Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:29 pm

There are all sorts of things that could be done, but I don't see this administration doing them.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:45 pm

Defiant wrote:I remember hearing that China built two new hospitals in two weeks in response to the crisis. Wonder what the possibility that we could do the same (we can just use gold to speed them up and have them completed next turn, right?)- and if there's any moves to do that.

But who’s going to staff them, kid? You?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:10 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:45 pm
Defiant wrote:I remember hearing that China built two new hospitals in two weeks in response to the crisis. Wonder what the possibility that we could do the same (we can just use gold to speed them up and have them completed next turn, right?)- and if there's any moves to do that.
But who’s going to staff them, kid? You?

If we run out of doctors and nurses, we can get the ones that play them on TV. That should be enough for at least a dozen hospitals.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:24 pm

I hope that there’s a hearing about how testing for Covid 19 abysmally failed in the US compared to other countries which got hit earlier than the US.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:25 pm

https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1237158783027159048

Neither the CDC nor the coronavirus task force chaired by Pence would say who made the decision to forgo the WHO test that so many other countries accepted and used.

It will eventually come out.

Article via Politico.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:40 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:25 pm https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1237158783027159048

Neither the CDC nor the coronavirus task force chaired by Pence would say who made the decision to forgo the WHO test that so many other countries accepted and used.

It will eventually come out.
Article via Politico.

Methinks that congressional hearings will be coming and subpoenas issued to all.

We as a people cannot let this go. There are more virulent things out in the world and we can’t afford the same clusterfuck of a response when the next, possibly nastier, virus makes its way here.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:41 pm

Absent federal leadership (other than tax cuts), I expect that we'll notice which states have advanced medical facilities, full insurance coverage, and strong support services versus which states went with low taxes instead. Covid won't respect borders, but without the feds leveling out resources, our response to it will.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:55 pm

They say there are 500 known cases. My feeling is there are over 3000 unknown already.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:17 am

I'd be amazed if it were that few.

Victoria Raverna · Post by **Victoria Raverna** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:35 am

Daehawk wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:55 pm They say there are 500 known cases. My feeling is there are over 3000 unknown already.

Now, this is just my hunch, and — but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this, because a lot of people will have this, and it's very mild. They will get better very rapidly. They don't even see a doctor.

So, if we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:12 am

Defiant wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:13 pm I remember hearing that China built two new hospitals in two weeks in response to the crisis. Wonder what the possibility that we could do the same (we can just use gold to speed them up and have them completed next turn, right?)- and if there's any moves to do that.

King County WA bought an EconoLodge.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:08 am

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:25 pm https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1237158783027159048

Neither the CDC nor the coronavirus task force chaired by Pence would say who made the decision to forgo the WHO test that so many other countries accepted and used.

It will eventually come out.
Article via Politico.

Pence then closed the meeting with a prayer for all of those affected before attending debriefing with the President in preparation for his meeting with top WallStreet executives. (If it's not obvious that I'm making that up, well, I'm making it up. It's getting harder and harder to find that perfect edge between cynicism and what's really going on)

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:27 am

I'll take racist a-holes for $500 Alex

https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/12 ... 3565447168

Everything you need to know about the Chinese coronavirus can be found on one, regularly-updated website:

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:30 am

LordMortis wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:08 am Pence then closed the meeting with a prayer for all of those affected before attending debriefing with the President in preparation for his meeting with top WallStreet executives. (If it's not obvious that I'm making that up, well, I'm making it up. It's getting harder and harder to find that perfect edge between cynicism and what's really going on)

Honestly never would have occurred to me that was a joke. That's 100% on brand for Pence.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:58 am

Dow is going up which to Trump is probably mission accomplished since the stock market is his barometer for all things. Can't wait to hear the circle jerkers praising him for his decisive leadership from the back nine.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:42 am

$iljanus wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:58 am Dow is going up which to Trump is probably mission accomplished since the stock market is his barometer for all things. Can't wait to hear the circle jerkers praising him for his decisive leadership from the back nine.

I don't think he's stupid enough to sell that message when the market is still only 80% of what it was a few weeks ago, making it down year over year and down year over year before that. Though, as usual. I have no finger on the pulse of Trump nor why stupid messaging still succeeds.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:52 am

Only like +300 now, but ya I have no idea why anyone would react to the nonsense he spouts. If we did everything he said there would be zero money coming in. This country is going to be a smoking crater if he gets another 4 years.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:53 am

Octavious wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:52 am Only like +300 now, but ya I have no idea why anyone would react to the nonsense he spouts. If we did everything he said there would be zero money coming in. This country is going to be a smoking crater if he gets another 4 years.

