Octopus Overlords

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:21 pm I value due process. I do not want anyone to go to jail if they can't be proven to have committed a crime. That doesn't mean that when someone gets off on a technicality I think they are innocent, I just don't want them going to jail. Law and due process are amongst the most important aspects of our society. Being unable to convict doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime, they just can't be convicted of it, as it should be.

With that said, knowing what I know about drumpf's history, I have zero reservations about believing he committed a whole host of crimes. I will talk as if he's guilty because I absolutely believe that he is. If someone were to suggest that we convict him based on my beliefs, I would balk immediately.

But he's guilty. At this point I'm simply waiting and hoping that Meuller can prove it.

Remus West wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:22 pm

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:21 pm I value due process. I do not want anyone to go to jail if they can't be proven to have committed a crime. That doesn't mean that when someone gets off on a technicality I think they are innocent, I just don't want them going to jail. Law and due process are amongst the most important aspects of our society. Being unable to convict doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime, they just can't be convicted of it, as it should be.

With that said, knowing what I know about drumpf's history, I have zero reservations about believing he committed a whole host of crimes. I will talk as if he's guilty because I absolutely believe that he is. If someone were to suggest that we convict him based on my beliefs, I would balk immediately.

But he's guilty. At this point I'm simply waiting and hoping that Meuller can prove it.

Given that he has openly admitted multiple crimes on twitter I don't think you need await much to say he is guilty. He stated that he fired Comey due to the Russia investigation. That alone should have been the end of him. The rest is just more dirt I hope gets thrown on his grave. Along with my spit.

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:56 pm

Rip wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:49 pm

Remus West wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:22 pm

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:21 pm I value due process. I do not want anyone to go to jail if they can't be proven to have committed a crime. That doesn't mean that when someone gets off on a technicality I think they are innocent, I just don't want them going to jail. Law and due process are amongst the most important aspects of our society. Being unable to convict doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime, they just can't be convicted of it, as it should be.

With that said, knowing what I know about drumpf's history, I have zero reservations about believing he committed a whole host of crimes. I will talk as if he's guilty because I absolutely believe that he is. If someone were to suggest that we convict him based on my beliefs, I would balk immediately.

But he's guilty. At this point I'm simply waiting and hoping that Meuller can prove it.

Given that he has openly admitted multiple crimes on twitter I don't think you need await much to say he is guilty. He stated that he fired Comey due to the Russia investigation. That alone should have been the end of him. The rest is just more dirt I hope gets thrown on his grave. Along with my spit.

Not even close to that simple, or open and closed. Even the lefty rag NYT acknowledges as much.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/us/p ... e-fbi.html

Some pretty good lawyers lay out the difficulty of actually proving the statutory requirements of such a charge.

He may well be guilty of the political definition while still not meeting the legal definition.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/ ... he-concept

But courts have ruled that otherwise lawful acts can constitute obstruction of justice if done with corrupt intentions.

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:31 pm Maybe, but I seriously doubt Mueller is putting pressure on him to change his politics.

Honestly, I have no idea what his game plan is here. Is he trying to garner favour in the public arena? To what purpose?

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:57 pm If we assume the signalling is not a likely explanation, I'm still waiting for a reason for him to distance himself so publically from the RNC et al.

Holman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:55 pm

GreenGoo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:31 pm Maybe, but I seriously doubt Mueller is putting pressure on him to change his politics.

Honestly, I have no idea what his game plan is here. Is he trying to garner favour in the public arena? To what purpose?

He's signalling to POTUS: "I'm desperate! Pardon me or fire Mueller before my lawyer bills destroy me!"

Trump can do neither, so he'll flip within days if he hasn't already.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:59 pm ABC Chyron Accidentally Says that Manafort Plead Guilty to Five Counts of Manslaughter.

OOPS!

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:07 pm Michael Cohen resigns from RNC post and blasts child separation policy. He done flipped.

hepcat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:38 am There’s zero chance that Cohen doesn’t have dirt on Trump.

There’s also zero chance any of it would bother Trumpies.

hepcat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:42 pm I will say that my fingers are crossed that Cohen has a copy of the pee tape. While it would just cause Trumpies to suddenly become devotees of the golden shower, it would make Washington just that much more uncomfortable.

Fitzy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:06 pm

hepcat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:42 pm I will say that my fingers are crossed that Cohen has a copy of the pee tape. While it would just cause Trumpies to suddenly become devotees of the golden shower, it would make Washington just that much more uncomfortable.

Washington more uncomfortable. America more kinky. Win win.

Archinerd wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:20 pm More kinky?
I'm pretty sure this guy has been out in public with a butt plug for at least 2 years.

Comedian Tom Arnold said Friday that he and President Trump’s former longtime personal lawyer are teaming up to “take down” the president.

Arnold tweeted a photo with Michael Cohen on Thursday with the caption "I Love New York," which Cohen retweeted without comment.

Arnold then told NBC News that he met with Cohen as part of a show he is working on for Vice, in which he searches for incriminating videos of the president.

"This dude has all the tapes — this dude has everything,” Arnold told NBC News. "I say to Michael, 'Guess what? We’re taking Trump down together,’ and he’s so tired he’s like, 'OK,' and his wife is like, 'OK, f--- Trump.’”

