[WW] Crimson Moon III - Game ends in a Draw?

[Remus West]

What is the first thing a wolf would do if he is about to be lynched? Why claim to be a special. That way he might either avert his own lynching for a night or draw out the real seer. This is certainly something that has weighed heavily on my mind especially with a "best case scenario" night one wolf lynching.

Assume that they got the Seer in Grund or Tru1cy. Then there is nobody to dispute Austin's claim. However, how much better for the wolves if he claims to be the Coroner? They won't really care if we get to know we killed one wolf when the real one comes forward, they would get rid of our information for the rest of our kills. And they would be down to finding only the Priest.

Were I a wolf and the Seer was dead I would certainly claim the role of Coroner.

[Remus West]

Just in case it is nt clear where I stand on this pr0ner.

[Silky]

I am not ready to give up on the seer yet. Nor would I necessarily feel this would be the best time to out myself if I were he. If I were the seer and the vote is leaning heavily to Austin then there would be no point in outing myself. If it starts to swing to someone who is obviously innocent then I probably would come out.

[Remus West]

I am not ready to give up on the seer yet. Nor would I necessarily feel this would be the best time to out myself if I were he. If I were the seer and the vote is leaning heavily to Austin then there would be no point in outing myself. If it starts to swing to someone who is obviously innocent then I probably would come out.

A Seer who comes out later can not be trusted. Sorry, not good timing for us IMO but it is the truth. Assume that Austin is the Seer and they killed the Coroner, then later a "Seer" comes forward on the key lynch of the game. How could we possibly trust them? If they step forward now they can give us the results of 2 scans and allow us to decide between them and Austin. Any Seer who steps forward after today gets the rope IMO.

[triggercut]

I am not ready to give up on the seer yet. Nor would I necessarily feel this would be the best time to out myself if I were he. If I were the seer and the vote is leaning heavily to Austin then there would be no point in outing myself. If it starts to swing to someone who is obviously innocent then I probably would come out.

A Seer who comes out later can not be trusted. Sorry, not good timing for us IMO but it is the truth. Assume that Austin is the Seer and they killed the Coroner, then later a "Seer" comes forward on the key lynch of the game. How could we possibly trust them? If they step forward now they can give us the results of 2 scans and allow us to decide between them and Austin. Any Seer who steps forward after today gets the rope IMO.

If Austin is innocent, by ironclad analysis, pr0ner and Zurai are the other two werewolves.

Hey Remus, how about this: what if I we all drop our Austin votes and vote for Zurai instead, and see if we get a reading there? What about that?

[Remus West]

Hey Remus, how about this: what if I we all drop our Austin votes and vote for Zurai instead, and see if we get a reading there? What about that?

Why would we move away from a sure thing? Either pr0ner or Austin is a wolf. One of them goes to the noose today. And your idea that Zurai and pr0ner must be wolves together is not an idea I am buying into. So, no, I would not like that. I would like if folks moved Austin away from the edge so that he does not get offed before all check in.

[triggercut]

triggercut, since you are here, know that it speaks very badly of you that you do not remove your vote. Regardless of the veracity of Austin's claim we need to give the village time to digest it before stringing anyone up.

It certainly speaks very badly for the wolves. Austin may be lynched before he wakes up tomorrow. He's a wolf. His waffling responses on page 10 to attempt to explain away his posts from before just don't float in any logic.

[triggercut]

Hey Remus, how about this: what if I we all drop our Austin votes and vote for Zurai instead, and see if we get a reading there? What about that?

Why would we move away from a sure thing? Either pr0ner or Austin is a wolf. One of them goes to the noose today. And your idea that Zurai and pr0ner must be wolves together is not an idea I am buying into. So, no, I would not like that. I would like if folks moved Austin away from the edge so that he does not get offed before all check in.

Yeah, I figured as much. There's our three, I think: Austin, Remus, and Zurai.

[Remus West]

triggercut, since you are here, know that it speaks very badly of you that you do not remove your vote. Regardless of the veracity of Austin's claim we need to give the village time to digest it before stringing anyone up.

It certainly speaks very badly for the wolves. Austin may be lynched before he wakes up tomorrow. He's a wolf. His waffling responses on page 10 to attempt to explain away his posts from before just don't float in any logic.

I doubt he will, any villager will be willing to wait and any wolf will know that killing him early is a huge tell. Still, would be nice to not have the knife at his back.

And your iron is full of rust.

