Octopus Overlords

redrun wrote: Withdraw Lassr 
 

 Qantaga 
 


I'll start it. Let's see where it goes.

Unagi wrote:So, join me on the pr0ner vote and see if I still got it.

With the Cabal in this game, I think it's likely that a few Cabal members 'smell' like wolves. That kinda tosses a wrench into things with early analysis of players. Coordination but not being seen as 'together', making knowingly false accustations and see how people react to that, etc. - these are all things the Cabal is likely doing right now, and it's all things the wolves are likely doing as well.

So, yeah - I'm not sure if I am sensing Wovles or Cabal when I feel I sense something and I'm not really sure what to share.

I was thinking about this whole Day 1 thing (and back to the CR votes from last game, for instance). Reasons not to vote a player off on Day 1 should mostly be because they may actually contribute positively, eventually. I think we all feel that Grund is capable of that, but I personally am rubbed wrong by the whole feeling that he is special and he is allowed to blow off Day 1. He could simply post on Day 1 and avoid that, but he has (recent history) tended to seem to thumb his nose at that mundane expectation. That very fact tends to make him look 'good', in that an evil Grund would rather help his wolf team by not being lynched on Day 1, so he would simply post... but - would that then make him look like that's WHY he is suddenly posting on Day 1. So, bleh - I am not sure what to do about it. Frankly, I think "not playing/posting", even as (especially as?) a Tactic is CANCER to these games. I'm ready to cut. That being said, Grund is a very large part of (historically) what made these games fun, and it really bums me out.

Newcastle. He could easily do the whole 'Look at me, I am posting poems' as a wolf - look back to any game where he was a wolf. He isn't a "hider". He plays it. Period.

So, personally I suggested pr0ner, because he is normally a pretty quiet player and will likely remain that way... and what's this? now he's flying the "you call that participation?" flag. That was pretty ironic. But I'm happy to hear/read it.


Not sure really what to do at this point. I wish our trains were on other players, to be honest.

OK, here's an idea....

Does anyone want to end the game with  Theohall 
 
as either the last wolf or their only human partner left to fend off the wolves?

Unagi wrote:

redrun wrote:

Unagi wrote:

Unagi wrote:So, join me on the pr0ner vote and see if I still got it.

(that was in reply to redrun, but clearly my post went in another direction anyhow)

I did follow what you were saying.... right up to the point where you moved your vote to Theohall.

Pr0ner hasn't caught my radar yet, but I'll do a re-read on him. However, pushing for me to join you implies to me that you strongly think Pr0ner is a wolf, where-as your vote for Theohall comes off much less as "kill a wolf" as compared to: "I'm frustrated by Theohall".

redrun,
last game, Scoop and Vorret both stood out to me a great deal and I pushed hard for them from the very start. I don't have a player currently that I feel that strongly about. I've actually felt a number of players (too many) sorta 'flash evil' like that to me this game, but nothing like Scoop and Vorret from the last game.
My comment on you joining me on the pr0ner vote was because you said:
"the wolves should try on night one to pick off a player who is known to be good at spotting wolves....<snip> After last game it would not have surprised me to see Unagi die night one."
So, if you thought I was good at getting wolves, why not join me in my vote instead of saying you think I am likely a wolf, because I failed to be killed by the wolves who must clearly fear me? (I'll also comment that I've never joined a Wolf Team that started off with 'fear' as their motto... they would MUCH rather convince the village to kill me, IMO, and laugh about it, which I have ZERO doubt is going on right now.)

However, it's not my strong opinion that pr0ner is a blatant wolf. He is just a super quiet player that (at the time) had hardly posted and I would rather not end the game with him as one of the last choices to be had. It can be stated as crudely as this: Without an obvious wolf candidate, I'm willing to vote off the person I think would make the least helpful villager, should it indeed be a miss of that caliber. Trumping even that (and this is where LM and I are in 100% agreement), I'm also willing to vote off the person I think will just tank this whole game with their abscence.

