Octopus Overlords

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:49 pm**

hepcat wrote:It boggles my mind that she quite literally feels these are simply facts and thus not racist comments.

I'd wager that the majority of racists don't believe they're racist.

My mother-in-law:

- Would not let my wife's friends in high school come over to her house if they were black, because she was afraid they might steal something.
- Once referred to a mixed-race baby as "it"
- Prefaces every retelling of a conversation with the race of the speaker, even if the race has no bearing on the story. IE: "This black woman in the grocery store said they had those on sale yesterday."
- Is always quick to point out if a black person is "well-spoken" or "dresses nice" with a sense of awe and wonder in her voice.

And she will swear to you up and down there's not a racist bone in her body.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:59 pm**

Is she one of those folks that drop the volume of their voice when they say "black" or any other racial description?

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:32 pm**

$iljanus wrote:Is she one of those folks that drop the volume of their voice when they say "black" or any other racial description?

Yes, but doesn't realize that everyone around her can still hear her.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:42 pm**

YellowKing wrote:
$iljanus wrote:Is she one of those folks that drop the volume of their voice when they say "black" or any other racial description?
Yes, but doesn't realize that everyone around her can still hear her.

And I find it makes the comments more conspicuous when people do that.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:53 pm**

Those Turks know how to do a political fight right!

Female lawmakers brawl in Turkish parliament...

...Punches were thrown shortly after the group encircled the lawmaker, according to Anadolu.
One lawmaker with the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) was hospitalized after she reportedly lost her prosthetic arm in the fracas, Anadolu reported.

The women were up in arms?

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:23 pm**

Pro tip: Don't sit around watching Hurt/Burton "1984" today. Doesn't help.

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:55 pm**

Holman wrote:Pro tip: Don't sit around watching Hurt/Burton "1984" today. Doesn't help.

I'm preparing for the long game by watching Fury Road.

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:02 pm**

I'm working through Man in the High Castle.

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:11 pm**

I was thinking Dr Strangelove

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:24 pm**

Brave New World.

Animal Farm. (The 1999 version has a happy ending. Sort of...)

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:34 pm**

Dead Zone?

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:39 pm**

I'm pretty annoyed to see some on the left applaud this guy punching out a neo-Nazi.

eg,

No. For one thing, the first two were fictional characters attacking a Nazi soldier. The Neo-Nazi wasn't a soldier and wasn't attacking or even threatening anyone. For another thing, respecting Free Speech is as American as apple pie, punching someone for exercising their free speech right is not

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:56 am**

It wasn't a punch, it was an alt-highfive.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:07 am**

Don't you mean an alt-right-cross?

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:08 am**

That's pretty good too.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:38 am**

And he was just saying he wasn't a neo nazi. I have no idea who he was but the guy who punched him proved the point of others views on him. Ive also seen BLM people attack people saying all lives matter. Its like Oy..forehead slap...you are not helping your causes or race.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:59 am**

That wasn't just any old alt-Reicher. It was Richard "Hail Trump!" Spencer himself, founder of the alt-right movement and honorary father of Pepe the Frog.

So he says he isn't a neo-Nazi? Sounds totally legit.

In November, the racism and anti-Semitism of the alt-right movement were on display in Washington when its members gathered to celebrate Trump's victory.

Atlantic magazine, which is recording footage of Spencer for a documentary, published a video of the same event showing audience members apparently giving the Nazi salute.

"Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!" Spencer declared.

His remarks then were filled with racist imagery -- including references to "the black political machines" and Latino housekeepers -- as he bashed Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's minority supporters.

Speaking to CNN on Wednesday, Spencer said his support for Trump had waned.

"I am getting worried that he won't work on really big important issues like immigration," Spencer said. "That he'll get caught up on little things like making fun of people on Twitter."

Spencer denied being a white supremacist in a December 2016 interview with Ganim. But, in that interview he said, "Only white people can support what we call Western civilization." He also has said there should be a "peaceful ethnic cleansing," meaning individuals not of European descent should voluntarily leave the United States.

He seems harmless, as long as you're a white American. I can't see why anyone would want to punch him in his stupid racist face.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:11 am**

Now I have to look up that frog.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:30 am**

Normally I'd agree that punching a dude isn't a great way to send a message. But that assumes that both sides are at least willing to argue in good faith, with the basic ideals that everyone is a human, and deserves equal rights. Richard Spencer doesn't fit the bill because, among other things, be believes blacks and other races are sub-human, and a problem that needs to be exterminated. Sound familiar? Yes, he's got freedom of speech, but his right to not be punched only lasts until he starts sounding exactly like the guys who threw people into ovens.