[Remus West]

Hey Remus, how about this: what if I we all drop our Austin votes and vote for Zurai instead, and see if we get a reading there? What about that?

Why would we move away from a sure thing? Either pr0ner or Austin is a wolf. One of them goes to the noose today. And your idea that Zurai and pr0ner must be wolves together is not an idea I am buying into. So, no, I would not like that. I would like if folks moved Austin away from the edge so that he does not get offed before all check in.

Yeah, I figured as much. There's our three, I think: Austin, Remus, and Zurai.

So, let me get this straight. Because I want to take a sure thing rather than vote based upon logic I completely do not agree with and have been clear all day that I do not agree with you have decided I am a wolf. You are over playing your hand here.

[triggercut]

A Seer who comes out later can not be trusted.

Non-wolf translation: "A seer who comes out later is going to really hammer the last nails in both mine and Austin's coffins."

Sorry, not good timing for us IMO but it is the truth. Assume that Austin is the Seer and they killed the Coroner, then later a "Seer" comes forward on the key lynch of the game.

NWT: "No really. Please don't lynch me."

Any Seer who steps forward after today gets the rope IMO.

NWT: "Please be gullible enough to believe this. Please?"

[Remus West]

So triggercut. Tomorrow rolls around and someone comes forward saying they are the Seer. If we assume we missed yesterday and that Austin is the Seer then when the new "Seer" comes forward tomorrow and says that triggercut is a wolf everyone should lynch you then right. Because by your own "ironclad" logic principle that new Seer could not possibly be a liar. Are you really so unable to see the giant holes in your thought process? Stunning.

BTW, if you didn't notice that new "Seer" could point at ANY non-wolf and give them the game. We only get three misses. If we have already used one and we use a second then we are done.

[triggercut]

BTW--"Specials", don't come out. Not at all.

I had earlier thought it might be a good idea if the Coroner could come out and confirm that Lassr was innocent (he was, I'm positive), but now I think that if our Coroner is alive, he needs to stay hidden.

Ditto our Seer and Priest, if they still live.

I think the wolves are trying to bait our specials out. Don't do it. Stay under the radar for now. Please.

[pr0ner]

BTW--"Specials", don't come out. Not at all.

I had earlier thought it might be a good idea if the Coroner could come out and confirm that Lassr was innocent (he was, I'm positive), but now I think that if our Coroner is alive, he needs to stay hidden.

Ditto our Seer and Priest, if they still live.

I think the wolves are trying to bait our specials out. Don't do it. Stay under the radar for now. Please.

I echo this, entirely.

Specials, STAY HIDDEN. If you're alive, Austin and his minions are simply trying to draw you out.

[Remus West]

BTW--"Specials", don't come out. Not at all.

Again, absolutely a stupid call. If there is a Seer other than Austin he needs to come forward. I could see the Priest staying hidden if he had gotten a confession from pr0ner so knew Austin was lying and was going to the noose because he can prove himself later. There is obviously no real urgent need for the Coroner to come forward because he can not give us any information regarding the current dispute. The Seer can not prove himself and can not be trusted later.

[Remus West]

And Triggercut, what if Lassr was a wolf and the Coroner can come forward and confirm it? Then what? It would go by your own "iron clad deduction" that Austin was not a wolf. Should he stay hidden then.

Personally I do not think the Coroner need come forward right now as I do not think his information has bearing on the current issue between pr0ner and Austin but if triggercut believed half his own BS then he would want knowledge of wolf Lassr if it were there.

[Unagi]

Save for the Grund/tru1cy as Seer possibility

If you're me and you're the seer...

Lets see how you build your case.

I don't think Lassr was a wolf but I knew he wasn't special. (99% sure)

A fake seer would know that no villager could say that wasn't true. A fake seer would know that no special besides the dead Seer could call him on that. That's a nice neutral statement to make.

I figured surviving one more night and getting one more scan would be worth Lassr though. So here we are. I'll die tonight (or maybe today at this rate) but I have info and it will help.

Fare enough, lets hear it...

Last night I scanned Remus and he's a non-wolf.

Well if this isn't the most convenient scan. Yes, yes, you would of course have scanned Remus, because you would have known that Grund would be killed, and hence Remus was next in line to be 'cleared'. But, it's also saddled with the fact that Remus seems to me to have been your body guard (I am not totally convinced this means you must be a wolf Remus, but it sticks out.)