THEN I started thinking more along that philosophy... (specifically, pr0ner recently had a really strong game, from what I've been told, I wasn't in it) And it struck me that I'd rather (all things being equal... ie... anyone could be villager or wolf at this point) end the game with pr0ner than I would with Theohall... And here is the thing with that:
a) when I first posted this, I selected Theohall not 'as a wolf' but more as 'a horrible person to be with at the end game' (sorry , my opinion)
b) but there wasn't anything he posted (he's been pretty damn 'sober and in control' for Theohall, but it's early) that made him seem particularly human.
c) since then, he made that odd comment about needing to poke the silent players, but he doesn't find their silence to be all that damaging to the game.

That's what's behind the theohall vote.
It's 1 part 'end game'
It's 1 part 'why the hell not'
and it's 1 part 'Really, what on earth are you trying to sell me?"

I'm not hellbent on Theohall being a wolf at this point, but I have little reason not to test him over someone else.

I'd reluctantly join the Grund or Newcastle train if I couldn't get a different one started.

Unagi wrote:Vorret was on the Grund train eary, because he felt Grund maybe killed Holman to clear hard-reads, but then when I made my post about theohall, Vorret said it was a good post and removed his vote for Grund - - Vorret, I'd like to hear why my post lead to you removing your vote on Grund (would have made a small degree of sense, had you then put your vote on Theohall, but you didn't)

and... LM, what is it about the dropping of the Grund votes that made you drop your vote on Theohall?

Unagi wrote:

LordMortis wrote:to be part of the precipitate rather than part of the solution.

I love that t-shirt.

And, yeah - OK, I had a simular response, but frankly it made me feel even better about the Theohall vote.

Unagi wrote:Here is where you can read right up front about how Theohall's vote was interfacing with Grund. He forecasted that the vote was meaningless and would be removed the second Grund showed that he was willing to post at all. This is a fantastic way for a wolf to spend Day 1... a bunch of meaningless 'poke' votes that come with the Pre-agreed-upon "I will be removing this vote later". Theohall wasn't putting anyone 'to the fire', and a 'poke the silent' has no "poke" if it comes with a pre-approved out-clause. What that is, is hiding on Day 1 - making a bunch of meaningless votes.

Theohall was just trying to get silents to participate. I suppose he feels now that Grund has participated?

theohall wrote:I am just trying to get silents to participate. Check my first vote and when it was withdrawn. Many agreed being silent in a large game is bad and the silent should be lynched, as happened to Chaosraven. I don't subscribe to this theory, but it is interesting seeing those who pushed it last game ignoring it now. Yes, there is info to be gleaned from this. When Grundbegriff actually posts I will withdraw my vote.

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:I'm kind of curious if Unagi still thinks I might be a werewolf this game. Unagi?

I'm on the fence. I basically look for certain 'at ease' signs with your play, and I'm not really seeing them.

Remus West wrote:

Remus West wrote:

redrun wrote:Strongly leaning wolf: Lassr, Chaosraven, Qantaga
Leaning wolf: El Guapo, Unagi, RMC, Vorret
Leaning good: Nobody.

Why is Chaoraven on there? He listed you with a far fetched reason. What has he done that makes him look suspicious to you?

Also, why is theohall not suspicious to you? I don't think anyone in the game is acting more out of typical character than he is currently. Why is that not suspicious to you?

Since you were around to post would you mind addressing these questions?

Qantaga wrote:

redrun wrote:I'll start it. Let's see where it goes.

redrun wrote:bark bark bark.
woof woof
hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowl
arf arf.

bb2112 wrote: Qantaga 
 


For not believing that I can resist voting for RW or CR day one after RMC pretty much cleared them, and then totally missing the fact that I voted LM. Even while noting later that LM is part of the Detroit gaming group. It is like he is trying to cause confusion where there isn't any. Not usually his style. I like his lists better.

redrun wrote:

Lassr wrote:

redrun wrote: Just to save some time here, is there anyone out there who isn't the seer?

