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Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:28 pm
by Alefroth
Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:32 pm I read yesterday that Musk has gotten around the 60-day requirement in the past by simply notifying the workers they were to be laid off, then stopping the affected workers from doing anything work-related, all while keeping them on the payroll for 60 days. So rather than severance, they get a paid vacation.
And prevents them from sabotaging anything.

It seems like the WARN laws are basically requiring a 60 day severance. Can you imagine firing half your workforce and still have them come into work for 2 months.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:05 pm
by Isgrimnur
I’m sure you can probably just hand them 2mo severance in deference

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:33 pm
by Zaxxon
They all got 3 mo severance, so seems moot in this case.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:52 am
by The Meal
The WARN-compliant severance, don’t show up policy is fairly typical for big site layoffs. No unemployment benefits until the severance is concluded. The upside is no need for COBRA until it has timed out.

I would likely violate a company policy to “double-dip” if you found new employment early, but that’d be up to the company to enforce. I’ve never seen it enforced under those circumstances.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:35 am
by hepcat

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:00 pm
by Max Peck
When freedom of speech meets thin skin, apparently thin skin prevails.

Comedians, Actors & Chiptune Artists Suspended From Twitter Because Elon Musk Has No Idea What He's Doing
A number of high-profile, verified users have had their Twitter accounts suspended over the last few days after seemingly breaking, but also not breaking, some new rules instituted by the site’s new owner, Elon Musk.

Musk, who bought the social media platform despite not knowing what to do with it, how to run it or being able to afford it, began his tenure last month by celebrating the return of free speech, quickly reminding anyone that the people championing “free speech” the loudest are rarely interested in any such thing.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:12 pm
by Rumpy
People with thin skin should not decide what free speech is.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:21 pm
by Blackhawk
It's like Musk thinks he's in remake of Brewster's Millions.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:12 pm
by LordMortis
Max Peck wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:00 pm When freedom of speech meets thin skin, apparently thin skin prevails.

Comedians, Actors & Chiptune Artists Suspended From Twitter Because Elon Musk Has No Idea What He's Doing
A number of high-profile, verified users have had their Twitter accounts suspended over the last few days after seemingly breaking, but also not breaking, some new rules instituted by the site’s new owner, Elon Musk.

Musk, who bought the social media platform despite not knowing what to do with it, how to run it or being able to afford it, began his tenure last month by celebrating the return of free speech, quickly reminding anyone that the people championing “free speech” the loudest are rarely interested in any such thing.

Musk is what you might call a Free Speech Absolutist ShitShow.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:19 pm
by Max Peck
LordMortis wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:12 pm Musk is what you might call an Absolute ShitShow.
Mortoned.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:19 pm
by Max Peck
This is fine and perfectly normal in all well-managed businesses.

Musk-led Twitter laid off some employees by mistake, asks them to come back
After layoffs targeting half the company, the Elon Musk-led Twitter is reportedly asking dozens of employees to come back.

"Some of those who are being asked to return were laid off by mistake, according to two people familiar with the moves. Others were let go before management realized that their work and experience may be necessary to build the new features Musk envisions, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing private information," Bloomberg wrote.

On Friday, barely a week after Musk bought Twitter, the company moved ahead with a plan to lay off about 50 percent of its workforce. About 3,700 people were reportedly laid off. "Many employees learned they lost their job after their access to company-wide systems, like email and Slack, were suddenly suspended. The requests for employees to return demonstrate how rushed and chaotic the process was," Bloomberg wrote.

Reports say that Twitter began asking laid-off workers to come back on Saturday. Business Insider quoted a source as saying that one "worker who Twitter asked to return rejected the offer because they felt 'used, and think they will be fired again soon.'"

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:50 pm
by Rumpy
LordMortis wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:12 pm

Musk is what you might call a Free Speech Absolutist ShitShow.
It's pretty much exactly the way we called it when he originally announced his intention. One man's free-speech is one man's overreach. He's basically acting like a kid and making up rules as he goes along, and he's decided whatever he posts goes, while not giving others the same free speech.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:11 pm
by Holman
It's been said before: Every billionaire is a policy failure.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:31 pm
by Max Peck
Twitter chief information security officer Lea Kissner departs
Twitter’s most senior cybersecurity staffer Lea Kissner has departed the social media giant.

Kissner announced the move in a tweet on Thursday, saying they made the “hard decision” to leave Twitter, but did not say for what reason they resigned. Elon Musk completed a $44 billion takeover of Twitter two weeks ago, resulting in layoffs affecting more than half of the company and the departure of senior executives, including CEO Parag Agrawal, general counsel Sean Edgett, and legal policy chief Vijaya Gadde.