I'm not saying that the guy doing the punching shouldn't be arrested and prosecuted, because nobody should be above the law. I am saying I hope he ran like hell after.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:41 am**

No matter how racist someone's viewpoint is, you don't resort to violence when they vocalize it. You rise above it with peaceful protestation and thereby prove them wrong. Not becoming a stereotype is the single best way to wipe out stereotypes.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:03 am**

If I was the suspicious type, I'd be wondering what the odds are of some rando lefty popping up, coldcocking alt-Drexler right in the holster and him being able to get back up and carry on with the interview, with his value-added tale of victimhood. Such perfect, almost choreographed, timing. I'd be thinking it was just like a ringside interview on a professional wrestling circuit.

If I was the suspicious type.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:14 am**

You don't sucker punch him, wearing a mask, and then run away.

Regardless of your opinion on how to deal with a racist, it's pretty universal that a cowardly attack doesn't advance the cause.

As for it being false flag, I doubt it. Or at least there's no reason to think that someone not working for Spencer wouldn't be above that action.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:29 am**

Yeah, you're right, people who make disinformation campaigns their bread and butter would never stage a false flag event, even one where nobody was hurt.

Luckily, I'm not the suspicious type.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:33 pm**

The point where violence is the answer comes very, very late. Thank God we're not there yet.

One thing certain, though, is that Spencer and his fascists and a lot of the alt-right are absolutely thrilled to be heading that way. Throwing punches only helps them.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:21 pm**

Holman wrote:The point where violence is the answer comes very, very late. Thank God we're not there yet.

World War 2 ended more than seventy years ago. This is extremely late for a Nazi to be saying "and another thing!"

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:33 pm**

Rep. Mike Rogers (R-AL, not to be confused with Mike Rogers R-MI) introduces a bill for the U.S. to withdraw from United Nations.

In semi-related news, Politico calls Trump a mortal threat to the Western alliance.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:51 pm**

It was absolutely the wrong thing to do. But that cannot eliminate the catharsis.

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:12 pm**

I wonder how many people Trump has hired to live in his world.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:02 pm**

Alefroth wrote:It wasn't a punch, it was an alt-highfive.

My sides!

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:11 pm**

dbt1949 wrote:I wonder how many people Trump has hired to live in his world.

Well, he had his paid lackeys cheer during his CIA speech on Saturday. Isn't this a deliberate attempt to make people think he has the CIA's enthusiastic backing? Members of the CIA are rightfully pissed.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:15 pm**

I keep trying to understand why you would want to pick fights with two entities: the media and the intelligence community, which both have the power to completely make your life hell. I can't think of two entities I'd LESS want to get on their bad side.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:27 pm**

YellowKing wrote:I keep trying to understand why you would want to pick fights with two entities: the media and the intelligence community, which both have the power to completely make your life hell. I can't think of two entities I'd LESS want to get on their bad side.

The point is to further delegitimize the press among his supporters, and to establish Trump and his media outlets as the sole source of the Truth. Beyond his supporters, it's sufficient if the end result in their minds is "Trump says X, his opponents say Not X", because people who aren't paying daily attention to politics probably won't know or especially care which one is true. As long as the "Trump says X" sounds good (Trump is forcing companies to keep jobs here! Trump is draining the swamp!), it probably doesn't matter all that much how laughable it is.

As for the intelligence community, it's hard to say for sure how intentional it is, but if you think that they can't plausibly be won over, it may be worth pre-delegitimizing them too.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:30 pm**

YellowKing wrote:I keep trying to understand why you would want to pick fights with two entities: the media and the intelligence community, which both have the power to completely make your life hell. I can't think of two entities I'd LESS want to get on their bad side.

Fighting with the media consolidates his supporters belief that only he can be trusted. This enables him to do whatever the hell he wants and his supporters will dismiss any media criticism as biased and go along with whatever rationale Trump's team puts forth.

Taking on the CIA, though? I'm not sure about what's going on there. Maybe it's all pretext for him clearing house under the guise of how biased they are against him, and putting in his own stooges that stops any more investigations into him and run things his way.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:53 pm**

DoD subtweeting the new president. Oofta.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:08 pm**

Careful about debating politics: Man bites ear off another man during argument about Trump.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:11 pm**

Enough wrote:Careful about debating politics: Man bites ear off another man during argument about Trump.

I didn't know Tyson and Holyfield signed up for another fight???

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:39 pm**

The disturbing thing for me is that my gut reaction right now isn't how to solve the problems, it is how to defend myself from them. That isn't a healthy response. Luckily it is just a gut reaction, but I know that a lot of other people will be having the same reaction.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:44 pm**

Trump’s press secretary has been fighting with Dippin’ Dots for 5 years

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:53 pm**

Blackhawk wrote:The disturbing thing for me is that my gut reaction right now isn't how to solve the problems, it is how to defend myself from them. That isn't a healthy response. Luckily it is just a gut reaction, but I know that a lot of other people will be having the same reaction.

I'm scared that it isn't solvable. It truly has gone too far (as evidenced in November, as the culmination of the past 8 years).

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:01 pm**

The word nerds at Merriam-Webster are on a roll.

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