See here is what was delaying the wolves, they were waiting to see who would not claim seer.

 redrun 
 

I'm a bit confused. Right before you voted for me you stated:

Lassr wrote:Come one guys. What are the odds that Remus is good 2 games in a row?

Later that same day (real day):

Lassr wrote:

LordMortis wrote: And looking over the rules/roles this like a game where things are tilted in the village's favor. Yay village.

Only wolves read all the rules...

You have one other post that isn't fluff:

Lassr wrote:

El Guapo wrote:How hard is it to choose a kill on night zero? Is it who tells the funniest joke in the village? The least funny joke?

So you know for a fact the wolves are holding up the game?

Possibly true, my orders are in though...

Combined with your day one "I have my orders in" statement (ie: hinting that you are a special), I'm not sure if you're poking for response, or just spreading guilt with a wide trowel hoping to see what you can make stick.

But no good special would have outed themself with a "my orders are in" line, right? So I can assume you're either wolf or plain 'ol villager?

 Lassr 
 

Lassr wrote:

LordMortis wrote: And looking over the rules/roles this like a game where things are tilted in the village's favor. Yay village.

Only wolves read all the rules...

LordMortis wrote:Unagi lives! He must be a wolf.
<other stuff snipped out>

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:I'm kind of curious if Unagi still thinks I might be a werewolf this game. Unagi?

I'm on the fence. I basically look for certain 'at ease' signs with your play, and I'm not really seeing them.

RMC wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:RMC, I would love to be your puppy dog. )

Here is my puppy, but you can be his minion. Of course you have to ask my daughter first. Our "puppy" is just barely 1 year old in this picture.

Qantaga wrote:El Guapo, here's the sequence of events.

Early on, I made an observation that I thought that it was strange that bb stated that he would not vote on Remus or Chaos on Day 1.

Remus called me on that because the essence of the post was that bb was acting on the "RMC is always wrong" meme in direct conflict to the "I'll laugh if Remus or Chaos dies before me" meme.

I conceded Remus' point.

Then, after all that transpired, bb came back with the paragraph you quoted above, saying he was suspicious of me for sowing confusion.

Here's the problem with bb's claim of me sowing confusion, based on those events:

- bb assumes that I should have known that the "RMC is always wrong" meme has taken precedence over the "I'd laugh if Remus or Chaos die before me" meme, when in every game that I have ever played with bb, he has expressed desire (either truthful or in jest) for Remus (and to a lesser extent) Chaos to be lynched on Day 1.
- bb then says that I did not notice that he voted on LM as a part of the Detroit crowd. The fallacy with this is that he did not vote on LM for the "I'll laugh if LM dies before me" rationale, but he voted for LM because "LM will beg for death soon and I'm in a generous mood." The truth is that, historically, bb has always expressed a Day 1 desire to off Remus far and away above anyone else. Chaos comes in a distant second. LM and redrun, a distant third . So, for me to observe that I find it strange for him to state that he would not vote for Remus or Chaos today (regardless of "RMC is always wrong") is not sowing confusion.

In this game, any rationale given to paint me as evil will be similar to the rationale used against Gerry Conlan.

Chaosraven wrote:Remus, you coming out to the Lake?

tru1cy wrote:That should read i'm not jumping on it. Stupid android keyboard

El Guapo wrote:

redrun wrote: Withdraw Lassr 
 

 Qantaga 
 


I'll start it. Let's see where it goes.

So....what's the Qantaga rationale?

Chaosraven wrote:Yo yo Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetroit Posse!

 Qantaga 
 

Chaosraven wrote:

redrun wrote:bark bark bark.
woof woof
hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowl
arf arf.