Night 1 I scanned Pr0ner and he is a wolf.

Well, yes of course it's pr0ner. Congrat's proner, if Austin is lynched, you will not die tonight; but they will build up a case on you tomorrow, if they can't lynch you today. Anyhow, something like that. lol or me for saying that.

I am not buying it Austin really. I am not sure what to do though. I don't want to risk the Seer (clearly the whole idea of the 'fake seer' routine as well though...) but, I'm not buying it. You've been reading wolf to me as I've said, from the beginning. We can't keep missing, and I am set on you this time.

Save for the Grund/tru1cy as Seer possibility

[Remus West]

Well I'd go back and reread Remus too but there's little chance he'd play so badly a second time in a row. At least I know now I carried him in the 'poke the innocents' game.

I'd really like Grund's matrix now. Hmmmm... I wonder if he'd sell it between games. Could be a pyramid thing, get in near the top.

Hey! I saved your life that game. "Don't come forward "real" Mage. Stay hidden "real" Mage." Remember that?

Deja Vu anyone. Weird to experience it from the other side.

[Unagi]

There is obviously no real urgent need for the Coroner to come forward because he can not give us any information regarding the current dispute.

Ok, first - I totally agree that the specials should not reveal today (unless they know something very critical).

However, why would you say that the coroner has nothing to confirm regarding the current dispute? Is that to say that tru1cy was the Seer and not Grundbegriff? I guess my thinking was that there was a chance that Grundbegriff was the Seer too. (I had that concern before tru1cy was eaten).

But in anycase, I think specials do not reveal unless there is something very critical to reveal. Grundbegriff being the Seer would qualify.

[triggercut]

If the Coroner knows that Lassr was a wolf, let him come forward, I guess.

I think the Coroner only has one scan done so far. On the first night there weren't any known corpses. The second night, he could've scanned either the previous night's victim (Grund) or that day's lynch (Lassr). I'd have to believe that Lassr would've been a more helpful scan target for him, but perhaps I'm parsing too much of what my own motives would be here.

If the Coroner did scan Grund and discovered that Grund is the Seer, the Coroner needs to stay buttoned-up. If he reveals himself in that case, all he does is give the Wolves their second special target. Yowch.

And all of this assumes that neither tru1cy or Grund was our Coroner....which would sort of suck hard.

[Newcastle]

/walks up, sits down,

Right now, i say give it time. I am curious bout how Austin hit the brink. I am prone to believe Austin, because earlier i picked up the "hear" quote that remus quoted. That just struck me as odd, and I wondered about it. dont like hte fact that he came out this early. I really dont like that at all. However, he's out now so we haev to deal with it one way or another.

Is it a draw for the other specials, i dont know. There is the chance he could be a wolf and this could be a ploy, dont get me wrong, but from where i am sitting, i am more prone to believe him than not.

We still have a couple of ways to prove austin as the seer or not; without the coroner.

1. he dies tonight. No wolf is going to le thim live through the night. none. if he is the seer, he is dead meat. that proves his innocence.
2. a counter claim from someone else who also claims to be the seer (now that will be interesting).

Everyone clamoring for his blood right now, what if the coroner finds out he is the seer? Kind of odd you want to off him.

Having said that. If he lives through tonight, first order of business is asking him what he learned from hsi seer question, then fitting him with a noose.

Another thought...you see i want the wolves to waste their turn to kill him. we dont lose anything by not lynching austin today. if he lives tomorrow, we lynch him, simple as that.

What does this mean for proner....damn good question. right now am tempted to vote for him. but i want to wait. Those two are not the only ones whom we can lynch. Though to be honest, i am leanign toward proner, taking away austins accusation, i dont like his initial reasons to lynch austin...I know i said this before. I was already suspicious of him. So there is still that. I am not sold on proners innocence. but do know this, i am most likely to vote for him. I might not cast my vote tonight, but it is looming. Unless someone can give me a strong reason not to. I am more of the mind to let the wolves kill austin in order to prove his innocence.

We dont lose anything by waiting right now.

I think to all specials do not come out right now. Stay hidden, let the village talk about this. If you think you have info that is absolutely game breaking, then yes come forward....otherwise stay hidden. I think if there is another seer...they need to drastically think of their choices, and what they have learned. Do what you think is right for the village. You have infoomration that could be potentially game breaking. Think about it, and take your time, be sure in yoru decission.

what i think this does proves, is that either way we do have a wolf...wether it is proner or austin . so however this shakes out...we do have at least 1 wolf...and a lot more information to work with without the specials comeing out. so in that sense we are one step further ahead.