Spoiler:

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:56 am

Octavious wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:52 am Only like +300 now, but ya I have no idea why anyone would react to the nonsense he spouts. If we did everything he said there would be zero money coming in. This country is going to be a smoking crater if he gets another 4 years.

As long as that smoking crater is whites only, I'm guessing most Trump supporters are good with it.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:11 am

In my town there are Trump flags all over the place. It's so depressing

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:14 am

Can't wait to see how much money Trump hotels get

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/ ... 8664955904

President Trump confirms our scoop from last week that the White House is looking at special federal relief for the hotel, cruise, and airline industries amid the coronavirus downturn

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:28 am

I will say, while obviously the administration's response to the coronavirus has been woefully deficient, I do at least feel grateful that Trump doesn't seem to have discovered the civil liberties restrictions that he could plausibly impose in connection with an epidemic.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:36 am

There aren't any US cruise lines, are there? I know a bunch have their headquarters here, but all the ships are registered elsewhere.

The optics of bailing out foreign cruise lines while farmers continue to suffer depressed prices due to China are interesting.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:03 pm

El Guapo wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:28 am I will say, while obviously the administration's response to the coronavirus has been woefully deficient, I do at least feel grateful that Trump doesn't seem to have discovered the civil liberties restrictions that he could plausibly impose in connection with an epidemic.

Not that I'm wild about siding with the Trump administration if they do impose restrictions that impinge on civil liberties, but isn't restriction of movement and association (although Constitutionally-nightmarish) one of the ways to fight Corona and reduce potential deaths?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:04 pm

Dogstar wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:03 pm
El Guapo wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:28 am I will say, while obviously the administration's response to the coronavirus has been woefully deficient, I do at least feel grateful that Trump doesn't seem to have discovered the civil liberties restrictions that he could plausibly impose in connection with an epidemic.
Not that I'm wild about siding with the Trump administration if they do impose restrictions that impinge on civil liberties, but isn't restriction of movement and association (although Constitutionally-nightmarish) one of the ways to fight Corona and reduce potential deaths?

It is. And it may well be justifiable or even necessary. But god, can you imagine how Trump would use and abuse that authority?

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:14 pm

naednek wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:40 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:07 am
GungHo wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:46 pm Well along with continuing to make us work on Christmas and Thanksgiving, the children's hospital I work for us continuing to make us take care of patients.

We did get some extra wipes to clean stuff though so that's...exciting?

I'll probably get this thing and it probably won't make me very sick. Probably.
What you gonna do?
This is a super fun time to have a kid currently in the midst of an extended stay in the hospital (on day 9, expected to go into next week). I visit daily, but I'm gearing up for my full time shift over the weekend. On the plus side, he's in isolation so everyone gowns up when they come in - maybe that will protect us?
Looks like we're in the same boat.. Day 18 here. And we had a patient who died of the Corona Virus in the hospital last week.

It's kind of funny/scary how often our boys seem to be hospitalized at the same time. Saw in the other thread that you're hoping to be released soon. We're hoping for Thursday, which puts us at around 16 days total. You win this time, Naednek! (At least I hope we go home then and you win for longer stay!)

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:20 pm

stessier wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:36 am There aren't any US cruise lines, are there? I know a bunch have their headquarters here, but all the ships are registered elsewhere.

The optics of bailing out foreign cruise lines while farmers continue to suffer depressed prices due to China are interesting.

Carnival is headquartered in Florida. It's not a foreign line. Its corporate parent is also headquartered in he US, though it does have a lot of foreign lines too.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:23 pm

By the way, it's been almost a week since NJ sent our first set of presumptive positive cases for the CDC to verify and we've yet to hear back. Normal turnaround should be 24-72 hours. Apparently we're not alone:

https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1 ... 4208012288

Washington state Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R) says her constituents aren't getting coronavirus test results for days after being tested.

CDC Director Redfield responds that there is "not enough equipment, not enough people, not enough internal capacity."

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:36 pm

Smoove_B wrote:By the way, it's been almost a week since NJ sent our first set of presumptive positive cases for the CDC to verify and we've yet to hear back. Normal turnaround should be 24-72 hours. Apparently we're not alone:

https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1 ... 4208012288

Washington state Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R) says her constituents aren't getting coronavirus test results for days after being tested.

CDC Director Redfield responds that there is "not enough equipment, not enough people, not enough internal capacity."

