....and no water.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:22 pm

5th day without water with no help coming. Today I plan to put a message in a bottle and throw it into the well. I hope help arrives soon.

In all seriousness I have called everyone that could might maybe help and nothing. No hope of anything right now. The closest help we have are the two empty 50 gal drums.

I hate to even mention it but we have had to start wondering if we are just going to stop paying insurance and bankruptcy and simply walk away. At this point we have no options and no future. This is my wife's childhood home and been mine with her for 30 years. But trying to get by without water these days is a bit different that say the 1870s..

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:57 pm

Ok Ive officially contacted all help agencies and no one can help at all.

Called both well drilling places including the one that installed it. That place quoted me $1500 to even start and goes up from there and refused to do it anyways and left.

The second place says its $100 to come out and look at it and to cover the first hour of work. And he talked like its a no go. Dont have $100 anyways...especially not to waste.

Cant sell the house because of bankruptcy. Guess us and the house will become very stinky quickly....unless it happens to catch fire.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:00 pm

cant you get water from the fire hydrant or is that linked to the well?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:18 pm

Its illegal to tap a hydrant.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:18 pm

Daehawk wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:52 am If so its not used as it should be as doing my monthly dream search yields riding mowers at $500 and a 980 ti card at $600

I meant, have you nothing to sell? Sometimes sacrifices have to be made. I just yesterday made a bulk sale of stuff that I really, really, really didn't want to sell, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Maybe someday I can buy some of those things again.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:37 pm

No..sold all I can over the years. Have very important rings in pawn now. Looking at that stuff is a dream thing I do for fun.

A cousin has found a 150' or so hose I can use if I can catch my neighbor home to get water into the barrels.

Barring that I found an equipment rental place in town. Tomorrow Ill see if they rent a pump of some type that would let me get what water is in my well out and into the barrels. If its cheap enough and I can get ti here..even IF they rent something.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:48 pm

Sounds like maybe (if you're lucky) you have a short-term solution, but I do think you need to figure out how to get yourself attached to the city water ASAP. I know in the towns where I used to work there was money available for assistance with hookups - mainly because there'd always be someone in financial straights and unable to pay but they'd be forced into a connection. Our laws in NJ are such that if you're on private water (a well) and it goes dry, you wouldn't be issued a new well-drilling permit if a public water connection is available. It's the same for septic systems (when they fail). I don't understand the resistance to connect (other than the money) but there's always a way to figure out payments because you can't live without water in your house...that's unreasonable. I know you've called around to everyone you can think but what about your local elected officials? They might know of services or grant funding to help get you connected. If the only thing you can do is pay off your connection fee over time with the city water folks, that's likely your best bet. Having your house on public water is an asset.

Anonymous Bosch · Post by **Anonymous Bosch** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:51 pm

Em2nought makes a valid point, Daehawk; given the precarious nature of your situation, you need to seriously consider liquidating whatever you have left (e.g. if you own video games consoles with a collection of games, that's worth something on the secondary market).

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:02 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:48 pm Sounds like maybe (if you're lucky) you have a short-term solution, but I do think you need to figure out how to get yourself attached to the city water ASAP. I know in the towns where I used to work there was money available for assistance with hookups - mainly because there'd always be someone in financial straights and unable to pay but they'd be forced into a connection. Our laws in NJ are such that if you're on private water (a well) and it goes dry, you wouldn't be issued a new well-drilling permit if a public water connection is available. It's the same for septic systems (when they fail). I don't understand the resistance to connect (other than the money) but there's always a way to figure out payments because you can't live without water in your house...that's unreasonable. I know you've called around to everyone you can think but what about your local elected officials? They might know of services or grant funding to help get you connected. If the only thing you can do is pay off your connection fee over time with the city water folks, that's likely your best bet. Having your house on public water is an asset.

This. Ten-ish years ago I had to call on state assistance to get my heating hooked up. There is always someone willing to help. You just have to decide to figure out who they are. Most of the time making your best guess and then just asking will get you pointed in the right direction.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:39 am

Emergency Assistance Program - Community Services

921 East Third St
Chattanooga-Hamilton County Health Dept
Chattanooga, TN 37403
(423) 209-8374
www.hamiltontn.gov

http://tn211.mycommunitypt.com/index.ph ... &id=405530

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:49 am

So.... can we, as a community, get some water shipped to Daehawk?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:09 am

I can pay for the stamps and envelopes.

