Octopus Overlords

Well that was over quickly. I have to wonder considering the situation with Manchin and Sinema if the Democrats should just keep running popular legislation up the flagpole and make a point about how they need people to turn out or its over? I really don't know what else they should do at this point.

Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

Ya we're running all over you. Glad you got this one victory whew!

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

Welcome back. Even though I disagree with everything you just said.

Now, what do we do about the overwhelming tyranny of the minority that's been running the nation for the past decade?

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:43 am

+1

Reading the stories about this today I'm just shaking my head. The very serious people want to frame this as a Democratic party failure and a 'setback for Biden' instead of what it is -- a failure of democracy.

malchior wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:40 am Reading the stories about this today I'm just shaking my head. The very serious people want to frame this as a Democratic party failure and a 'setback for Biden' instead of what it is -- a failure of democracy.

That's how it was framed on the Today show I saw on my way out the door. I had to take a deep breath before starting to drive.

msduncan wrote:Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

Is this serious? Cheering for two “brave” Senators that stood up for the death of our Republic? I guess tyranny is ok, as long as the minority gets to impose it.

RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:05 am I guess tyranny is ok, as long as the minority gets to impose it.

As long as it's the right minority. Then we get our guns to "assist" the police, stop the steal, and support the thin blue line, try to stop other states from submitting their votes, and endorse fake electoral documents.

I'm still boiling over at the minority in my state trying to throw out my vote so they could make themselves appear the majority and then have other states try to throw out my vote so they could appear the majority and then have the minority in my state forge documents as if they were the majority. There is a forgiveness I don't see myself finding.

BTW - I wish we were seeing more of this and less of the Dem/Rep east-side/west-side bullshit that oligarchs are stuffing down our throats vis a vis the 'very serious people'. She attacks the bullshit premise of the question and then expands out to explain the whole problem with examples in under 2 minutes.

I just...I can't believe there are people that are trying to seriously argue efforts focused on making it more difficult to vote is a good thing. Knowing full well just how few people vote, you'd think we'd be exploring efforts to make it easier - assuming the difficulty is a barrier.

I mean, unless of course you're afraid of what might happen when more people actually vote. Then of course you should be supporting anything that makes it more difficult.

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

Thanks, I needed that laugh this morning.

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:57 am I just...I can't believe there are people that are trying to seriously argue efforts focused on making it more difficult to vote is a good thing. Knowing full well just how few people vote, you'd think we'd be exploring efforts to make it easier - assuming the difficulty is a barrier.

I mean, unless of course you're afraid of what might happen when more people actually vote. Then of course you should be supporting anything that makes it more difficult.

The Federalist approach has long been the idea that the majority will vote themselves them money at the expense of the producers. Communism, socialism, etc...

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msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

You are one seriously ignorant and apparently uneducated redneck. Carry on.

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

What does that even mean?

How was this bill going to cause the death of our republic?

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:19 am

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

What does that even mean?

How was this bill going to cause the death of our republic?

Because "those" people would have the ability to vote, duh.

LordMortis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:10 am

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:57 am I just...I can't believe there are people that are trying to seriously argue efforts focused on making it more difficult to vote is a good thing. Knowing full well just how few people vote, you'd think we'd be exploring efforts to make it easier - assuming the difficulty is a barrier.

I mean, unless of course you're afraid of what might happen when more people actually vote. Then of course you should be supporting anything that makes it more difficult.

The Federalist approach has long been the idea that the majority will vote themselves them money at the expense of the producers. Communism, socialism, etc...

Right - it is baked into the country. It's always been a balancing act between plutocrats/oligarchs and the people. And the Senate has almost always been the brake controlling progress. I've been arguing that we're dangerously veered into the orbit of oligarch control. The evidence is all around us.

For example, the Senate for instance implicitly created an economic policy that has threatened children with poverty/hunger to drive their parents to go to work in a deadly pandemic. Manchin can bleat all he wants about moral hazards and inflation but for men like him it is about taking for themselves from those who can't protect themselves. And they've now gotten the nation to a point where they can finally end the cycle of teetering between progress and control. They are taking their shot to make sure they are always calling the shots and collecting their rents.

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:21 am

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:19 am

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

What does that even mean?

How was this bill going to cause the death of our republic?

Because "those" people would have the ability to vote, duh.

I don't think msd is a racist, but I would like to hear his explanation.

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:25 am

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:21 am

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:19 am

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

What does that even mean?

How was this bill going to cause the death of our republic?

Because "those" people would have the ability to vote, duh.

I don't think msd is a racist, but I would like to hear his explanation.

