[Disney+] Marvel Studios' Secret Invasion

[disarm]

I totally get that it's Skrull specific, that was made very clear. My point is...

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Captain Marvel's power shouldn't be genetic. The Hulk being mutated by gamma rays and developing his abilities? Sure, radiation causing mutation is real. Powers from an Infinity Stone being copied by trans-species gene splicing? That one bothers me

[Punisher]

I totally get that it's Skrull specific, that was made very clear. My point is...

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Captain Marvel's power shouldn't be genetic. The Hulk being mutated by gamma rays and developing his abilities? Sure, radiation causing mutation is real. Powers from an Infinity Stone being copied by trans-species gene splicing? That one bothers me

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my guess is that they would argue that the Infinity Stone did change her on a genetic level. Her powers are a part of her now.

[hepcat]

My favorite bit?

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Ms. Super Skrull kills Mr. Super Skrull with a blast of energy to the chest. Why didn’t either of them just lead with that?

[Unagi]

My favorite bit?

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Ms. Super Skrull kills Mr. Super Skrull with a blast of energy to the chest. Why didn’t either of them just lead with that?

I agree entirely with that - I had the same reaction.

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I assumed we were headed for a more Highlander resolution.

[Punisher]

My favorite bit?

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Ms. Super Skrull kills Mr. Super Skrull with a blast of energy to the chest. Why didn’t either of them just lead with that?

I agree entirely with that - I had the same reaction.

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I assumed we were headed for a more Highlander resolution.

Shouldn't that be

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we were beheaded for a more Highlander resolution

I'll see myself out thank you.

[Unagi]

My favorite bit?

Spoiler:

Ms. Super Skrull kills Mr. Super Skrull with a blast of energy to the chest. Why didn’t either of them just lead with that?

I agree entirely with that - I had the same reaction.

Spoiler:

I assumed we were headed for a more Highlander resolution.

Shouldn't that be

Spoiler:

we were beheaded for a more Highlander resolution

I'll see myself out thank you.

No, actually - I liked the pun the way I had it.

[Scraper]

My favorite bit?

Spoiler:

Ms. Super Skrull kills Mr. Super Skrull with a blast of energy to the chest. Why didn’t either of them just lead with that?

I agree entirely with that - I had the same reaction.

Spoiler:

I assumed we were headed for a more Highlander resolution.

Shouldn't that be

Spoiler:

we were beheaded for a more Highlander resolution

I'll see myself out thank you.

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I kept expecting him to heal and get back up after that attack, it seemed rather silly to me that a shot to the chest was all it would take when everywhere else on his body had the ability to heal extremely quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still alive in future shows and movies.

[Unagi]

Ultimately my problem with 'the ending' ...

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I think it's a 'jump the shark' moment when you resort to giving someone "everyone's power" permanently. And of course, it takes away from all the other heroes if she can do what they all can do. She can't exist and keep the MU actually fun, IMO.
I'm not sure how they will handle it... will they just let her story 'drop'? Seems weird. Her name, Gaia, makes me think she may actually become a host planet herself someday. But in any case, it's almost like they made a McGuffin character here... She's key to this story, but - I can't see her being a part of things going forward (not in her current state).

[Smoove_B]

I am in the camp that was also disappointed. I'm not sure how I expected it to all go, but the ending just felt...off. The one thing I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet regarding the series end:

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The President is declaring war on aliens? That feels like it will have a rather large impact on the MCU moving forward, no?

[Malificent]

I guess I would just like something MCU to be able to stand on its own and not be purely about setting up future things. Hawkeye, for example, felt perfectly good as its own contained series. This just felt like something that existed just to prop up something in the future.

Also, I think I'm generally not in favor of the 6 episode mini-series. Make it shorter (i.e., a movie) and force yourself to edit or make it longer and give it room to breathe.

[El Guapo]

Meh.

Also, one thing I really can't figure out re: Fury and Rhodes:

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Fury confronts "Rhodes" (the Skrull) in Rhodes apartment, and then again in the hospital, and just walks away because....??? Why doesn't he kill him in his apartment? Why doesn't he at least shoot him in the leg in the hospital so that everyone sees that he's a Skrull? Why does he just let him have continuous access to the president long after learning that he's a Skrull?

[Scraper]

I guess I would just like something MCU to be able to stand on its own and not be purely about setting up future things. Hawkeye, for example, felt perfectly good as its own contained series. This just felt like something that existed just to prop up something in the future.

Also, I think I'm generally not in favor of the 6 episode mini-series. Make it shorter (i.e., a movie) and force yourself to edit or make it longer and give it room to breathe.