/heads off to his hut

/ooc am tired guys, anyway, my two cents.

[triggercut]

Gosh, I bet the wolves are really kicking themselves. Here, they had Our Seer at 4 votes to lynch for nearly two days, and the only wolf voting for him was pr0ner. The other two wolves were doing lord knows what...but then suddenly seemed to be able to call the tune when Lassr got to TWO votes.

That anyone is believing Austin based on the above paragraph being true is just silly.

[Austin]

Forgot last night. Pr0ner

I haven't caught up yet but will at work. All I can do is ask people to go back to the beginning and tell me how I could have played any better. I had to stay alive during the day and at night and some people made that difficult. The next thing is for people to tell me who they want me to PM in the unlikely event that I'm around tomorrow; or I can scan. I can prove myself.

[Austin]

Actually don't pick someone to PM as the wolves might just kill that person. I'm open to suggestions.

[Austin]

I appeal to Bubbles, Remus, Newcastle, Zurai and Unagi (because he started this mess) to take the sure thing. I will be dead in the morning. They'll be down to 2 or possibly 1 and they cannot risk a scan or having me proven out.

Examine the arguments that have brought me here and tell me what I could have possibly have done to avoid being in this spot. My intent was to come out before being pressed into it. I thought my, 'tired of fighting' bit would keep votes off me until I got home but when I got home I was at 4 votes. It's been a lousy seer game for me as I've been on my heels since the very beginning. Don't kill the seer when I'm giving you a wolf.

[Remus West]

Austin, assuming the village wises up you must PM tomorrow. Keep the target to yourself though so thew wolves do not eat him as that is going to get you lynched.

[Austin]

Austin, assuming the village wises up you must PM tomorrow. Keep the target to yourself though so thew wolves do not eat him as that is going to get you lynched.

Yeah, I was trying to be cagey and not tip my hand.

[Unagi]

Um, you guys are sorta missing something.

1) The Guarantee that Austin would be eaten tonight if he isn't lynched today. Don't try and say there is a slight chance the wolves would let him live.
2) If he is alive tomorrow to PM, We kill him and who ever he 'PMs'. The "Fake-Seer", at the very least, has 1 pack-mate to 'Fake-Seer-PM' with all day long.

[Austin]

Um, you guys are sorta missing something.

1) The Guarantee that Austin would be eaten tonight if he isn't lynched today. Don't try and say there is a slight chance the wolves would let him live.
2) If he is alive tomorrow to PM, We kill him and who ever he 'PMs'. The "Fake-Seer", at the very least, has 1 pack-mate to 'Fake-Seer-PM' with all day long.

Giving the wolves ideas is generally a bad idea. You've reached too far and probably won't believe me today, what if I PM'd you tomorrow? Would that even change your mind? The last game I was going to PM Lassr and he admitted that he would have been reading and rereading the rules he was so sure I was guilty.

[triggercut]

Um, you guys are sorta missing something.

1) The Guarantee that Austin would be eaten tonight if he isn't lynched today. Don't try and say there is a slight chance the wolves would let him live.
2) If he is alive tomorrow to PM, We kill him and who ever he 'PMs'. The "Fake-Seer", at the very least, has 1 pack-mate to 'Fake-Seer-PM' with all day long.

Exactly.

[Austin]

Um, you guys are sorta missing something.

1) The Guarantee that Austin would be eaten tonight if he isn't lynched today. Don't try and say there is a slight chance the wolves would let him live.
2) If he is alive tomorrow to PM, We kill him and who ever he 'PMs'. The "Fake-Seer", at the very least, has 1 pack-mate to 'Fake-Seer-PM' with all day long.

Exactly.

Same question to you. What if I PM'd you tomorrow?

Regardless I don't expect to live through the night. They cannot allow me to live although you guys have set the stage for yourselve... er for them.

[Silky]

I don't really agree with your analysis Newcastle/Unagu. If Austin is not lynched (and is the real seer) the wolves have no real motivation to slay him overnight. The wolves will do their best to pick someone they believe could be a different special. They will let the village do the dirty work of lynching Austin for them the next day. This would be especially easy if two or so wolves jumped up with the lynch Austin card. No one would blame them for this.

