NY vs. Trump - Hush Money Trial

[em2nought]

em2 - seriously, you exist only to try and cause problems.

It makes me wish we still had a CoC.

I try to solve more problems than I create if you'd payed attention to those threads. What's a CoC?

[Scraper]

em2 - seriously, you exist only to try and cause problems.

It makes me wish we still had a CoC.

I try to solve more problems than I create if you'd payed attention to those threads. What's a CoC?

Normally a CoC is to protect shit posters like you so they don't get their feelings hurt when people call them out for being shit posters. But this board has become much more tolerant to shit posting over the years and you tend to get ignored by most for the constant shit posting.

[hepcat]

em2 - seriously, you exist only to try and cause problems.

It makes me wish we still had a CoC.

I try to solve more problems than I create if you'd payed attention to those threads.

In R&P, your sole reason for existence is posting fake shit and then running away when people show you proof you're lying.

[LawBeefaroni]

As I understand it based on the BlueSky posts of a former NY prosecutor and practicing defense lawyer of some 30 years, he "officially" becomes a convicted felon upon the entering of the sentence. Until then, while he has been convicted by a jury, he's not officially a convicted felon for government purposes. If he were to die before sentencing, he would not formally be a convicted felon.

I'm fine if he does not formally become a convicted felon.

[LordMortis]

[Carpet_pissr]

As I understand it based on the BlueSky posts of a former NY prosecutor and practicing defense lawyer of some 30 years, he "officially" becomes a convicted felon upon the entering of the sentence. Until then, while he has been convicted by a jury, he's not officially a convicted felon for government purposes. If he were to die before sentencing, he would not formally be a convicted felon.

I'm fine if he does not formally become a convicted felon.

Come on, just say it!

[Unagi]

I would quite happily "never hear the end of Epstien-like conspiracies" if he happened to hang himself or get maga-shanked in prison.

[Jaymann]

I would quite happily "never hear the end of Epstien-like conspiracies" if he happened to hang himself or get maga-shanked in prison.

I hear those inside trader goons at Club Fed can be quite vicious.

[Unagi]

I'm picturing more The Crimson Permanent Assurance

[Blackhawk]

I would quite happily "never hear the end of Epstien-like conspiracies" if he happened to hang himself or get maga-shanked in prison.

I'm not bothered by that particular price for him going away. I'd be more bothered by the violence that would result.

[Smoove_B]

I'm at the point where I cannot make decisions or support decisions based on whether or not I think the MAGA crowd is going to get violent - because the truth is, no matter what, they want it. If something bad happens to him? Get violent. Something they don't like? Get violent. Things are going great and they just want to show their support for whatever awful things he's saying? Get violent.

About the only thing that needs to change, imho is how we respond to their violence and threats of violence.

[Carpet_pissr]

It's high time we monetize their rage and stage some public MAGA fights. Kinda like bum fights, but with stereotypical angry Karens like MTG vs say a Tucker Carlson type or the ones with real anger issues like Alex Jones.

Think how satisfying that would be to watch! Hell, forget the money part of it, think of the "public good" aspect. It would be like placating Romans of old with gladiator fights.

[YellowKing]

Yeah the only thing that works on these people is the judicial system. So if they want to get violent, lock their ass up. It's sad society is going to have to suffer the temper tantrums of these toddlers but appeasing them is not an option.

[Unagi]

I'm at the point where I cannot make decisions or support decisions based on whether or not I think the MAGA crowd is going to get violent - because the truth is, no matter what, they want it. If something bad happens to him? Get violent. Something they don't like? Get violent. Things are going great and they just want to show their support for whatever awful things he's saying? Get violent.

About the only thing that needs to change, imho is how we respond to their violence and threats of violence.

So, so, so much - this.

[waitingtoconnect]

It's high time we monetize their rage and stage some public MAGA fights. Kinda like bum fights, but with stereotypical angry Karens like MTG vs say a Tucker Carlson type or the ones with real anger issues like Alex Jones.

Think how satisfying that would be to watch! Hell, forget the money part of it, think of the "public good" aspect. It would be like placating Romans of old with gladiator fights.

We used to have that it was called the Jerry springer show.

[Jaymon]

Yeah the only thing that works on these people is the judicial system. So if they want to get violent, lock their ass up. It's sad society is going to have to suffer the temper tantrums of these toddlers but appeasing them is not an option.