Allegedly the new Daredevil Series will address this problem by being 18 episodes broken up into 2 parts. I really hope that's right and I hope the episode length is more consistently around 60 minutes, instead Secret Invasion which seemed to get shorter and shorter as it went.

[Punisher]

Ultimately my problem with 'the ending' ...

Spoiler:

I think it's a 'jump the shark' moment when you resort to giving someone "everyone's power" permanently. And of course, it takes away from all the other heroes if she can do what they all can do. She can't exist and keep the MU actually fun, IMO.
I'm not sure how they will handle it... will they just let her story 'drop'? Seems weird. Her name, Gaia, makes me think she may actually become a host planet herself someday. But in any case, it's almost like they made a McGuffin character here... She's key to this story, but - I can't see her being a part of things going forward (not in her current state).

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I wonder if she will eventually be a big bad that has to be defeated. Or something something and she loses her powers.

[Pyperkub]

Ultimately my problem with 'the ending' ...

Spoiler:

I think it's a 'jump the shark' moment when you resort to giving someone "everyone's power" permanently. And of course, it takes away from all the other heroes if she can do what they all can do. She can't exist and keep the MU actually fun, IMO.
I'm not sure how they will handle it... will they just let her story 'drop'? Seems weird. Her name, Gaia, makes me think she may actually become a host planet herself someday. But in any case, it's almost like they made a McGuffin character here... She's key to this story, but - I can't see her being a part of things going forward (not in her current state).

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I wonder if she will eventually be a big bad that has to be defeated. Or something something and she loses her powers.

Could also be that Extremis factors in down the road. Even way back when it appeared in IM3, they did say Extremis was going to be a factor later.

[Pyperkub]

I guess I would just like something MCU to be able to stand on its own and not be purely about setting up future things. Hawkeye, for example, felt perfectly good as its own contained series. This just felt like something that existed just to prop up something in the future.

Also, I think I'm generally not in favor of the 6 episode mini-series. Make it shorter (i.e., a movie) and force yourself to edit or make it longer and give it room to breathe.

Yeah. this series was a bit like the use of AI (looked like midjourney's style) for the intro/credits. Neat, but lacking. IMHO, the worst of the Marvel series (which doesn't include the Netflix ones to me). It was watchable mostly for Sam Jackson as Fury, and even that was relatively mishandled, but Olivia Coleman as Sonya Farnsworth stole every scene she was in. She was really the best part of this series. Oh, and the AI intro/credits is just about the only marvel series one we've skipped every time (Ms. Marvel's were the best, IMHO - so much fun and whimsy and creative stealing from the opening of Baby Driver).

If you are going to do a Marvel spy-thriller, make it a damn spy thriller - this wasn't (it was more like filler - would that make it a "spy-filler"? )

[El Guapo]

I guess I would just like something MCU to be able to stand on its own and not be purely about setting up future things. Hawkeye, for example, felt perfectly good as its own contained series. This just felt like something that existed just to prop up something in the future.

Also, I think I'm generally not in favor of the 6 episode mini-series. Make it shorter (i.e., a movie) and force yourself to edit or make it longer and give it room to breathe.

Yeah. this series was a bit like the use of AI (looked like midjourney's style) for the intro/credits. Neat, but lacking. IMHO, the worst of the Marvel series (which doesn't include the Netflix ones to me). It was watchable mostly for Sam Jackson as Fury, and even that was relatively mishandled, but Olivia Coleman as Sonya Farnsworth stole every scene she was in. She was really the best part of this series. Oh, and the AI intro/credits is just about the only marvel series one we've skipped every time (Ms. Marvel's were the best, IMHO - so much fun and whimsy and creative stealing from the opening of Baby Driver).

If you are going to do a Marvel spy-thriller, make it a damn spy thriller - this wasn't (it was more like filler - would that make it a "spy-filler"? )

Yeah I agree. There was way too much "ol' Nick Fury's knee is acting up again" stuff and not enough "Nick Fury being a badass spy" stuff. Before the last episode I was hoping that they were going to have Fury retire and basically have Olivia Coleman take over as head of the Avengers.

[hepcat]

I guess I would just like something MCU to be able to stand on its own and not be purely about setting up future things. Hawkeye, for example, felt perfectly good as its own contained series. This just felt like something that existed just to prop up something in the future.

Also, I think I'm generally not in favor of the 6 episode mini-series. Make it shorter (i.e., a movie) and force yourself to edit or make it longer and give it room to breathe.

Allegedly the new Daredevil Series will address this problem by being 18 episodes broken up into 2 parts. I really hope that right and I hope the episode length is more consistently around 60 minutes, instead Secret Invasion which seemed to get shorter and shorter as it went.

Well...goddammit...

