Election integrity and the transfer of power

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:25 pm

This is all rolled into what I talk about when I say we are in extreme danger. He has control of armageddon, he has command authority over the US military, he terrifying powers and he is a trapped feral fascist evil creature. We shouldn't be comfortable right now. Here is just an off the top of my head example of what could happen inspired by the events of Wednesday. What if these guys roll back into DC in force with arms and the army doesn't lift a finger to defend the Capitol? That was actually a fear in the back of my head when he said he was going to Camp David. Until noon on the 20th we don't have a sane person in charge of all the immediate levers of power.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:30 pm

Kurth wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:19 pm It took an hour and a half for the DOD to grant (former) Capitol Police Chief Sund’s urgent request for emergency assistance?

And then they put out a memo referring to 1/6 as “First Amendment Activities”?

I had hoped that DOD was relatively insulated from Trumpaloos, but this definitely makes me second guess that.

Why second guess it? He fired Esper and put an unqualified Trumpist in as Acting SecDef. Many of us said this was a scary move. None of this should be surprising anymore. The man is a fascist. He is a wanna be tyrant. He chooses these people because they are loyal to him first and *maybe* the United States second. We are possibly only going to escape this by the skin of our teeth and there is a decent chance that this isn't over yet.

Also, after reading the Atlantic piece linked by malchior above, I’m left wondering whether there’s some Constitutional provision that prohibits Congress from working on weekends.

It's the House leadership. Pelosi et. al. are just not up to protecting us. I was struck that Pelosi made yet another empty threat on Friday and Schiff put out a strong statement about 30 minutes later. There are factions desperately trying to get these useless do-nothings to act. Omar had an article of impeachment ready Thursday night. Maybe we don't like her politics but at least she saw the emergency for what it is.

To be clear the Republicans are the problem but the Democrats need a kick in the ass after this is done. That they are still slow rolling action and wringing their hands is simply insane considering the level of threat.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:40 pm

Kurth wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:19 pm I had hoped that DOD was relatively insulated from Trumpaloos, but this definitely makes me second guess that.

Did you forget that Trump had purged the DoD leadership and installed loyalists back in November, just days after losing the election?

If one were to speculate that the Trump administration was capable of planning in advance, one might almost believe that there was a reason for doing that.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:56 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:30 pmTo be clear the Republicans are the problem but the Democrats need a kick in the ass after this is done. That they are still slow rolling action and wringing their hands is simply unacceptable.

I've yet to hear a cohesive argument as to why the articles were not introduced by the House Thursday or Friday. "They aren't in session" and "everyone went home" seems to be the reasoning. Oh, ok. I guess those are just insurmountable problems with no way to address. I'm at a complete loss as to how to frame what appears to be a complete lack of concern over all this. This should be an all hands on deck moment and instead:

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1347678192123990016

Really sad. At a time of deep national division, President-elect Biden’s choice to call his political opponents literal Nazis does nothing to bring us together or promote healing.

This kind of vicious partisan rhetoric only tears our country apart.

Biden's rhetoric is tearing the nation apart. Voting to throw out election results after the Capitol was stormed by a mob incited by the President and his cult is apparently healing the nation and bringing us together.

FFS, Cruz!

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:01 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:56 pm
malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:30 pmTo be clear the Republicans are the problem but the Democrats need a kick in the ass after this is done. That they are still slow rolling action and wringing their hands is simply unacceptable.
I've yet to hear a cohesive argument as to why the articles were not introduced by the House Thursday or Friday. "They aren't in session" and "everyone went home" seems to be the reasoning. Oh, ok. I guess those are just insurmountable problems with no way to address. I'm at a complete loss as to how to frame what appears to be a complete lack of concern over all this.

I don't think they lack concern. What is lacking is the ability to diagnose the danger. Pelosi jumping to nuclear weapons makes sense but the biggest threat we face is the population. She can't wrap her mind around that I suspect. We got here because of people like her who have long been unable to see beyond the boundaries of the worlds they created. They are severely out of touch. In this, they just don't have the capacity and flexibility needed to react to current events. That is why they might get away from them.

