Blood Sucking Freaks Redux. Fin.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:35 am

Newcastle wrote:you know the funny thing for me, is each time i start to reread this thread I think of new variations. I have shortlist of people who I do suspect and those whom i dont. Of course this si my own two cents, this is my own thinking and methodology, and how i have come to "feel the game" right now. I would urge each of you to form your own opinions and analysis.

I stop doing lists of trusted, not sure, etc simply because I simply do not trust anyone unless for a good reason. Right now it's Genghis but not 100%.

Austin and Bakhtosh on your trusted list?

I've been in games where I would have sworn they were human only to find out at the end of the game they have been a very crafty and manipulative bad guy. Sorry, they will not be on my trusted list. My list of suspects includes everyone with Genghis at the bottom right now.

Some patterns.
Newcastle has posted less in games he was a bad guy than in this game.
Chaosraven posts a little more when he is a bad guy.
PR-GMR acts the same way in each game. Can't recall him ever being a bad guy.
kraegor is acting the same which often gets him lynched and he turns out innocent. No songs this time around though.

I'm not sure who I want to vote for at the moment.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:39 am

Kraegor wrote:
Austin wrote:
To Lassr"neither. irrelevant tangent."
by all means tell me...how often does this topic come up....EVERY GAME perhaps? How many times has it been relevant?

Not many, that was my joke. It is always brought up so I took the initiative and brought it up this time to beat someone else to the punch...line.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:51 am

Kraegor wrote: 3) Bahktosh again moves to lynch via a wagon based on posting he finds "suspicious" when the posts contain NOTHING.

"NOTHING" is exactly why I voted the way I did. I asked no one to follow me. Since then, pr0ner has actually participated more. That is a mission accomplished. I'm still not comfortable with him deciding to jump in (after nearly 14 full days of silence) only after garnering 3 votes.

While I'm on that topic, your hypocritical rants really stink. Newcastle, at the time of your rant) was sitting at 4 votes, one of them yours, while you're railing at those who attempt to "bandwagon" someone else. Give me a break.

And lastly, unless you are the seer, there is no way for a villager to find the vampires except "to lynch via a wagon based on posting he finds 'suspicious'". If you know of another way, please enlighten us.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:54 am

honesty the main reason I wanted to supply my thinking is that i nthe last few games, i have had a shortened life expectancy, hence I have a feel of racing against time before my life is snuffed out, so hence am tryin to give the village all of my thoughts. I might be right, I might be wrong and live a long and fruitful life (which I hope). But I dont want to be gone one night, and having wanted to post one last thing that had been bouncing around in my brain.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:57 am

Bahktosh wrote:While I'm on that topic, your hypocritical rants really stink. Newcastle, at the time of your rant) was sitting at 4 votes, one of them yours, while you're railing at those who attempt to "bandwagon" someone else. Give me a break

Yeah, it's terrifying how successful my wagons are.

There is hypocracy in my posting, without doubt.
Intriguing how this dead thread is suddenly hopping.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:59 am

Kraegor:
We simply disagree. You think that getting silent people to participate on Day 2 is a bad move as there is a chance of outing a special. I think that allowing silence gives vampires a place to hide. You also want to skim over the parts where I say I am not trying to get the quiets lynched, nor am I trying to get a quiet to the point where he must out himself if special. I just am trying to remove a shadow where the vampires can hide. Your refusal to acknowledge that gives me pause.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:01 am

I know. My forcing a debate is a terrible thing.

It's easier to illuminate a point when forcing a stark contrast. Were I to follow the gray path nothing would stand out, yes?

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:02 am

Kraegor wrote: Intriguing how this dead thread is suddenly hopping.

The thread seems to be more active in the morning and less so in the afternoon.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:10 am

Kraegor wrote:I know. My forcing a debate is a terrible thing.

It's easier to illuminate a point when forcing a stark contrast. Were I to follow the gray path nothing would stand out, yes?