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:03 am What fresh hell is this? Tom Arnold teaming up with Michael Cohen to take down Trump.

Comedian Tom Arnold said Friday that he and President Trump’s former longtime personal lawyer are teaming up to “take down” the president.

Arnold tweeted a photo with Michael Cohen on Thursday with the caption "I Love New York," which Cohen retweeted without comment.

Arnold then told NBC News that he met with Cohen as part of a show he is working on for Vice, in which he searches for incriminating videos of the president.

"This dude has all the tapes — this dude has everything,” Arnold told NBC News. "I say to Michael, 'Guess what? We’re taking Trump down together,’ and he’s so tired he’s like, 'OK,' and his wife is like, 'OK, f--- Trump.’”

Man, I'm just out...the plotline for this season is entirely too bizarre for me.

Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:49 am Right, but what's up with Cohen.... seems like he'd like to keep the pardon thing alive?

Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:49 am Right, but what's up with Cohen.... seems like he'd like to keep the pardon thing alive?

El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:51 am Also could just be Tom Arnold bullshitting.

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:04 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:51 am Also could just be Tom Arnold bullshitting.

The most likely scenario, IMO.

We're actually talking about Tom Arnold, which is what he wants. I mean, when was the last time that happened?

ABC News has since learned that Mueller is also reviewing Prince’s communications, a sign that Mueller could try to squeeze Prince, as he has others, probing potential inconsistencies in his sworn testimony in an attempt to pressure him to turn into a witness against other targets of the investigation. In response to questions from ABC News, a spokesperson for Prince released a statement noting that Prince has provided Mueller with “total access to his phone and computer.”

“As Mr. Prince told the Daily Beast he has spoken voluntarily with Congress and also cooperated completely with the Special Counsel’s investigation, including by providing them total access to his phones and computer,” the spokesperson said. “Mr. Prince has a lot of opinions about the various investigations, but there is no question that they are important and serious, and so Mr. Prince will keep his opinions to himself for now and to let the investigators do their work. All we will add is that much of the reporting and speculation about Mr. Prince in the media is inaccurate, and we are confident that when the investigators have finished their work, we will be able to put these distractions to the side.”

A spokesperson for the special counsel did not respond to a request for comment.

Holman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:17 am The Hill (sorry no link--writing on phone) has reported that Mueller is now "accelerating" the collusion phase of the probe. They suggest a target of this Fall rather than next year for significant charges in that phase of the investigation. This could explain Trump's full-on conpiracy tweets this morning.

Special counsel Robert Mueller will focus on allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in the coming months, Bloomberg reported Tuesday.

A person familiar with the investigation told Bloomberg that Mueller’s team is looking to wrap up the portion of the probe focused on collusion by the fall, and hand down any possible collusion-related charges in that time frame.

Skinypupy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:23 am

A person familiar with the investigation told Bloomberg that Mueller’s team is looking to wrap up the portion of the probe focused on collusion by the fall, and hand down any possible collusion-related charges in that time frame.

As vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Virginia Democrat Mark Warner is in a position to know what, if anything, special counsel Robert Mueller has found during the course of his investigation into President Trump’s possible ties to Russia.

So Warner may not have been joking when, according to Politico, he made a joke about the Mueller probe at a Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee event on Martha’s Vineyard over the weekend.

“If you get me one more glass of wine, I’ll tell you stuff only Bob Mueller and I know,” Warner reportedly told the 100 or so guests. “If you think you’ve seen wild stuff so far, buckle up. It’s going to be a wild couple of months.”

A federal judge in Virginia rejected a bid by President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, to throw out charges in the special counsel’s Russia investigation, clearing the way for a much-anticipated trial to start as scheduled next month.

The decision Tuesday by U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III was a setback for Manafort in his defense against tax and bank fraud charges brought by special counsel Robert Mueller.

It also deals a blow to a favored talking point of Trump and his legal team as they continue to attack Mueller’s investigation. The president had applauded Ellis for his skeptical comments and pointed questioning during a hearing in which he asked Mueller’s team whether they brought the case to get Manafort to testify against Trump.

Trump had even read some of Ellis’ quotes aloud during a National Rifle Association rally, and as late as early June, Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani had built up suspense around the ruling, saying the judge was taking weeks to craft an opinion because “there’s a real problem” with Mueller’s appointment.

But in a 31-page ruling, Ellis rejected the argument of Manafort’s attorneys that Mueller had exceeded his authority by bringing charges unrelated to Russian election interference. He said that Mueller’s appointment as special counsel was lawful and that he was within his authority to investigate Manafort and file charges against him.

Yet he also expressed wariness about an excessively powerful special counsel, saying, “The appointment of special prosecutors has the potential to disrupt these checks and balances, and to inject a level of toxic partisanship into investigation of matters of public importance.

“This case is a reminder that ultimately, our system of checks and balances and limitations on each branch’s powers, although exquisitely designed, ultimately works only if people of virtue, sensitivity, and courage, not affected by the winds of public opinion, choose to work within the confines of the law,” he added.

“This case is a reminder that ultimately, our system of checks and balances and limitations on each branch’s powers, although exquisitely designed, ultimately works only if people of virtue, sensitivity, and courage, not affected by the winds of public opinion, choose to work within the confines of the law,” he added.