Edit: There is definitely an battle happening in the news. The narrative between sets of Congressional leaders on tv bear that out. "Do we want to spend the first days of the Biden administration dealing with Trump" vs. "The President is clear threat and we need to send a message". I clearly align with the 2nd and think that Congress is not going to do anything early in Biden's Presidency anyway. Still what it comes down to is that the near-term political warfare is continuing in a way completely divorced for the threat levels present. It is just negligence. We saw our government completely fail at emergency after emergency for several years, and here we are at one of the gravest moments in our democracy and they can't make decisions. I'm sorry but we're fuct.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:08 pm

Scaramucci tweet taunts Trump, who has no way to answer

The Mooch is taunting his former boss — who can’t counter with an insult of his own.

Anthony Scaramucci, whose tenure as White House communications director was so short it became slang for a brief moment in time, took to Twitter to tease the outgoing commander-in-chief.

“One Scaramucci left for Trump,” he tweeted on Saturday.

The tweet might have been confusing for some people, but fortunately Dictionary.com stepped in to provide clarity.

https://twitter.com/Dictionarycom/statu ... 3487706113

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:08 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -says.html

President Donald Trump's cabinet is unlikely to remove him from office in the final days of his term, but the White House is operating under a 'de facto 25th Amendment' with cabinet members essentially ignoring Trump, a reporter claims.

Good days for Russia and China. How would a full on cyber attack go down?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:15 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:01 pm We saw our government completely fail at emergency after emergency for several years, and here we are at one of the gravest moments in our democracy and they can't make decisions.

https://twitter.com/AnthonyMKreis/statu ... 4408770561

The lesson from Reconstruction is that so many of our problems began in 1865 and 1866. Those who had lost and committed seditious, anti-democratic acts were allowed to go on without requiring meaningful penance. Thus, the seeds of the Lost Cause mythology were planted. We can't repeat that mistake. There must be an affirmation of American democracy, a ratification of free and fair elections. The only way forward is to take Trumpism's anti-democratic impulses and destroy it root and branch. There will be no healing without a political reckoning. This is precisely what constitutional tools like impeachment are for contrary to some law professors' assertions. If we do not use them and we fail to learn from history, the American project will irreparably suffer.

Should be shouted from the rooftops.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:18 pm

Enough made this point last night. It really does feel like Reconstruction 2.0 as he called it. It is an epic mistake. Unfortunately we have a very well armed and angry populace and a military/police force that has membership of an unknown quantity sympathetic to some of their views. And our useless leadership refuse to be tough. I can't understand it.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:20 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:25 pm This is all rolled into what I talk about when I say we are in extreme danger. He has control of armageddon, he has command authority over the US military, he terrifying powers and he is a trapped feral fascist evil creature. We shouldn't be comfortable right now. Here is just an off the top of my head example of what could happen inspired by the events of Wednesday. What if these guys roll back into DC in force with arms and the army doesn't lift a finger to defend the Capitol? That was actually a fear in the back of my head when he said he was going to Camp David. Until noon on the 20th we don't have a sane person in charge of all the immediate levers of power.

Not sure if it was this thread or another, but this was the gist of my concern when we were talking about the FBI. We KNOW Trump and his cabinet members have been intent on undermining existing institutions and/or replacing with qualified and unqualified loyalists in all departments, but especially the ones that probably matter most right now: DOJ, DOD, FBI, etc. He may have had more or less success depending on the acronym, but I strongly disagree with those that think we can still trust these extremely powerful orgs to work in our best interest right now, vs Trump's.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:36 pm

In Capital, a G.O.P. Crisis. At the R.N.C. Meeting, a Trump Celebration.

Party members at a gathering of the Republican National Committee endorsed President Trump as the man to lead the party forward, ignoring the turmoil in Washington.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:42 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:20 pmNot sure if it was this thread or another, but this was the gist of my concern when we were talking about the FBI. We KNOW Trump and his cabinet members have been intent on undermining existing institutions and/or replacing with qualified and unqualified loyalists in all departments, but especially the ones that probably matter most right now: DOJ, DOD, FBI, etc. He may have had more or less success depending on the acronym, but I strongly disagree with those that think we can still trust these extremely powerful orgs to work in our best interest right now, vs Trump's.

They don't even have to affirmatively do anything. Agencies been so hollowed out that they are non-functional and corrupt. Merrick Garland if he becomes AG will have to do a complete rehab on the DOJ for instance. I heard Malcolm Nance talking today that he worries about an Indira Ghandi situation with the secret service (she was murdered by one of her bodyguards). I didn't know it but Trump plucked a Secret Service agent out and made him a political operative and just put him back into the Secret Service. That might be much more unlikely than not but Nance was just making the point that Biden's administration is going to be dealing with corrupt, insider problems on top of all the other problems. This situation is really hard to wrap our minds around but it's pretty clear this is not the end of the story here.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:51 pm

From now on when people want to count off seconds, it should be: One Scaramucci, two Scaramucci, three Scaramucci...