Indeed.

stessier wrote:Day 1 Vote Count

Spoiler:

• Scoop acc Qantaga (1)
  Bakhtosh acc Newcastle (1)
  bb2112 acc LordMortis (1)
  tru1cy acc Grundbegriff (1)
• Lassr acc redrun (1)
  theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
  LordMortis acc bb2112 (1)
  Lagom Lite acc Chaosraven (2)
  Remus West acc Newcastle (2)
  Bakhtosh wd Newcastle (1)
• Bakhtosh acc RMC (1)
  Vorret acc Grundbegriff (2)
  redrun acc Lassr (1)
• El Guapo acc Newcastle (2)
  RMC acc El Guapo (1)
  Lagom Lite wd Chaosraven (1)
  Lagom LIte acc Scoop (1)
  Unagi acc pr0ner (1)
• pr0ner acc Newcastle (3)
  bb2112 wd LordMortis (0)
  bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
  Scoop wd Qantaga (1)
  Scoop acc Newcastle (4)
  theohall wd Chaosraven (0)
  theohall acc Grundbegriff (3)
  bb2112 wd Qantaga (0)
  bb2112 acc Newcastle (5)
• Newcastle acc Grundbegriff (4)
  Lagom LIte wd Scoop (0)
  Lagom Lite acc Grundbegriff (5)
  LordMortis wd bb2112 (0)
  LordMortis acc Qantaga (1)
  Unagi wd pr0ner (0)
• Unagi acc theohall (1)
  LordMortis wd Qantaga (0)
  LordMortis acc theohall (2)
  Vorret wd Grund (4)
  bb2112 wd Newcastle (4)
  bb2112 acc Lagom LIte (1)
  Scoop wd Newcastle (3)
• Scoop acc El Guapo (2)
• trig acc Scoop (1)
  theohall wd Grund (3)
  tru1cy wd Grund (2)
  Lagom wd Grund (1)
  Lagom acc Scoop (2)
  theohall acc Unagi (1)
  LordMortis wd theohall (1)
• Qantaga acc Lagom Lite (2)
  bb2112 wd Lagom Lite (1)
  bb2112 acc theohall (2)
  redrun wd Lassr (0)
• redrun acc Qantaga (1)
  bb2112 wd theohall (1)
• bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
• Chaos acc Qantaga (3)
  Remus wd Newcastle (2)
• Remus acc redrun (2)
  Lagom wd Scoop (1)
• Lagom acc Qantaga (4)
  theohall wd Unagi (0)
• theohall acc bb2112 (1)
  RMC wd El Guapo (0)
• RMC acc redrun (3)

Votes required for lynch - 11

Against Qantaga (4) - redrun, bb2112, Chaosraven, Lagom Lite
Against redrun (3) - Lassr, Redrun, RMC
Against Newcastle (2) - El Guapo, pr0ner
Against theohall (1) - Unagi
Against El Guapo (1) - Scoop
Against Scoop (1) - triggercut
Against Grundbegriff (1) - Newcastle
Against RMC (1) - Bakhtosh
Against Lagom LIte (1) - Qantaga
Against bb2112 (1) - theohall

No votes - Purge, Grundbegriff, tru1cy, Vorret, LordMortis

There are 17 villagers alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 6th at 9pm Eastern time.

Lassr wrote:Replace the redrun vote against redrun with Remus....

No votes - Purge, Grundbegriff, tru1cy, Vorret, LordMortis

LordMortis wrote:Was hoping for some momentum since last I checked in.

I don't know if it's a good or thing that newcastle has stuck to his guns with Grund. I like his decision to hang in there, contrary to Grund's messiah following that waited for his lyric to bail on their votes but the decision to go against "We can't get it done on day one" is so unnewcastlelike. And so I'm torn.

That said, I'm on day one I'm more torn between

No votes - Purge, Grundbegriff, tru1cy, Vorret, LordMortis

And puppy dogging unagi (and more importantly accepting his thought process as well as just puppy dogging him)

And so I go for the one particular vote and bail prospect:

 Theo 
 


to bring at four candidates above one vote.

