malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pm
The question is how do you deal with 70+M people who think Joe Biden is bringing communism to their lives?
The fact that most of that 70MM can’t even define what communism actually is seems like the larger problem.
One thing about Communism always bothered me: From each according to his ability to each according to his need. So the secret to getting ahead is to be real needy?
The point of communism, true communism is that you don't get ahead. No one does, you get what you need. If you need 5 and I need 4 that's what we get, getting ahead would be if you need 5 and get/take 7, welcome to capitalism.
3 days after the Capitol was attacked: “We need to move on.”
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:36 pm
by Max Peck
Of course, in the real world the way to get ahead in a "communist" system is to be in charge. All animals are equal, but some are always more equal than others.
So much this. Deregulate!!!! Private Enterprise must be allowed to choose. States rights! Stop federal overreach!!! Support the police without question. Well except for media... and the internet... and for voting... And Trump and a republican senate... And the police protecting one of the most necessarily confidential area in the US.
Brad Parscale wrote
, "If @google bans @parler_app congress should act. It is not right. This is control, nothing more. A business has an option who their customers are, Twitter’s right. However, those who control access to our current technology blocking those who differ from them is wrong!"
How bout you stop using Google, Brad, you fuck.
Holman wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:40 pm
I'm still trying to get my head around cop behavior on Jan 6.
On the one hand, there's footage of cops opening the gate and waving protesters in, but there are also fights at the barricades, and then there's this:
I don't know if the news has changed but on the night of they were reporting different details were behaving differently. At one entrance the police held stead fast at another they were waving 'em and taking pictures with the crowd.
Carpet_pissr wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:24 pm
Also, “tough” has a lot of potential meanings. Personally? Trump was and apparently remains just a bully, but when shit gets real, he’s shown to be quite the pussy on more than one occasion. He told his riot thugs he was going to walk with them. Where was he?
He's demonstrably been a coward for his entire presidency if not his life. Only "Patriot"s look at him hiding in a bunker and waiting until being forced by being called out to half ass speeches that he doesn't believe in after spending a lifetime gaslighting and hiding behind litigation as symbols alpha masculinity.
Oh and fuck Ted Cruz. I don't think that can be said enough. He's trying to throw out my vote and then wants to talk about division. The nerve of that fuck stain. Texas needs to get that stenchy taint locked wipe of smegma under control.
malchior wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pm
The question is how do you deal with 70+M people who think Joe Biden is bringing communism to their lives?
The fact that most of that 70MM can’t even define what communism actually is seems like the larger problem.
One thing about Communism always bothered me: From each according to his ability to each according to his need. So the secret to getting ahead is to be real needy?
The point of communism, true communism is that you don't get ahead. No one does, you get what you need. If you need 5 and I need 4 that's what we get, getting ahead would be if you need 5 and get/take 7, welcome to capitalism.
Of course the fly in the ointment is the State determines ability and need, and through corruption it devolves into Capitalism.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:15 pm
by Enough
Well I see that the republicans in Henry County, Iowa are not pleasant,
"I resigned of my own resolve from chairman of the Republican Party," Hobbs told The Hawk Eye on Friday. He had been chairman for three-and-a-half years. His resignation was effective as of 12:01 a.m. Thursday. "I thought it would be best to distance myself from the party — that way the party can heal."
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:27 pm
by Holman
I just can't my head around the right-wing panic about TEH SOCIALIZMS!!
Surely they've endured a Democratic administration in the past. And they know how laws happen. Do they not understand that the closest a Biden administration--even with narrow control of Congress--could come to achieving "socialism" would be a slightly more robust version of Obamacare?
It's a cartoon at this point. There was literally a (near-)Socialist in the Dem primary, and he was solidly defeated. The idea that Joe Biden has waited decades in government only to now engage his commitment to Maoism is just beyond parody.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:37 pm
by malchior
Holman wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:27 pm
I just can't my head around the right-wing panic about TEH SOCIALIZMS!!
Surely they've endured a Democratic administration in the past. And they know how laws happen. Do they not understand that the closest a Biden administration--even with narrow control of Congress--could come to achieving "socialism" would be a slightly more robust version of Obamacare?
It's a cartoon at this point. There was literally a (near-)Socialist in the Dem primary, and he was solidly defeated. The idea that Joe Biden has waited decades in government only to now engage his commitment to Maoism is just beyond parody.
That's the problem. We can't wrap our head around it because it is an absolute, fact-free alternate universe. And they are angry about it. It just isn't something most of us can understand. It's all grievance and victimhood. The Twitter post in the R&P video thread is a great example of it. They are poisoned.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:10 pm
by malchior
Down with authoritarian tech companies who don't want to be associated with violent insurrection!
NEW from FDNY: “The Department received anonymous allegations that active or retired members were present at the events at the United States Capitol on January 6 and, as required, has provided that information to the FBI.”
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:17 pm
by Skinypupy
Holman wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:27 pm
I just can't my head around the right-wing panic about TEH SOCIALIZMS!!
Surely they've endured a Democratic administration in the past. And they know how laws happen. Do they not understand that the closest a Biden administration--even with narrow control of Congress--could come to achieving "socialism" would be a slightly more robust version of Obamacare?
It's a cartoon at this point. There was literally a (near-)Socialist in the Dem primary, and he was solidly defeated. The idea that Joe Biden has waited decades in government only to now engage his commitment to Maoism is just beyond parody.
The beginning of wisdom is the definition of terms.
“Socialism” is defined in their mind as “any time the poors/minorities get something I don’t think they should get”. Given that definition, their response makes a little more sense (although it’s still blindingly stupid).