So... do you, or do you not agree with trying to get the silent people to speak on Day 2? I'd like to know.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:14 am

Austin wrote:
Kraegor wrote:I know. My forcing a debate is a terrible thing.

It's easier to illuminate a point when forcing a stark contrast. Were I to follow the gray path nothing would stand out, yes?
So... do you, or do you not agree with trying to get the silent people to speak on Day 2? I'd like to know.

/shrug. I'm not opposed.

But much like poking a passed out drunk in morning...sure they'll moan a bit and perhaps drool on the bed...but they'll fall back asleep when you go away...unless of course they are just THAT drunk and puke on the sheets or something....

And generally...the one that panic from a prodding...are usually
a) new.
b) having a bad day.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:26 am

Kraegor wrote:
But much like poking a passed out drunk in morning...sure they'll moan a bit and perhaps drool on the bed...but they'll fall back asleep when you go away...unless of course they are just THAT drunk and puke on the sheets or something....

Okay, that's funny, I'll grant you that.

And generally...the one that panic from a prodding...are usually
a) new.
b) having a bad day.

This I'm not convinced of but I don't have anything to back it up either way.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:53 am

Austin wrote:I always, in every game, play fast and loose with the names/titles of special roles. Go check. Interesting that you choose to point out my lack of using proper terms for the seer/mage, but say "Austin remembers there's a Vampire that can scan". I think you're smart enough to realize that I know that there is a good guy that can scan too. You are taking two separate items and linking them together to cast guilt on me. But you don't make those types of mistakes, or do you?

You claim I am linking these things together.

I went through the pages and wrote notes. In areas where I found things that suggested to me someone was either (A)powered (B)unpowered I made a note. In areas that had a question that suggested to me someone really did not know the rules they could be (C)faking ignorance (D)legitimate and therefore NOT a part of whichever role they were discussing.

As I stated in my post, I infer from what has been posted the deductions.
Could someone have been Feigning Ignorance? Yes. Do people sometimes Fake Powers/Roles? Yes.

Do I claim any actual proof of anything I posted? No. I gave the benefit of the doubt and chose D over C. I crossed roles off the matrix based on B.

After Remus died, I noted those who discussed the "possible link" to me.
But do I find it more ominous that there is such a lack of discussion or that there are those who casually discard the possibility that it may indeed be part of my petty revenge for the times he has killed me?

As to Lassr noting that I post more as a Bad Guy, how does one compare 200 useless posts to 175 unread deductions? Or is it an attempt to keep my responses low?

Newcastle: I do not fear discussion. Even that which swirls around my own guilt or death.

I hoped to provoke responses.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:01 pm

Chaosraven wrote: As to Lassr noting that I post more as a Bad Guy, how does one compare 200 useless posts to 175 unread deductions? Or is it an attempt to keep my responses low?

Looking back I do remember in my BSG game you didn't post much and you were a bad guy so my comment on that is irrelevant now.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:43 pm

Can someone post a list of current votes, and who voted for who? I definitely don't have time to sort through the thread to find that all out.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:50 pm

I'm not 100% sure but my tally shows,

PR_GMR voting for Pr0ner
Bakhtosh voting for Pr0ner
Kraegor voting for Newcastle
Pr0ner voting for Newcastle
Newcastle voting for PR_GMR
Triggercut voting for FTWalker

These are just in the order I came across the votes as I jotted down voters. Don't read anything into the order is all.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:55 pm

I thought FTWalker had a lot more than that; did almost everyone withdraw their vote for him?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:58 pm

pr0ner wrote:I thought FTWalker had a lot more than that; did almost everyone withdraw their vote for him?

He had Lassr, myself and Newcastle voting for him. Most people withdrew when he chimed in.

FTWalker · Post by **FTWalker** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:43 pm

Newcastle wrote: Needs help in RL - FTwalker - enough said, in effect not going to have much of an impact ont his game during this part.