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:58 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:56 pm Biden's rhetoric is tearing the nation apart. Voting to throw out election results after the Capitol was stormed by a mob incited by the President and his cult is apparently healing the nation and bringing us together.

FFS, Cruz!

This feeds into conservative philosophy. If you don't talk about it, it doesn't exist.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:04 pm

noxiousdog wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:58 pm This feeds into conservative philosophy. If you don't talk about it, it doesn't exist.

I also just saw that Lindsey Graham made similar comments last night - that he won't vote to impeach, there's no way they can start before 1/20 (as per Mitch McConnell) and that it's going to divide the nation.

Unreal.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:04 pm

Finally, "The Plan" is revealed:

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:36 pm

I am seeing on Twitter that hacktivists have scraped every post on Parler from the 6th. Good for them!

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:49 pm

How would Biden being "tough" help anything?

We just had a President who was absolutely obsessed with being tough. Everything Trump did (or didn't) do over the last 4 years was evaluated through the narrow prism of "does this make me look strong?" And yet, I'm willing to wager that not one person on this board ever felt personally intimidated enough by Trump to change what they believed, what they said, or how they acted. I know I haven't been. And if we wouldn't change in the face of Trump being the toughest tough to ever tough, why would anyone on the other side change because Biden does the same?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:53 pm

Jaymann wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:04 pm Finally, "The Plan" is revealed:

Yeah this is a no brainer. There is zero chance he and his minions didn't orchestrate this. There are other sinister undertones here about the Capitol police readiness. Al Sharpton noted that he has thrown many protests there and he had to have detailed security plan meetings with Parks, Capitol Police, MPD, etc. I find it hard to believe they had those meetings and then came up with this security plan. I haven't heard anything about whether those meetings occurred or why planning for the 6th that had vastly inadequate police coverage. I don't buy that Trump's political appointees didn't intentionally go soft on this.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:12 pm

So when are news agencies gonna call out OO for being the sanest group of folk on the internet for the last 4 years?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:16 pm

Daehawk wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:12 pm So when are news agencies gonna call out OO for being the sanest group of folk on the internet for the last 4 years?

Precisely 4 years after hepcat deletes his account.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:17 pm

The West Virigina lawmaker who has been arrested for his part in the riot has just resigned.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:45 pm

Trump rally in MN apparently sparsely attended.

https://twitter.com/patricktcondon/stat ... 5201606657

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:47 pm

Little Raven wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:49 pm How would Biden being "tough" help anything?

We just had a President who was absolutely obsessed with being tough. Everything Trump did (or didn't) do over the last 4 years was evaluated through the narrow prism of "does this make me look strong?" And yet, I'm willing to wager that not one person on this board ever felt personally intimidated enough by Trump to change what they believed, what they said, or how they acted. I know I haven't been. And if we wouldn't change in the face of Trump being the toughest tough to ever tough, why would anyone on the other side change because Biden does the same?

Would you feel better if they said resolute instead?

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:01 pm

Alefroth wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:47 pmWould you feel better if they said resolute instead?

Not really, because from what I've seen, Biden has been pretty resolute. He didn't exactly mince words in his speech. He made it clear that lawlessness would not be tolerated, and we're all watching the FBI roll up various rioters one after the other, so that part of our system is clearly functioning. And yet people are saying he's not doing enough, or doing the right thing.

What exactly is Biden supposed to do?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:07 pm

Little Raven wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:01 pm
Alefroth wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:47 pmWould you feel better if they said resolute instead?
Not really, because from what I've seen, Biden has been pretty resolute. He didn't exactly mince words in his speech. He made it clear that lawlessness would not be tolerated, and we're all watching the FBI roll up various rioters one after the other, so that part of our system is clearly functioning. And yet people are saying he's not doing enough, or doing the right thing.

What exactly is Biden supposed to do?

He is too focused on the tactical. What I think he needs is a strategy to bring the Republicans back in from the cold and work to integrate these folks back into our polity. He seems to still be operating with a plan to keep just saying and acting like he is a unity President. He seems to believe that will be enough when the other side is living in an alternate universe and simply will reject anything he does. FFS they think that *Joe Biden is bringing communism* to the United States. His kumbaya, rose-colored glasses approach isn't going to cut through that.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:13 pm

Little Raven wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:49 pm How would Biden being "tough" help anything?