Thanks em Ill see if theres Emergency Assistance Program for me here.

EDIT: Just in case you were serious about shipping water..that would be too much costs and trouble to bother. Tomorrow Im hoping to get in touch with this guy besides me..he is a fireman with weird hours...and my cousin has access to a 150' hose now. So I 'should' be able to get these barrels filled. If I need drinking water I have $7 for more of that or I can boil the barrel water when I get some. But thank you for the thought. Does warm a tired out with the silly world heart.

If I needed utility bill help thats there....if I needed a place to live thats there......theres ALL kinds of help.......except for those who have a home and want to keep it.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:59 am

Anonymous Bosch wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:51 pm Em2nought makes a valid point, Daehawk; given the precarious nature of your situation, you need to seriously consider liquidating whatever you have left (e.g. if you own video games consoles with a collection of games, that's worth something on the secondary market).

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

This is Daehawk we're talking about. Selling any of his consoles or games will never happen.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:23 am

Perhaps there's a cloud solution that we could pursue.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:44 am

Rain water is a cloud solution.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:51 am

McNutt wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:44 am Rain water is a cloud solution.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:54 am

Isgrimnur wrote:
McNutt wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:44 am Rain water is a cloud solution.

Dammit. I came in late and thought you were talking about a solution for his games.

Post by **FishPants** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:43 pm

A quick look on homedepot.com and I see a deep well jet pump for $230. Why have you not purchased this and replaced your current pump? You're able to borrow $500, why not borrow the $230 and put in the pump?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:03 pm

Im not able to put a pump in. No tools, expertise, or physical ability. Looking at the pump its not like ours. No idea why or what is different. Still trying to catch a neighbor to use that hose to get water. Cousin suggested a gofundme but I know no one online and dont want to beg for money like that. Dishes stink when they sit..just realized that.

Just from getting that 5 gal out of the well Saturday Ive not been able to move much and Im so sore with my back out now Im worse than ever. This is 3 days later too! lol. Being handicapped is not the thing to be when something needs doing.

Post by **FishPants** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:24 pm

This does not seem like it's a difficult thing to do. There's two, maybe three pipes that you move to the new pump and plug it in.

If you could lug a bucket of water out of a well that you just lifted the well cap off of -- you can move three pipes to a new pump and plug it in. Check out the video, it's easy.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:26 pm

There is probably a guy around your Home Depot that would love to do it for $200.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:53 pm

Ill try to explain the problem.

40 lb pump, under a front porch that has a 2 foot opening and doesn't get taller, to pipes that barely stick out of the ground to no tools at all to no experience to the worst part...im disabled because of a rotten ADDD back. No not attention deficit

Advanced Deteriorated Disk Disease. I dont stand or walk well and I CANNOT lift at all. I have tingles and numbness in my legs along with severe pain..hence the opiate pain meds. If I did try and messed it or me up worse then it would be even more to fix..and I dont fix.

As for those buckets I took out of the well. It is a mop bucket the size of 1 gal and it was never half full and took me about an hour to get 5 gal total. I still can barely get out or into a chair now 3 days later. Its just out of the question for me and family has no idea how to do it either Im afraid. If I could fix it I would not be without water for 5 days now with weeks or more ahead of me if I cant work something out. Wearing my back brace has not helped btw.

Not trying to be a pity me booboo party here. Just trying to explain. And my posting are for two reasons...one I get to vent a little and feel better by talking about it plus I may find help and info here. Like you posted about the pump. Its not like whats in there but its at a good price for sure. I can now try to find out why its cheaper than whats in it and if it would work. So that helps. But for installing it myself you might as well be a tv evangelist telling a real paralyzed man to get up and walk and showing him a video on how to do it ...its so simple

EDIT: That small area to work in is why I think even the pro guy that came out and looked refused to do it..a pro who does it every day for years and years and you're telling me I can do it

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:40 pm

Daehawk wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:18 pm Its illegal to tap a hydrant.

Start a small fire in backyard
Put water collection containers near fire
Catch spray from firehoses
OR
tap hydrant. dont get caught.
OR
tap hydrant. get caught. go to jail. jail has water. bring water collection containers to jail.
OR
(Serious one) Go to fire department. explain situation. maybe they can tap hydrant. (maybe have "training" in your area)

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:53 pm

Do you belong to a church? If not is there a church in your area? You're just asking for someone to fill the water jugs in the short term...a church shoukd be able to help.