Agreed.

But our struggle is that in many states, the ones who are supposed to be doing the "lock their ass up" are instead appeasing them, or are , in fact, them.

[Isgrimnur]

Trump gag order appeal dismissed by New York’s top court

New York’s highest court on Tuesday dismissed former President Donald Trump’s appeal of the gag order in his criminal hush money trial.

The New York Court of Appeals in a brief decision declined to hear Trump’s bid “upon the ground that no substantial constitutional question is directly involved.”

The decision means Trump’s gag order, which bars him from speaking about jurors, witnesses and other parties involved in the Manhattan Supreme Court case, remains in effect.

Trump’s attorneys have also asked Judge Juan Merchan, who presided over the trial, to terminate the gag order because the trial is over.

The Manhattan District Attorney’s office, however, urged Merchan to keep the restrictions in place, at least until after a sentencing hearing is held and certain post-trial motions are resolved.

[Carpet_pissr]

HA!

[Unagi]

Yeah, that's awesome - First I've seen that meme used against Trump. But I'm not well traveled.

[Isgrimnur]

Judge alters Trump’s gag order, letting him talk about witnesses, jury after hush money conviction

A Manhattan judge on Tuesday modified Donald Trump’s gag order, freeing the former president to comment publicly about witnesses and jurors in the hush money criminal trial that led to his felony conviction, but keeping others connected to the former president’s case off limits until he is sentenced July 11.

Judge Juan M. Merchan’s decision — just days before Trump’s debate Thursday with President Joe Biden — clears the presumptive Republican nominee to again go on the attack against his former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen, porn actor Stormy Daniels and other witnesses.
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In a five-page ruling Tuesday, Merchan wrote that the gag order was meant to “protect the integrity of the judicial proceedings” and that protections for witnesses and jurors no longer applied now that the trial has ended and the jury has been discharged.
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Merchan said it had been his “strong preference” to continue barring Trump from commenting about jurors, whose names have not been made public, but that he couldn’t justify doing so. The judge did leave in place a separate order that prohibits Trump and his lawyers from disclosing the identities of individual jurors or their home or work addresses. Trump lawyer Todd Blanche said after the verdict the defense team has destroyed that information.

[Unagi]

If you can protect the judge and staff, I think you should still be "justified" in protecting the jurors.


Also, what's that last line about the defense destroying that information?
1) good for them, probably wise - but I can't imagine the defense had access to the sole copy of that information
2) was Trump's lawyer upset about that, or just saying "relax, we couldn't dox the jury even if we wanted to.... and we do"

[Pyperkub]

Yeah, not protecting the jurors who haven't said anything publicly outside the Courtroom is stupid and dangerous.

If they went up in front of a microphone outside the Courtroom ? I'm more OK with that being fair game. .

[RunningMn9]

If TF(convicted felon)G somehow gets re-elected, will they have to change the call sign of the jet to Con-Air One?

That’s a good one.

[Isgrimnur]

Judge in Trump's hush money trial delays sentencing following Supreme Court immunity ruling

The judge overseeing Donald Trump's New York criminal trial on Tuesday approved a delay of the former president's sentencing after his lawyers asked for more time to argue the Supreme Court's immunity decision's calls for a new trial.

The sentencing hearing, previously scheduled for July 11, will now take place on September 18, at the earliest, according to a letter posted on the court's docket.

The delay guarantees Trump will not be sentenced until after he is formally nominated for president at the Republican National Convention, which begins July 15, and sentencing will happen less than two months before the presidential election.

Trump's team moved quickly to leverage the Supreme Court's ruling on Monday, sending a letter to Merchan asking to brief him on how it impacts his felony conviction on 34 counts of falsified business records. In a letter Tuesday, prosecutors said they were not opposed to delaying the sentencing hearing, though they signaled they believe the effort to toss the verdict is "without merit."

[YellowKing]

Anybody want to place bets that sentencing is pushed even further until after the election? This guy truly is Teflon Don.

[Zarathud]

Business records are not official Presidential acts.
Payments prior to being elected are not official Presidential acts.
Sleeping with a porn star is not a Presidential act.
Covering it up during a campaign is not a Presidential act.
This is a matter of addressing this fact at the trial level rather than on appeal.