We just had a President who was absolutely obsessed with being tough. Everything Trump did (or didn't) do over the last 4 years was evaluated through the narrow prism of "does this make me look strong?" And yet, I'm willing to wager that not one person on this board ever felt personally intimidated enough by Trump to change what they believed, what they said, or how they acted. I know I haven't been. And if we wouldn't change in the face of Trump being the toughest tough to ever tough, why would anyone on the other side change because Biden does the same?

Well, for one thing, Trump wasn't tough on anything unless he could accomplish it with a tweet. He could be cruel, but that's different than being tough.

But besides that, people (white people) largely don't realize there are consequences to their actions. They think consequences are for other people. These people openly call their actions this week part of a revolution, and yet are surprised at even the limited amount of pushback they got from Capitol Police. You don't start a revolution against your own government and get to just pretend nothing happened. The Founding Fathers weren't shocked when King George sent his army to shut their shit down. Everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence knew that failure probably meant their death*.

Biden (aka the federal government) MUST be tough to quell this uprising. There HAS to be consequences for individuals who take up arms against America.

Will Biden personally be sending out mean tweets and getting red-faced at rallies decrying these traitors as unAmerican? No, and that's not what he should be doing. But he should give Merrick Garland and the Justice Department everything they need so that they can tackle this huge threat against the country, while he is personally involved in fighting the other massive threat against the country (COVID).

*to be clear, I'm not saying these traitors should face the death penalty. But they absolutely must face punishment for the numerous laws they've broken. There's no such thing as going easy on these people for the sake of unity and healing. Arrests of people who took part in the siege of the Capitol is the right thing to do. So is Big Tech shutting down their breeding grounds. At some point these traitorous politicians who voted to overturn an election need to be punished. At a minimum with an official censure (I know this is extremely unlikely). They all need to be expelled, but outside of Hawley and Cruz there's no way that's happening.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:15 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:07 pmHis kumbaya, rose-colored glasses approach isn't going to cut through that.

And the alternative is?

Biden's "kumbaya" approach is the same as Clinton and Reagan and Obama...and pretty much every other President in the last 50 years that wasn't named Trump. Some are better at it than others, but the reason it's so popular is that it's pretty much the only realistic approach the President has. When Presidents try anything else, they generally end up looking very stupid.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:16 pm

The drum beat is getting loud. I personally have gotten emails from Schiff, my congresswoman, and a couple of other prominent voices asking for signatures. It sure feels like there is a struggle to do this happening.

https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1347983036135088128

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:20 pm

msteelers wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:13 pmBiden (aka the federal government) MUST be tough to quell this uprising. There HAS to be consequences for individuals who take up arms against America.

And we're seeing that. The MAGA shaman has been arrested. The Pelosi squatter is in jail. The podium thief is behind bars. Zip tie guy has been identified, and I suspect won't be a free man for very much longer. Twitter has shut down MAGA accounts. Facebook has cracked down on them as well. Parlor has had its hosting revoked.

All without Biden even taking office. So....why is Biden's approach wrong?

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:22 pm

Little Raven wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:15 pm
malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:07 pmHis kumbaya, rose-colored glasses approach isn't going to cut through that.
And the alternative is?

Biden's "kumbaya" approach is the same as Clinton and Reagan and Obama...and pretty much every other President in the last 50 years that wasn't named Trump. Some are better at it than others, but the reason it's so popular is that it's pretty much the only realistic approach the President has. When Presidents try anything else, they generally end up looking very stupid.

I'm not finished with Obama's book yet, but it's pretty clear he understands that he made a mistake going with the kumbaya approach.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:24 pm

Also, “tough” has a lot of potential meanings. Personally? Trump was and apparently remains just a bully, but when shit gets real, he’s shown to be quite the pussy on more than one occasion. He told his riot thugs he was going to walk with them. Where was he?

Talking/tweeting tough is very different than being tough and showing courage and steel when it matters.

Tough policies? I *guess* you could call throwing kids in cages “tough”.

He is certainly politically tough, I’ll concede that one.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:29 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:24 pmAlso, “tough” has a lot of potential meanings.