News of Kissner’s departure was first reported by Casey Newton. Twitter’s chief compliance officer, Marianne Fogarty, and chief privacy officer, Damien Kieran, reportedly also resigned on Wednesday, Newton said, citing messages shared in Twitter Slack that he’s seeing.

It’s not immediately clear who is responsible for Twitter’s day-to-day security operations following Kissner’s departure. A spokesperson for Twitter did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
I'm sure that Elmo can fill those roles much better anyway. No real loss. :coffee:

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:38 pm
by gilraen
Here’s how a Twitter engineer says it will break in the coming weeks
A massive tech platform like Twitter is built upon very many interdependent parts. “The larger catastrophic failures are a little more titillating, but the biggest risk is the smaller things starting to degrade,” says Ben Krueger, a site reliability engineer who has more than two decades of experience in the tech industry. “These are very big, very complicated systems.” Krueger says one 2017 presentation from Twitter staff includes a statistic suggesting that more than half the back-end infrastructure was dedicated to storing data.

While many of Musk’s detractors may hope the platform goes through the equivalent of thermonuclear destruction, the collapse of something like Twitter happens gradually. For those who know, gradual breakdowns are a sign of concern that a larger crash could be imminent. And that’s what’s happening now.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:10 pm
by Rumpy
With Musk in charge, it might happen quicker. Having someone like their most senior cybersecurity person leave should be a major red flag. Watching Musk be in charge of Twitter is like watching a game of Jenga unfold. Eventually that tower will topple due to a careless mistake.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:44 pm
by LawBeefaroni

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:46 pm
by Jaymann
Death knell.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:51 pm
by Blackhawk
I am genuinely amused. Brewster's Millions.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:53 pm
by malchior
So I sort of have an inside line on this...but grain of salt here it's 2nd hand. The reason they likely resigned is their teams were gutted without any respect to the work that was required due to regulatory activity, government oversight, and other concerns. Essentially they had work plans and road maps in flight and Musk just got on the table and pissed on them. And a lot of the layoff selection was completed without their input. It's insanity if that pans out as true. This might go down as one of the most hilarious business failures of all time.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:55 pm
by gilraen
malchior wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:53 pm So I sort of have an inside line on this...but grain of salt here it's 2nd hand. The reason they likely resigned is their teams were gutted without any respect to the work that was required due to regulatory activity, government oversight, and other concerns. And a lot of the selection was completed without their input. It's insanity if that pans out as true.
I have a more cynical take on this: they don't want to be left holding the bag when the inevitable fines and violations start rolling in (FTC may be toothless but its European counterparts are not).

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:57 pm
by malchior
gilraen wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:55 pm
malchior wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:53 pm So I sort of have an inside line on this...but grain of salt here it's 2nd hand. The reason they likely resigned is their teams were gutted without any respect to the work that was required due to regulatory activity, government oversight, and other concerns. And a lot of the selection was completed without their input. It's insanity if that pans out as true.
I have a more cynical take on this: they don't want to be left holding the bag when the inevitable fines and violations start rolling in (FTC may be toothless but its European counterparts are not).
Oh that's the right take. I'm just talking about the what happened to drive them out. Apparently they cut cybersecurity beyond the bone - like cut off two legs and an arm. No one wants to be holding the bag when the huge cyberattack happens, the FTC rolls out a HUGE fine (FTC isn't toothless and they fined FB $5B), and like you said the EU comes rolling in. Also on the table? State privacy violations. Regulatory issues in other smaller nations, etc. It's beyond bonkers. Seriously I'm beginning to think Musk might be a huge moron.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:59 pm
by stessier
gilraen wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:55 pm
malchior wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:53 pm So I sort of have an inside line on this...but grain of salt here it's 2nd hand. The reason they likely resigned is their teams were gutted without any respect to the work that was required due to regulatory activity, government oversight, and other concerns. And a lot of the selection was completed without their input. It's insanity if that pans out as true.
I have a more cynical take on this: they don't want to be left holding the bag when the inevitable fines and violations start rolling in (FTC may be toothless but its European counterparts are not).
FTC is far from toothless - they hit Facebook with a $5 billion fine.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1590770082753708032