I would expect a sanction on Trump’s attorneys for making those arguments, but Trump doesn’t have terribly smart counsel working for him.

[Blackhawk]

It's irrelevant whether it could be an official act as President, because 100% of what he was accused of took place before he was ever President.

The angle they're going for, from what I saw earlier, is that some of the evidence was from when he was in office, and they want to call it inadmissible. It's likely just a stall on part of Trump's legal team, hoping to push any sentence until after the election (if so, they failed.) Or maybe they're hoping to try to start establishing precedent on how far the new ruling goes, or maybe even set up something that they can appeal to the SC level.

I have no idea - we've left reason and established ways long behind. We've moved on to the Chewbacca defense, and nobody is quite sure what the hell it means.

[Zarathud]

They’re digging for inadmissible evidence forcing a new trial. Basically the technical due process violations.

They should have objections on record. I have been swamped at work and haven’t been able to follow the evidence introduced, but the charges are sound.

[Zaxxon]

It's irrelevant whether it could be an official act as President, because 100% of what he was accused of took place before he was ever President.

The angle they're going for, from what I saw earlier, is that some of the evidence was from when he was in office, and they want to call it inadmissible. It's likely just a stall on part of Trump's legal team, hoping to push any sentence until after the election (if so, they failed.) Or maybe they're hoping to try to start establishing precedent on how far the new ruling goes, or maybe even set up something that they can appeal to the SC level.

I have no idea - we've left reason and established ways long behind. We've moved on to the Chewbacca defense, and nobody is quite sure what the hell it means.

If you believe Mr. Fed, every trial against Trump is effectively over; it’s just gonna take a long time to play out.

[Unagi]

dressing as all fuck

[Isgrimnur]

Supreme Court rejects Missouri’s request to block Trump’s New York gag order, sentencing

The Supreme Court on Monday turned down a plea from Missouri to block New York from imposing a gag order and sentencing former President Donald Trump in his criminal proceedings there until after the 2024 elections.
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In a brief unsigned order without any explanation, the justices rejected a long-shot bid by Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey to file a lawsuit against New York directly in the Supreme Court.

[Punisher]

I thought his sentencing was already postponed anyway?

[Isgrimnur]

The sentencing hearing, previously scheduled for July 11, will now take place on September 18, at the earliest, according to a letter posted on the court's docket.

[Alefroth]

Does anyone know if Merchan has entered a judgement on the jury verdict yet?

[Isgrimnur]

Judge delays Donald Trump’s sentencing in hush money case until after November election

Manhattan Judge Juan M. Merchan, who is also weighing a defense request to overturn the verdict on immunity grounds, delayed Trump’s sentencing until Nov. 26, three weeks after the final votes are cast in the presidential election.
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Merchan wrote that he was postponing the sentencing “to avoid any appearance — however unwarranted — that the proceeding has been affected by or seeks to affect the approaching presidential election in which the Defendant is a candidate.”

I quote Deadpool:

FUCK!

[TheMix]

“to avoid any appearance — however unwarranted — that the proceeding has been affected by or seeks to affect the approaching presidential election..."

Uh. You just did....

[Roman]

I strongly suspect that he's off to jail on this one AND as unpalatable as it appears this is the right decision to delay based on the judge knowing that he needs to send him down. Doing so now will only make things worse for you guys down there with all the partisan BS etc etc.

Think about it this way - IF the judge wasn't going to sentence him today he WOULD have simply said so because it would NOT impact the election cycle OTHER than to enrage the DEMS.

[Smoove_B]

If he wins the election, the sentencing doesn't matter anymore.

When he loses the election, he can't use the pending election as an excuse to appeal the sentencing (again) or delay it further. And yes, a jail sentence after losing the election would be *chef's kiss*.

[Skinypupy]

As frustrating as it is to have yet another delay, I’m mostly ok with this.

Regardless of how light the sentence, Trump would have used it to endlessly and loudly prop himself up as a persecuted martyr. And his lawyers would have launched a thousand new (baseless) lawsuits about how sentencing him is “election interference”. This delay takes all those tactics off the table.

If he loses, he’s still gonna get sentenced anyways, so a couple months doesn’t make much difference.

[Unagi]

I think this likely helps justice. Oddly.