Fuck, almost better to send the samples to South Korea at this point. The difference in response between the US and South Korea is embarrassing and instructive for the future.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:45 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:20 pm
stessier wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:36 am There aren't any US cruise lines, are there? I know a bunch have their headquarters here, but all the ships are registered elsewhere.

The optics of bailing out foreign cruise lines while farmers continue to suffer depressed prices due to China are interesting.
Carnival is headquartered in Florida. It's not a foreign line. Its corporate parent is also headquartered in he US, though it does have a lot of foreign lines too.

Interesting - I thought it was Norwegian, like many of the others. Thanks.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:52 pm

stessier wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:45 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:20 pm
stessier wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:36 am There aren't any US cruise lines, are there? I know a bunch have their headquarters here, but all the ships are registered elsewhere.

The optics of bailing out foreign cruise lines while farmers continue to suffer depressed prices due to China are interesting.
Carnival is headquartered in Florida. It's not a foreign line. Its corporate parent is also headquartered in he US, though it does have a lot of foreign lines too.
Interesting - I thought it was Norwegian, like many of the others. Thanks.

Wiki

It has 26 vessels and is the largest fleet in the Carnival group.[3] The ships fly flags of convenience: 18 of the ships fly the Panama flag, six that of the Bahamas and two that of Malta.

Dogstar · Post by **Dogstar** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:55 pm

El Guapo wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:04 pm It is. And it may well be justifiable or even necessary. But god, can you imagine how Trump would use and abuse that authority?

I'm not wild about it by any means. For what it's worth, I think Trump will try to defer to the states rather than issuing such an order.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:03 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:52 pm
stessier wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:45 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:20 pm
stessier wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:36 am There aren't any US cruise lines, are there? I know a bunch have their headquarters here, but all the ships are registered elsewhere.

The optics of bailing out foreign cruise lines while farmers continue to suffer depressed prices due to China are interesting.
Carnival is headquartered in Florida. It's not a foreign line. Its corporate parent is also headquartered in he US, though it does have a lot of foreign lines too.
Interesting - I thought it was Norwegian, like many of the others. Thanks.
Wiki

It has 26 vessels and is the largest fleet in the Carnival group.[3] The ships fly flags of convenience: 18 of the ships fly the Panama flag, six that of the Bahamas and two that of Malta.

So I wasn't even close. Excellent.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:06 pm

No, you were not.

Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL), also known in short as Norwegian, is a cruise line founded in 1966 and based in the United States.
...
As of December 2019, Norwegian Cruise Line operates 17 cruise ships, with six on order. It has also previously owned or operated 19 other ships. All its ships are flagged to the Bahamas, except for the Pride of America, which operates cruises within the United States and is flagged and registered in the US, as well as being owned by a US-registered subsidiary, NCL America.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:09 pm

They flag them to other countries due to US port laws of some crazy shit.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:11 pm

Flag of convenience

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:25 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:14 pm
naednek wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:40 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:07 am
GungHo wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:46 pm Well along with continuing to make us work on Christmas and Thanksgiving, the children's hospital I work for us continuing to make us take care of patients.

We did get some extra wipes to clean stuff though so that's...exciting?

I'll probably get this thing and it probably won't make me very sick. Probably.
What you gonna do?
This is a super fun time to have a kid currently in the midst of an extended stay in the hospital (on day 9, expected to go into next week). I visit daily, but I'm gearing up for my full time shift over the weekend. On the plus side, he's in isolation so everyone gowns up when they come in - maybe that will protect us?
Looks like we're in the same boat.. Day 18 here. And we had a patient who died of the Corona Virus in the hospital last week.
It's kind of funny/scary how often our boys seem to be hospitalized at the same time. Saw in the other thread that you're hoping to be released soon. We're hoping for Thursday, which puts us at around 16 days total. You win this time, Naednek! (At least I hope we go home then and you win for longer stay!)

We broke out last night. That was our longest. I'm hoping for another 5 year streak where it doesn't he doesn't get admitted, but sadly I don't think this will happen. This marks his 3rd stay in 1.5 years.

Hope your son heals quickly and can get out soon.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:09 pm

How...how the fuck is this the man in charge?

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1237442130844495872

Asked if he's been briefed that up to 100M could ultimately be exposed, Trump: "I've been briefed on every contingency you could possibly imagine. Many contingencies. A lot of positive. Different numbers, all different numbers, very large numbers, and some small numbers too."

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:13 pm

Because he's a useful idiot.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:15 pm

Trump is like a See & Say.....yank his cord and silly sounds come out.