'Daredevil: Born Again' Reportedly Scrapped as Marvel Plans to Start From Scratch

They better not drop Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin. He was the best thing about the last season on Netflix.

[Blackhawk]

Hamble framble gorfum sumbitches.

[Malificent]

I guess I would just like something MCU to be able to stand on its own and not be purely about setting up future things. Hawkeye, for example, felt perfectly good as its own contained series. This just felt like something that existed just to prop up something in the future.

Also, I think I'm generally not in favor of the 6 episode mini-series. Make it shorter (i.e., a movie) and force yourself to edit or make it longer and give it room to breathe.

Allegedly the new Daredevil Series will address this problem by being 18 episodes broken up into 2 parts. I really hope that right and I hope the episode length is more consistently around 60 minutes, instead Secret Invasion which seemed to get shorter and shorter as it went.

Well...goddammit...

'Daredevil: Born Again' Reportedly Scrapped as Marvel Plans to Start From Scratch

They better not drop Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin. He was the best thing about the last season on Netflix.

If you read the actual article it says they aren't killing everything, but rather moving away from Daredevil the legal drama limited series into more action oriented fare with more room to breathe. This is good - I have some hope they may have learned the right lessons.

[hepcat]

I mean, it's in the title of the article ("plans to start from scratch"), so no, I did not miss that. However, it does mean that the show will be delayed for quite a bit, I'm sure. It also means that the good stuff I've heard about the show so far (D'Onofrio's Kingpin, for example) is now in danger of going bye bye or being significantly reduced.

[Malificent]

I mean, it's in the title of the article ("plans to start from scratch"), so no, I did not miss that. However, it does mean that the show will be delayed for quite a bit, I'm sure. It also means that the good stuff I've heard about the show so far (D'Onofrio's Kingpin, for example) is now in danger of going bye bye or being significantly reduced.

Sorry, wasn't meant as a criticism. Just more of it didn't feel like the headline matched the content. I'm sure it'll be delayed, but I'll maintain hope that the good stuff is retained, just made better. Optimism. I'm not used to it.

[hepcat]

I'd like to see a balance between the action and the courtroom stuff, myself. I think tipping too much either way ends up hurting the story.

[Punisher]

I'd like to see a balance between the action and the courtroom stuff, myself. I think tipping too much either way ends up hurting the story.

Maybe we can have a scene where Daredevil Matt Murdocks a situation and talks someone down then have a acene whete Matt Murdock Daredevils the situation and punches opposing council?

[hepcat]

What if he…and stick with me on this one….had a talking Mongoose named Mr. Troubles that helped him solve crimes? Honestly, it writes itself.

[Blackhawk]

You could absolutely combine courtroom with action. Just have him be assigned a case that has him defending a guy who turns out to be the same guy he's chasing in DD mode. He can't claim a conflict of interest, as the conflict involves his other identity. Ethical conundrums abound, interspersed with thwacking people.

*Disclaimer: This place is packed with lawyers, so I'm sure that this premise sounds absurd to half of you for one reason or another - it was just meant to show that the two halves of the character could be used together in interesting ways.

[hepcat]

I just always liked in the Netflix series when they'd show Murdock facing Kingpin in both court and on the streets.

[Punisher]

You could absolutely combine courtroom with action. Just have him be assigned a case that has him defending a guy who turns out to be the same guy he's chasing in DD mode. He can't claim a conflict of interest, as the conflict involves his other identity. Ethical conundrums abound, interspersed with thwacking people.

*Disclaimer: This place is packed with lawyers, so I'm sure that this premise sounds absurd to half of you for one reason or another - it was just meant to show that the two halves of the character could be used together in interesting ways.

To be fair we dont know for sure that the lawyers here dont fight crime on their off hours.

[Punisher]

What if he…and stick with me on this one….had a talking Mongoose named Mr. Troubles that helped him solve crimes? Honestly, it writes itself.

Go on...

[Blackhawk]

You could absolutely combine courtroom with action. Just have him be assigned a case that has him defending a guy who turns out to be the same guy he's chasing in DD mode. He can't claim a conflict of interest, as the conflict involves his other identity. Ethical conundrums abound, interspersed with thwacking people.

*Disclaimer: This place is packed with lawyers, so I'm sure that this premise sounds absurd to half of you for one reason or another - it was just meant to show that the two halves of the character could be used together in interesting ways.

To be fair we dont know for sure that the lawyers here dont fight crime on their off hours.

[hepcat]

[Isgrimnur]

Just watched it this week. I enjoyed it for what it was. More Samuel L. Jackson is always a good thing. It is always hard to contain a story about superpowers when you've got gods and monsters running around.