In this context, I was defining "those" as anyone who doesn't vote straight GOP.

geezer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:16 am

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

You are one seriously ignorant and apparently uneducated redneck. Carry on.

Let's keep the personal attacks out of it, please.

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:25 am

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:21 am

noxiousdog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:19 am

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

What does that even mean?

How was this bill going to cause the death of our republic?

Because "those" people would have the ability to vote, duh.

I don't think msd is a racist, but I would like to hear his explanation.

Since I highly doubt we'll get an answer, here's my guess (based on his previous stances). He is likely a firm believer there was widespread voter fraud in the last election. If that's the starting paradigm, then one would view more restrictive voting policies as wholly necessary to save the country from "those" (again, non-GOP) voters gaining an unfair advantage.

The starting paradigm is fundamentally flawed and without any merit whatsoever, of course, but that doesn't really seem to matter anymore.

I thought he was commenting on protecting the filibuster, not the reason for the filibuster.

Yeah, if you think that think that illegal votes are a widespread danger or problem, then that will dramatically change your views about voting restrictions. At that point it's not really voting restrictions, it's voting security. At least, that's the pitch that Fox News is continually making to the GOP base (and depending in part on which part of the conservative media you are in, there's continual insinuations about which groups are trying to get a lot of illegal votes cast).

The vast majority of Republicans legit think that there are dead people voting, fake ballots everywhere etc. Despite the fact that there's almost zero evidence of this happening at all. The majority of people caught in the last election were Republican's and then we're talking such a small amount that it doesn't matter. Trump took what they have always been saying and dialed it up to 11. I don't know how we fight back this nonsense.

stessier wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:25 pm I thought he was commenting on protecting the filibuster, not the reason for the filibuster.

Well both. The "tyranny of the majority" part is about the filibuster, the "federalization of the elections" is about the voting rights bill.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:27 pm

stessier wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:25 pm I thought he was commenting on protecting the filibuster, not the reason for the filibuster.

Well both. The "tyranny of the majority" part is about the filibuster, the "federalization of the elections" is about the voting rights bill.

Ah, I went back and re-read and you are right. I kind of glazed over the second sentence on the first read through.

noxiousdog wrote:I don't think msd is a racist, but I would like to hear his explanation.

I don’t think that it’s specific racial animosity. The people writing the laws are racist as shit, but they write them and sell them as “protecting the integrity” of elections - because if it’s not hard to vote, the assumption is that your enemies will cheat the system.

Oddly enough, most of those found to be cheating, are cheating for msduncan’s team.

MSD has been operating on a steady diet of carefully packaged propaganda for a long time. I’m not sure why anyone is surprised that he thinks that making it harder for Americans to vote staves off the death of the Republic.

He knows that the outcome would be to make it harder for his minority viewpoints to be imposed on the country - and that would be the end of everything for him.

Now that that battle has been won, I guess it's time to put more effort into the war on Christians that the right has been BADLY losing for the last 30 years. It's past time to stop the discrimination! Enough with the white protestant church burning! The martyrdom! The federally enforced "I'm a Christian" badges! The MEAN WORDS on mainstream media!!!

Also, related to that, the War on Christmas has gone a bit cold. Need to ramp that up some more.

RunningMn9 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:52 pmMSD has been operating on a steady diet of carefully packaged propaganda

Huh. I would have never guessed that based on his absurd drive-by trolling/bait/post.

You DO have to give it to the right and the right wing media in general though. They are absolute pros at taking a thing or phrase or idea that the left uses, and then using that same phrase or concept in their own playbook ("death of the republic" in this case, but there are so many more examples).

Once you understand that the GOP projects literally EVERYTHING, every action they take becomes completely predictable.

YellowKing wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:23 pm Once you understand that the GOP projects literally EVERYTHING

It sure feels that way, doesn't it? Like the ultimate in obvious gaslighting and feigned shock.

#GovernedByNarcissists

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:43 am

msduncan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 am Victory for minority party protection and against tyranny of the majority today.

Thanks to the two brave Senators that stood up to the federalization of our elections and the death of our Republic. Kudos.

I think it worked.

Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:24 am Mitch McConnell saying the quiet parts out loud again.

This reminds me about something a black guy told me that I was interviewing once. He was ADAMANT about not being called "African-American". He actually changed my personal view on that as well, not that it matters that much what I think. But I think if I were black, I would much prefer to be called "black". As this guy put it, he felt that it diminished his "Americanism", by hyphenating it. I think he even said "I'm not half African, and half American, I'm 100% American, and just happen to be black!"

It does seem odd assuming a Black person is of African descent.

In before the we're all of African descent reply.

Or American.

I once seriously annoyed a Black friend by calling him African American. He was not of African descent.

I've avoided the term since.