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:19 pm
by malchior
One of my friends is a Port Authority cop and was pretty hot about this earlier.
Holman wrote:The idea that Joe Biden has waited decades in government only to now engage his commitment to Maoism is just beyond parody.
They genuinely believe that Biden is being secretly controlled by a secret cabal led by a junior Congresswoman from NY.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:28 pm
by malchior
Skinypupy wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:17 pm“Socialism” is defined in their mind as “any time the poors/minorities get something I don’t think they should get”. Given that definition, their response makes a little more sense (although it’s still blindingly stupid).
And many of them are the poor who would be getting the thing they think the poor shouldn't get.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:23 pm
by Kurth
No need to look for Parler in App Store anymore. Apple nuked it.
Somebody said somewhere that trump is contained. The WH staff and cabinet are no longer listening to him. The 25th is a failsafe if he escapes from the rubber room.
Seriously, it would not surprise me if he melted down when social media locked him out, and they probably took away his TV privileges, too. He probably still gets the gorilla channel, but no more Fox News or Onan Network.
America isn't really safe until trump is behind bars, in exile, or dead. But they can probably sideline him for the next 10 days.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:39 pm
by Jaymann
Zaxxon wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:08 pm
In... in case?
Unfortunately if he reaches for the nuclear football there is no OT.
This really is a huge deal, and possibly effectively a death blow for Parler. Moving off of AWS is likely not to be trivial for them, and that's if they can even find a suitable alternative in under a day.
S3 is just storage. I’m guessing they mean EC2 or something else.
-from the office of pedantic internet fools
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:24 pm
by Zaxxon
hepcat wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:22 pm
S3 is just storage. I’m guessing they mean EC2 or something else.
-from the office of pedantic internet fools
Yeah, that bugged me, too.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:25 pm
by malchior
hepcat wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:22 pm
S3 is just storage. I’m guessing they mean EC2 or something else.
-from the office of pedantic internet fools
Yeah - it could mean a lot of things. It isn't clear what they are doing. In any case, this particular cut has me scratching my head. I've never heard of a TOS violation like this before with AWS.
Edit: As an aside, it will be interesting what happens when he leaves office. He will want to communicate with his cult. In fact, I wonder if he is going to start calling into media programs. I assume the fact that he hasn't means that they truly do have him on lock down. You have to imagine he is jumping out of his skin now.
hepcat wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:22 pm
S3 is just storage. I’m guessing they mean EC2 or something else.
-from the office of pedantic internet fools
Yeah, that bugged me, too.
Well the second post in that thread makes little sense either. AWS security is as good as how it is implemented like pretty much any other service would be. My guess is that Parler *if it returns* might end up on the 8chan stuff or something alt-right/Stormfront adjacent.
hepcat wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:32 pm
It doesn’t surprise me. They have a pretty robust content agreement.
Oh no doubt. We've seen accounts banned before on services. I just can't remember a site being kiboshed like this though. It is certainly notable.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:39 pm
by hepcat
AWS does have a nice suite of network and security tools though. Their VPC setup allows pretty decent granular control. Compared to someone like rackspace it’s miles ahead.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:41 pm
by Zaxxon
I think her point is that it's not likely going to Google or Microsoft, and will likely therefore end up at a host that's a major step down in ancillary services and overall security posture.
And just wait until it does emerge elsewhere, and Comcast/AT&T/VZW/etc decide to stop routing traffic to it. Sure is a shame we don't have net neutrality anymore, eh?
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:43 pm
by hepcat
They should make it a MySpace page.
Maybe they could share the same site as Creed’s blog?
hepcat wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:32 pm
It doesn’t surprise me. They have a pretty robust content agreement.
Oh no doubt. We've seen accounts banned before on services. I just can't remember a site being kiboshed like this though. It is certainly notable.
Can you expand on that? I’m completely ignorant about these things, but curious.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:49 pm
by malchior
hepcat wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:39 pm
AWS does have a nice suite of network and security tools though. Their VPC setup allows pretty decent granular control. Compared to someone like rackspace it’s miles ahead.
This is me just feeling angst when I see broad pronouncements like that thrown around when 95% of the time the platform doesn't matter. The site code is almost always the problem. I wouldn't be exaggerating if the Pen Test people at my last gig blew through web apps for significantly big companies like it simply didn't matter. Rackspace/Amazon/a NAS in a basement it probably doesn't change anything because app developers often don't use the security tools in any way that is effective.
Besides, I've read several assessments of what people have tried and it ain't good. I actively decided that I wasn't going to sign up no matter how much I wanted to watch the shit show.
hepcat wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:32 pm
It doesn’t surprise me. They have a pretty robust content agreement.
Oh no doubt. We've seen accounts banned before on services. I just can't remember a site being kiboshed like this though. It is certainly notable.
Can you expand on that? I’m completely ignorant about these things, but curious.
Individual accounts get canned all the time. I just can't remember a major site or app owner getting kicked off a major cloud platform like this. I'm trying to think of one. I'm wracking my brain. The nearest example might be pre-Cloud - e.g. something like Napster. That said this is a good thing, *we* need these networks to be disrupted so they can't coordinate. The tech companies are essentially acting like the Offensive Ops guys in the NSA when they take down the communications networks of international terrorists. It is fascinating. I was actually thinking earlier tonight how these guys might coordinate. They've been largely cut off from each other. I'll assume some Facebook groups are going to be spun up, emails will still flow, IMs, but large forums are being nuked right now.