Edit: BAM'd by malchior! :D

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:03 pm
by malchior
I'll edit myself. Maybe Elon is not a moron. Perhaps, this is a remake of an old classic. Call it 'Elon's Billions'. A movie where he is tasked by a dying autocrat to destroy a major media company for a stake in future Russian energy concerns.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:09 pm
by gilraen
stessier wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:59 pm FTC is far from toothless - they hit Facebook with a $5 billion fine.
Good to know, maybe I was thinking of FCC :)

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:14 pm
by malchior
gilraen wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:09 pm
stessier wrote: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:59 pm FTC is far from toothless - they hit Facebook with a $5 billion fine.
Good to know, maybe I was thinking of FCC :)
FCC - yes! That would be accurate. Mostly because it's governance structure is ... not great.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:29 pm
by Max Peck
With how well the Muskification of Twitter is going, I for one will certainly feel confident in using Twitter as a payment processing system to handle all my online banking needs. I also look forward to seeing hilarious paywalled parody videos from all those fake accounts that have been sprouting up. :coffee:

Elon Musk details his vision for a Twitter payments system
Elon Musk detailed his vision for Twitter’s plan to enter the payments market during a livestreamed meeting with Twitter advertisers, hosted on Twitter Spaces on Wednesday. The new Twitter owner suggested that, in the future, users would be able to send money to others on the platform, extract their funds to authenticated bank accounts and, later, perhaps, be offered a high-yield money market account to encourage them to move their cash to Twitter.

The new remarks followed a report this morning by The New York Times which confirmed Twitter last week had filed registration paperwork that would allow it to process payments. The report cited Twitter’s filing with the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), noting that a business would need to register before it could conduct money transfers, exchange currency or cash checks.

In today’s meeting, Musk explained how paid verification, which Twitter is rolling out now with its revamped Twitter Blue subscription, as well as support for a creator ecosystem, could pave the way for a payments system on its platform.

He stressed that, initially, Twitter would need to make fundamental technology architecture changes in order to better support video. The company was recently reported to be working on a “Paywalled Video” feature that would allow creators to charge for access to their content. This suggests Twitter could be moving into a space where it may try to compete more directly with various social media video providers, like TikTok, Instagram Reels, YouTube Shorts and others. The Washington Post saw mockups of this concept where a tweet with a video could be unlocked for as little as $1.00. It said creators may be able to choose from preset prices, like $1, $2, $5 or $10 when paywalled videos were launched.
I'm sure that making "fundamental technology architecture changes" at scale will go very smoothly now that he's culled all the deadwood from the company's payroll.

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Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:59 pm
by Max Peck
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Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:36 pm
by Isgrimnur
So he wants to turn Twitter into a Patreon Paypal?

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:54 pm
by Max Peck
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Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:10 pm
by Holman
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This is inspired.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:52 pm
by Holman

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:00 pm
by Isgrimnur
:laughing-rollingyellow:

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:04 pm
by Isgrimnur
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Gloriosa victoria, mural by Diego Rivera which satirizes the role of the US, UFC, Catholic Church and the military in the Guatemalan coup. The individuals giving the handshake are John Foster Dulles and general Castillo Armas.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:06 pm
by malchior

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:50 am
by Zaxxon

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:31 am
by LordMortis
You mean like threatening bankruptcy of "the town square" not a week after buying it?

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-mu ... ng-2022-11
Elon Musk said in his first meeting with Twitter staff since buying the company that "bankruptcy isn't out of the question," sources who attended the event told Insider.
Bankruptcy is typically seen as a last ditch effort by companies, but it could be beneficial to Twitter since Musk loaded it with debt to fund his $44 billion leveraged buyout. Twitter now has more than $10 billion in debt. The interest payments on that may be so high that the company may struggle to meet those obligations, especially if advertisers are pulling back during a weak economy. Even before the deal, Twitter struggled to make a profit.
The CEO hasn't shied away from the idea of bankruptcy in the past. In June, Musk said he was worried about keeping Tesla out of bankruptcy amid supply-chain issues.
I wonder who loses if/when he decides not to pay creditors.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:10 am
by Zarathud
Elon is desperately looking for cash to pay off the banks from his takeover bid. It’s behind his reckless cuts, the subscription fees, and this bank idea. He made a terrible deal.

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:02 pm
by Rumpy
Oh no worries, he'll just pay his IOUs through his paymnent system. :mrgreen:

Re: Social Media Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:35 pm
by gilraen
Apparently Twitter has now suspended their $8 "fake-but-verified" subscription service. Well, mostly suspended - the actual rollout of the suspension is glitchy where it's still showing as available on some platforms/apps and not others.