I also do not see any way that Austin's claim can be verified. If pr0ner is lynched instead a wolf can come forward and claim that yes I am the coroner and pr0ner is a wolf. It doesn't even really matter if another coroner steps forward. We would be back with the same old he said she said game.

As far as the Austin PM claim... how would that work? He would either PM Remus or a random person. If Remus comes out and says he got a PM from Austin how much water would that hold? If it is a random person it could be a wolf and they simply not say anything.

Can anyone see a way for Austin to prove his claim if not lynched today? We are very quickly running out of misses and want to get some new thoughts on this before I vote.

[triggercut]

I don't really agree with your analysis Newcastle/Unagu. If Austin is not lynched (and is the real seer) the wolves have no real motivation to slay him overnight. The wolves will do their best to pick someone they believe could be a different special. They will let the village do the dirty work of lynching Austin for them the next day. This would be especially easy if two or so wolves jumped up with the lynch Austin card. No one would blame them for this.

I also do not see any way that Austin's claim can be verified. If pr0ner is lynched instead a wolf can come forward and claim that yes I am the coroner and pr0ner is a wolf. It doesn't even really matter if another coroner steps forward. We would be back with the same old he said she said game.

As far as the Austin PM claim... how would that work? He would either PM Remus or a random person. If Remus comes out and says he got a PM from Austin how much water would that hold? If it is a random person it could be a wolf and they simply not say anything.

Can anyone see a way for Austin to prove his claim if not lynched today? We are very quickly running out of misses and want to get some new thoughts on this before I vote.

The only verification comes back to naming the profession of the person he's contacting. The 3 wolves have no profession, so it's not like he can use the profession of one of his wolf-buddies.

I just went back and re-read the rules, and I *think* our Priest, Seer, and Coroner all get the name of the secondary profession of the people they scan or hear confession from.

[Austin]

I don't really agree with your analysis Newcastle/Unagu. If Austin is not lynched (and is the real seer) the wolves have no real motivation to slay him overnight. The wolves will do their best to pick someone they believe could be a different special. They will let the village do the dirty work of lynching Austin for them the next day. This would be especially easy if two or so wolves jumped up with the lynch Austin card. No one would blame them for this.

I also do not see any way that Austin's claim can be verified. If pr0ner is lynched instead a wolf can come forward and claim that yes I am the coroner and pr0ner is a wolf. It doesn't even really matter if another coroner steps forward. We would be back with the same old he said she said game.

As far as the Austin PM claim... how would that work? He would either PM Remus or a random person. If Remus comes out and says he got a PM from Austin how much water would that hold? If it is a random person it could be a wolf and they simply not say anything.

Can anyone see a way for Austin to prove his claim if not lynched today? We are very quickly running out of misses and want to get some new thoughts on this before I vote.

This is what I got lambasted for discussing earlier. I wanted a Day 3 outing where I could come out and another special who could verify me would also come out. (Especially if we had collaborating evidence) It would give me the special, and anyone proven through that special as options for PMing.

[triggercut]

I don't really agree with your analysis Newcastle/Unagu. If Austin is not lynched (and is the real seer) the wolves have no real motivation to slay him overnight. The wolves will do their best to pick someone they believe could be a different special. They will let the village do the dirty work of lynching Austin for them the next day. This would be especially easy if two or so wolves jumped up with the lynch Austin card. No one would blame them for this.

I also do not see any way that Austin's claim can be verified. If pr0ner is lynched instead a wolf can come forward and claim that yes I am the coroner and pr0ner is a wolf. It doesn't even really matter if another coroner steps forward. We would be back with the same old he said she said game.

As far as the Austin PM claim... how would that work? He would either PM Remus or a random person. If Remus comes out and says he got a PM from Austin how much water would that hold? If it is a random person it could be a wolf and they simply not say anything.

Can anyone see a way for Austin to prove his claim if not lynched today? We are very quickly running out of misses and want to get some new thoughts on this before I vote.

The only verification comes back to naming the profession of the person he's contacting. The 3 wolves have no profession, so it's not like he can use the profession of one of his wolf-buddies.

I just went back and re-read the rules, and I *think* our Priest, Seer, and Coroner all get the name of the secondary profession of the people they scan or hear confession from.

Bah, no that's no help. The Coroner gets the role/ROLE, and the werewolves get the ROLE or role, but the seer just gets Wolf/Non-wolf. I suppose that mechanic allows the coroner to prove who he is or isn't, and perhaps the Priest, but I don't see any way that it'd show us the Seer.