Newcastle wrote:what planet
have you been on
starry sky

Bakhtosh wrote: Withdraw RMC 
 
I still think RMC & Theohall are likely candidates for wolf, but  redrun 
 
is literally howling.

stessier wrote:Day 1 Vote Count

Spoiler:

• Scoop acc Qantaga (1)
  Bakhtosh acc Newcastle (1)
  bb2112 acc LordMortis (1)
  tru1cy acc Grundbegriff (1)
• Lassr acc redrun (1)
  theohall acc Chaosraven (1)
  LordMortis acc bb2112 (1)
  Lagom Lite acc Chaosraven (2)
  Remus West acc Newcastle (2)
  Bakhtosh wd Newcastle (1)
• Bakhtosh acc RMC (1)
  Vorret acc Grundbegriff (2)
  redrun acc Lassr (1)
• El Guapo acc Newcastle (2)
  RMC acc El Guapo (1)
  Lagom Lite wd Chaosraven (1)
  Lagom LIte acc Scoop (1)
  Unagi acc pr0ner (1)
• pr0ner acc Newcastle (3)
  bb2112 wd LordMortis (0)
  bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
  Scoop wd Qantaga (1)
  Scoop acc Newcastle (4)
  theohall wd Chaosraven (0)
  theohall acc Grundbegriff (3)
  bb2112 wd Qantaga (0)
  bb2112 acc Newcastle (5)
• Newcastle acc Grundbegriff (4)
  Lagom LIte wd Scoop (0)
  Lagom Lite acc Grundbegriff (5)
  LordMortis wd bb2112 (0)
  LordMortis acc Qantaga (1)
  Unagi wd pr0ner (0)
• Unagi acc theohall (1)
  LordMortis wd Qantaga (0)
  LordMortis acc theohall (2)
  Vorret wd Grund (4)
  bb2112 wd Newcastle (4)
  bb2112 acc Lagom LIte (1)
  Scoop wd Newcastle (3)
• Scoop acc El Guapo (2)
• trig acc Scoop (1)
  theohall wd Grund (3)
  tru1cy wd Grund (2)
  Lagom wd Grund (1)
  Lagom acc Scoop (2)
  theohall acc Unagi (1)
  LordMortis wd theohall (1)
• Qantaga acc Lagom Lite (2)
  bb2112 wd Lagom Lite (1)
  bb2112 acc theohall (2)
  redrun wd Lassr (0)
• redrun acc Qantaga (1)
  bb2112 wd theohall (1)
• bb2112 acc Qantaga (2)
• Chaos acc Qantaga (3)
  Remus wd Newcastle (2)
• Remus acc redrun (2)
  Lagom wd Scoop (1)
• Lagom acc Qantaga (4)
  theohall wd Unagi (0)
• theohall acc bb2112 (1)
  RMC wd El Guapo (0)
• RMC acc redrun (3)

Votes required for lynch - 11

Against Qantaga (4) - redrun, bb2112, Chaosraven, Lagom Lite
Against redrun (3) - Lassr, Remus, RMC
Against Newcastle (2) - El Guapo, pr0ner
Against theohall (1) - Unagi
Against El Guapo (1) - Scoop
Against Scoop (1) - triggercut
Against Grundbegriff (1) - Newcastle
Against RMC (1) - Bakhtosh
Against Lagom LIte (1) - Qantaga
Against bb2112 (1) - theohall

No votes - Purge, Grundbegriff, tru1cy, Vorret, LordMortis

There are 17 villagers alive. The deadline for the lynch vote is June 6th at 9pm Eastern time.

stessier wrote:There are 17 Villagers & 4 wolves for a total of 21 players. Thus, the majority is 11.

Newcastle wrote:end will
come for haiku
sunny sky