Oh, sure. And it's highly subjective. Trump never came off as "tough" to me....more like deluded/ridiculous, but boy did his followers buy it. I certainly wouldn't want to see Biden go down THAT road. (not that he would)

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:29 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:16 pm The drum beat is getting loud. I personally have gotten emails from Schiff, my congresswoman, and a couple of other prominent voices asking for signatures. It sure feels like there is a struggle to do this happening.

https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1347983036135088128

I'm a little surprised that they only have 180 co-sponsors. I'd've expected all of the Democratic representatives to sign on if they are going to vote to impeach him. I wonder if the reason it isn't going to a vote until Monday is because they still need time to get even all of the Democrats on board.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pm

Little Raven wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:20 pm
msteelers wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:13 pmBiden (aka the federal government) MUST be tough to quell this uprising. There HAS to be consequences for individuals who take up arms against America.
And we're seeing that. The MAGA shaman has been arrested. The Pelosi squatter is in jail. The podium thief is behind bars. Zip tie guy has been identified, and I suspect won't be a free man for very much longer. Twitter has shut down MAGA accounts. Facebook has cracked down on them as well. Parlor has had its hosting revoked.

All without Biden even taking office. So....why is Biden's approach wrong?

You're focusing on tactical stuff. The question is how do you deal with 70+M people who think Joe Biden is bringing communism to their lives? There is no easy answer here but hoping they recognize how great an administrator and guy he is isn't going to do it. Since he is trying to install communism in their opinion. However, to give an example he has the Republican party in an awkward position. He could be pushing impeachment. It forces House Republicans to go on the record about Trump's actions. Then a trial that forces the Republicans in the Senate to go on the record. If he was to take off the gloves he could take a shot at shattering the GOP by exposing their extreme insurrectionist hearts. That of course is risky and needs to be thought through. Another approach is to call out their white supremacy but I think that is riskier at the moment because people still have trouble facing that one.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:43 pm

So you are upset he isn’t talking up / taking some really risky strategic approaches right now?

Maybe he sees pushing for impeachment as counter productive to achieving the support they need for achieving it?

Strategy can sometimes be strategic

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:51 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pmThe question is how do you deal with 70+M people who think Joe Biden is bringing communism to their lives? There is no easy answer here but hoping they recognize how great an administrator and guy you are isn't going to do it.

Probably not, but that's all he can do. Assuming you are a vaguely law-abiding average citizen, there's not a lot the President of the United States can do to you if you disagree with him, and we probably want to keep it that way.

Biden can't impeach Trump. That's a job for Congress. Maybe they'll do it and maybe they won't, but either way, Biden getting involved won't help. Pretty much all he could do would be to motivate Democrats, but if Democrats need motivation to impeach then the effort is already doomed. And Biden getting involved would almost certainly make getting Republican votes harder, not easier. So he has to sit above that fight. And I agree that Biden lecturing the country on how everyone that didn't vote for him is a white supremist would be a great way to make sure both houses flip Republican in 2022, but presumably that's not the goal here.

It's frustrating, but there's really not much we can do about Republicans at large except wait for them to come to their senses. We can crack down on the ones that actually break the law, and we do, but the vast, vast majority of them won't go that far. On the plus side, history suggests that No-Nothing parties fizzle out after a few years....you just can't build a stable political structure on something so out of step with reality. On the down side, history also suggests that if a No-Nothing party manages to secure enough state power to start trying to force reality to bend to their nonsense views...that can go real bad real quick. But we're managing to stay ahead of that wave for now, if only just.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:02 pm

malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pm The question is how do you deal with 70+M people who think Joe Biden is bringing communism to their lives?

The fact that most of that 70MM can’t even define what communism actually is seems like the larger problem.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:16 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:02 pm
malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pm The question is how do you deal with 70+M people who think Joe Biden is bringing communism to their lives?
The fact that most of that 70MM can’t even define what communism actually is seems like the larger problem.

It will be a long process but Biden can start chipping away at the 70 million by getting a handle on the Coronavirus, salvaging the economy, passing some good initiatives that start to improve people’s lives. If his administration makes some headway, you’ll have a part of the 70 million singing the praises of Karl Marx while informing on the remaining deplorables who’ll be threatening their ill gotten Socialist health care and fair worker’s wages.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:21 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:02 pm
malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pm The question is how do you deal with 70+M people who think Joe Biden is bringing communism to their lives?
The fact that most of that 70MM can’t even define what communism actually is seems like the larger problem.

One thing about Communism always bothered me: From each according to his ability to each according to his need. So the secret to getting ahead is to be real needy?