[Austin]

I don't really agree with your analysis Newcastle/Unagu. If Austin is not lynched (and is the real seer) the wolves have no real motivation to slay him overnight. The wolves will do their best to pick someone they believe could be a different special. They will let the village do the dirty work of lynching Austin for them the next day. This would be especially easy if two or so wolves jumped up with the lynch Austin card. No one would blame them for this.

I also do not see any way that Austin's claim can be verified. If pr0ner is lynched instead a wolf can come forward and claim that yes I am the coroner and pr0ner is a wolf. It doesn't even really matter if another coroner steps forward. We would be back with the same old he said she said game.

As far as the Austin PM claim... how would that work? He would either PM Remus or a random person. If Remus comes out and says he got a PM from Austin how much water would that hold? If it is a random person it could be a wolf and they simply not say anything.

Can anyone see a way for Austin to prove his claim if not lynched today? We are very quickly running out of misses and want to get some new thoughts on this before I vote.

The only verification comes back to naming the profession of the person he's contacting. The 3 wolves have no profession, so it's not like he can use the profession of one of his wolf-buddies.

I just went back and re-read the rules, and I *think* our Priest, Seer, and Coroner all get the name of the secondary profession of the people they scan or hear confession from.

I don't get roles. I get "Wolf" or "Non-Wolf". That is exactly how I receive my message.

[Austin]

The 3 wolves have no profession, so it's not like he can use the profession of one of his wolf-buddies.

OMG, I don't know the rulez for wolves so I couldn't be one!1!

Werewolves get roles as do villagers. It's typed exactly the same way in the first post. Classic.

[Remus West]

Obviously I can not be the target of Austin's PM tomorrow. That said, why would we automatically disbelieve players who come forward as having been PM'd by him?

What happens if X comes forward and says Austin PM'd me. The Village screams "lynch them both" then Y comes forward and says "I'm the Priest and X is the treetrimmer so can not be a wolf." What then folks? The wolves can not afford to allow Austin to live for risk that he PM someone who can be confirmed.

[triggercut]

So. To recap.

On day one, Austin is sitting with 4 votes, a precarious situation. He sits at 4 votes for almost a day and a half.

Those 4 votes:

1. tru1cy
2. pr0ner
3. Unagi
4. Lassr

(Votes are listed in the order they were registered.) For you scoring at home, that's three innocents and one person we don't know about. sitting on Austin.

During this time of Austin hanging precariously by a thin thread of only needing two votes to lynch, triggercut, Remus West, Newcastle, Zurai, Silky, and even Mr. Bubbles visit the thread. IF AUSTIN IS INNOCENT, 2 OF THESE PLAYERS ARE WOLVES. (pr0ner is the only unknown in that group of 4). None of these players votes against Austin. pr0ner also visits the thread and asks Remus about his unexplained vote for Lassr. IF pr0ner IS A WOLF, HE CAN PULL HIS VOTE FROM AUSTIN TO LASSR AT ANY TIME AND PLACE IT ON REMUS. HE LEAVES HIS VOTE INTACT.

Then in succession:

Austin accuses Lassr.
Remus West accuses Lassr with no explanation given.

Newcastle registers vote number 3 on Lassr.
Silky puts up vote 4.

Half a day goes by, interestingly with Remus being the first to talk about the remaining villagers needing to "break the deadlock" between Austin and Lassr.

Mr. Bubbles puts up vote 5.

50 minutes after Mr. Bubbles votes, Zurai, who claims that he'll never change his vote without either game-changing information or a deadlock at 5 votes for a significant time, drops his accusation of Silky for no other stated reason except that it's a "wasted vote". Seems kinda hinky, but I'm coming around to the idea that Zurai may be a patsy in all this.

Unagi switches votes, Lassr is an innocent sent to the gallows.

In other words, the wolf train worked just fine. Lassr went from no votes to 6 votes in about a day, whereas Austin ended up sitting at 4 votes from Sunday evening until Wednesday afternoon. The wolves had ample time to even put ONE SINGLE VOTE on Austin and push him to 5. They didn't do it.

[triggercut]

"roles" are identities, but confer no actual abilities.
the nine roles: Butcher, Baker, CandlestickMaker, Poet, Painter, Thatcher, Blacksmith, Ditchdigger, and Carpenter.

Game begins on Night One.

That's 9 roles for 9 villagers.

What are those secondary professions again, Austin?