Have you called your local United Way? Our local one would be a huge help jn this situation. They dont provide assistance directly but will know the agencies to put you in touch with to get you what you need.

Do you have a local Meals on Wheels? Even getting disability, you must qualify for some meals which will help you stretch your food budget. Again, our local United Way would help get this set up.

Edit: To call the United Way in your area, dial 211 and they will help connect you with agencies that can help.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:48 pm

Called United Way..couldn't help. gave me numbers to 5 or 6 others...who couldn't help. Called churches. No help. Found two places that came close'ish. one only helped pay utilities bills...the second did the same and capped at $75.

Have been looking into that meals thing since this started. haven't spoken to anyone yet.

Also I called a bunch of other places..Salvation Army, Red Cross, and habitat for humanity..no help.

Someone got in touch with me and provided me with a number to a state rep and also someone else to call. Them and family are both saying star ta goFundMe. Said if people can beg for money to go on vacation I might as well try to get some to live.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:53 pm

What are you asking these people for? There isnt a church in your area who will fill the water jugs?

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:04 pm

stessier wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:53 pm What are you asking these people for? There isnt a church in your area who will fill the water jugs?

I think he's contacting them for help with a long term solution, not just filling water jugs.

I think Smoove's advice is best and you should definitely be working toward a city water hookup. Gofundme isn't a bad idea.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:55 pm

Was looking into both city and fixing the well. I have the barrels filled with water now. And my neighbor says I can refill them any time I want. I washed the dishes and flushed the toilet after 5 days. You never know just how bad it is without water until you're without it.

So far this is what Ive found.

CITY:
$925 up front for them to install their meter. After that im responsible for it all. It has to be run from there to the house and hooked up. $50 for plumbing permit, $75 an hour for plumber plus parts and hookup which is piping and pressure regulator as far as I can tell. Also im responsible for the meter to the house from now on whatever happens.

WELL:
Pump like mine is at least $500. A guy quoted $100 to come out and look at it and cover the first hour work. I still dont know why that one on HomeDepot is cheaper.

Both jobs in my mind are an hour of work..2 at most. But knowing business these days that 2 hours will equal 3 days.

My neighbor is looking into people he knows who may help with the pump and install. If so then I can save a lot of cash.

As for GFM Ive never dealt with that. I dont like begging for anything. It took me two days to ask about borrowing that water from my neighbor and it takes me time to sit here and worry when I ask for some free game someone puts up in the free game thread. I tear myself up inside over this stuff. My chest has been hurting all day. Hoping its just a stress heartburn but I cant get rid of it. And no Im not going to a doc. More money. But Im looking into GFM to see how it works. Im not sure how anyone would even see it. people must have to troll it to find stuff to help with. i dont get that.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:09 pm

Wanted to add...something about GFM weighs on my mind. From what I can tell $2000 would cover it. But say I did somehow get that $2000 and then the entire job came to like $1400. Id feel bad about that extra $600. Is there a way to see who donated what so I could send parts back or something?.....ya stupid shit like that worries me while other people as for $25k or whatever to go on a vacation. Im weird...ask my wife.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:17 pm

You can see who donated what, but I have a feeling most would tell you to fix something else that's broken and essential - heater, broken windows, etc.

killbot737 · Post by **killbot737** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:18 pm

So the city $925 covers running (underground) pipe up to your house from the city line and all that fun work too? You'd better make sure. 3x sure. Get a quote in writing from the city before anything happens. Hell, have it notarized. For something dealing with a government agency I might just do that.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:26 pm

No the $925 is simply for them to install a meter at the road. Im responsible from there to my home and hooking it in. They refuse to do it and add it to my monthly bill. I could handle that. They want all that right then and there before they come out. Id have to hire my own plumber from their meter to the home. Plus all the digging.

Not to pry into anyones privacy but has anyone used GFM?

killbot737 · Post by **killbot737** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:33 pm

If that is the case (and I've never heard of a water meter being installed roadside, but I don't live where you do) you're going to want to raise your GFM to at least $5k. Or get some quotes for (all of) the work and then you'll be better able to judge what you think it will cost.

No reputable company will charge you to give you a quote. If they do they're (going to be) ripping you off.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:35 pm

I have. I did it a few years ago when my van died and I didn't have any way to get the kids to school. It was my last resort, but the kids made getting a working vehicle a non-choice.