You got that right, Bub! (but only if you're not talking about the guys with butterfly nets - I may need them after this weekend, though

)
<Unintelligible muttering about Lightscribe, printer cartridges, and a wife's perfect timing to go out-of-town

>

No vote from me yet, but I'm leaning toward Pr0ner or PR_GMR. (Nothing concrete - just a feeling.)

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:55 pm

I'm going with Newcastle. After reading over all the posts several more times that's the best guess I have right now. And I can't pinpoint one thing that sets me off about him other than some of his posts have a lot of info but it feels as if the info is there just to cover his tracks.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:01 pm

See..

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:09 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:See..

what? It's not like I'm claiming personal saint hood. I'm trying to make you self-conscious - paranoid.

Is it working?

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:19 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
Kraegor wrote: Intriguing how this dead thread is suddenly hopping.
The thread seems to be more active in the morning and less so in the afternoon.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:43 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:
Bakhtosh wrote:
Kraegor wrote: Intriguing how this dead thread is suddenly hopping.
The thread seems to be more active in the morning and less so in the afternoon.

Actually I was going to quote you and say, "OMG Bakhtosh is The Prophet!

". But I forgot.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:50 pm

My gut says Newcastle is not a vampire. I can't think of a better choice right now though.

A) We had his ultra quick push on Genghis after he came out and before people had a chance to retract.

B) His sort of odd backing down off Genghis, but not really.

C) He is playing too nice with me. I feel like he's trying to pull me to his side sort of... it makes me nervous.

D) Chaos likes him.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:10 pm

Austin wrote:My gut says Newcastle is not a vampire. I can't think of a better choice right now though.

A) We had his ultra quick push on Genghis after he came out and before people had a chance to retract.

B) His sort of odd backing down off Genghis, but not really.

C) He is playing too nice with me. I feel like he's trying to pull me to his side sort of... it makes me nervous.

D) Chaos likes him.

Ummm... gut says NOT a vampire? But you're voting for him?

A) Nothing says Genghis isn't a Vampire that knows the Medium was converted.

B) plenty of other odd things have happened.

C) But whose side are you on right now?

D) Yer just mad cuz I don't like you right now.

But I'll follow your lead, fangboy

NEWCASTLE

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:21 pm

Chaosraven wrote: Ummm... gut says NOT a vampire? But you're voting for him?

Yup. I"ve noticed my gut is crappy at hitting vampires.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:25 pm

Austin wrote:
Chaosraven wrote: Ummm... gut says NOT a vampire? But you're voting for him?

Yup. I"ve noticed my gut is crappy at hitting vampires.

Aha.

Kind of like "if Chaosraven just posted fifty times with evidence about a player, vote for someone else. Or vote for Chaosraving"

Got it.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:44 pm

well, i guess am close to death, and not much more to say really.

Last tid bit i have for ya...not all vamps must lynch ont he same target. Keep that in mind.

Good luck guys, hope you get em. Am saddened to go, but meh, them's the breaks. I am innocent guys, i will remind you of that. But you have heard that song and dance. You will know soon enough.

Austin - I find it amusing that your gut says no, yet you decide to vote me down. Ah well, them's the breaks. Good luck guys. And no, i refuse to vote for myself. I am tempted so you dont agonize over a long time. But, i think it's only fair for the village to see who shall stake whom. That way hopefully this will give you another line of analysis, but also, it will clear from your mind my voting on Genghis on the first day. With that out of your mind, i am hoping it will provide some clarity and allow you to see mroe clearly.

Good luck all.

/wave

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:49 pm

though i must say, i hadnt expected to be lynched, the pitfalls of actin as i have.

Anyway, i hope you do realize the genghis vote.

1. It would be foolhardy for a vamp to try to take out a declared special in my way.

2. My re-vote was based on his "gaffe" of "i didn't know that i was the medium when i posted, reminding Ralph to PM everyone".

I dont want to beat a dead horse, but my innocent blood that shall soon spill will clear my name. I have no fear. I walk in the light.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:45 am

*paging Ralph-Wiggum*

I believe i just hit critical mass. My apologies didnt realize it that I went over the edge with CR's post.

Genghis
Proner
Kraegor
Lassr
Austin
ChaosRaven

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:01 am

It didn't take long (comparitively) before the crowd decided that Newcastle was their best choice for staking. Amid protests, he was dragged to the stage. With little fanfare, two villagers held him down while another drove a stake through Newcastle's heart.

After the twitching stopped, all eyes focused on Newcastle's corpse. But nothing happened. Newcastle was not a vampire.

It is Night.

Those that need to send me PMs can send me PMs.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:27 am

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:36 am

Lays to rest another suspicious character but still no vampire.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:55 am

Poor Newcastle. Alas, I hardly knew the lad. I didn't suspect him much of being a vampire, but the village thought otherwise. Let's see what this jolly good night brings.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:23 am

Bakhtosh wrote:
Bakhtosh wrote:
Kraegor wrote: Intriguing how this dead thread is suddenly hopping.
The thread seems to be more active in the morning and less so in the afternoon.

and here i thought u were pointing out the "nothing much" part of lassr's suspicion.

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:29 am

PR_GMR wrote:Poor Newcastle. Alas, I hardly knew the lad. I didn't suspect him much of being a vampire, but the village thought otherwise. Let's see what this jolly good night brings.

???
Enjoying feasting on the blood of others at night?

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:41 pm

Like every day before it, the villagers gathered in the town square. And, like yesterday, one person was conspiciously absent.

The scene at his house was similar to that seen at Remus' the day before. It looked like there had been a bit of a struggle, but the outcome was the same - a lifeless corpse devoid of blood. Genghis had been killed.

The villagers stumbled back to the town square. Things were getting desperate; they needed to find a vampire quickly.

It is Day.

The majority is 5.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:46 pm

And there goes the Medium.

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:58 pm

PR_GMR wrote:And there goes the Medium.

And there goes the Orinoco rule...

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:33 pm

FTWalker wrote:
Newcastle wrote: Needs help in RL - FTwalker - enough said, in effect not going to have much of an impact ont his game during this part.
You got that right, Bub! (but only if you're not talking about the guys with butterfly nets - I may need them after this weekend, though )
<Unintelligible muttering about Lightscribe, printer cartridges, and a wife's perfect timing to go out-of-town >

No vote from me yet, but I'm leaning toward Pr0ner or PR_GMR. (Nothing concrete - just a feeling.)

FTWalker, when can we expect your work load to calm down? Would be nice to hear your thoughts. I'll hold off my vote for now, but I really hope you're back with us soon.

PR_GMR's bookend posts of the Genghis kill worry me, but I get the impression that PR_GMR acts more suspicious when he's unpowered...almost like he doesn't mind getting votes as long as he's pulling votes away from the powered villagers.

Triggercut comes and goes (I know he works difficult hours), but he does make some pretty good posts when he's able. There's just something there that makes me want him scanned.

Chaos seems to be under the radar in this game. That's a little disconcerting, but I'm not really getting a strong vamp vibe from him (probably reason enough to vote for him).

Austin's behavior isn't quite "normal" for him, but I haven't seen anything that really makes me want to vote for him.

pr0ner and kraegor strike me as the twins. Kraegor riding to his rescue yesterday was almost blatent, and since they have very little power anyway, I don't see any problem stating my suspicion. I still want pr0ner to participate more...it's possible Kraegor was being honest and was just trying to strike up discussion yesterday (although I see his much vaunted "record" got a little worse with yesterday's lynching).

Lassr aka: Chaosraven Jr. He's just not on my radar much in this game...seems to be keeping a low profile while still managing to participate.

Did I miss anyone? Me? I'm innocent & unpowered. I'm looking at the vamp kills (and lack thereof) and trying to figure out what's going on. I think it's quite safe to assume there are 3 vamps, and that our trusty Garlic DISPENSER (happy CR?) missed on night 1.

The 3 who are being really graceful in their play style are Chaosraven, Austin, and Lassr. But all 3 are veterans and could do so no matter what their role.