Octopus Overlords

Unagi wrote:

Austin wrote:I'm guessing Unagi is a construction worker or roofer of of sort and his power is placing shingles nice and even.

Sorta. As I said - I am the local thatcher. My ability is to repair the roofs.

(LOL - ok, wow - I finally get the 'Becky' joke Grundbegriff had on me a million years ago.)

I was hoping for a baker and a candlestick maker.

I'm a bit lost and I really do find it that two wolves could possibly live but you two enjoy thatchery and butchery or whatever. My vote still stands.

LordMortis wrote:I'm a bit lost and I really do find it that two wolves could possibly live but you two enjoy thatchery and butchery or whatever. My vote still stands.

We are a confusing lot aren't we? Not wolves though, nope. That would be you or dysan.

I'm anxiously awaiting Kraegor's position on this. We need you to join us Kraegor. I think this all is starting to hinge on whether or not you're thinking there are two wolves. I am sure if someone were convinced there were 2 wolves - Austin and I would make a fairly obvious duo, since we have paired up here... I implore you to re-read Grund and Remus's posts to decide if either one of them would have made their posts as a 'normal villager' faking the Seer.

Isn't this game over yet? I don't have time to go and read everything I've missed. Wrap it up already!

Kelric wrote: Isn't this game over yet? I don't have time to go and read everything I've missed. Wrap it up already!

Quiet you. It's almost done.

Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3...

Is this on?

Unagi wrote:I'm anxiously awaiting Kraegor's position on this. We need you to join us Kraegor. I think this all is starting to hinge on whether or not you're thinking there are two wolves. I am sure if someone were convinced there were 2 wolves - Austin and I would make a fairly obvious duo, since we have paired up here... I implore you to re-read Grund and Remus's posts to decide if either one of them would have made their posts as a 'normal villager' faking the Seer.

well, my problem is ya'lls eagerness.

re-reading Grunds posts points directly at Austin. Austin's long silence during the earlier coming out party tends to support Grund's view. Just as Austin singles out Mortis for the "kill Remus day 1 stance", that stance also implicates Austin for his line item lynch of Remus on day 2. i.e. Wolf looking to clear his name after a cloudy day.

so I'm thinking. Austin

Mortis may look guilty, but he also played in a manner to attract a lynch as the "timid priest". whether or not that was intentional is unknown since Mortis tends to play confused....

perhaps st_dysan will sit on the fence long enough for me to re-assess.

and the fact that the vote hinges on "me" when there were in fact 2 votes outstanding.

Foolish. But I'm done trying. You of all people are usually the first one to try to look through the BS and see what is. If I die tomorrow you had better be really careful as it'll be a toss up between dysan and Mortis.

Austin wrote:Foolish. But I'm done trying. You of all people are usually the first one to try to look through the BS and see what is. If I die tomorrow you had better be really careful as it'll be a toss up between dysan and Mortis.

does not compute.

Kraegor wrote:well, my problem is ya'lls eagerness.

I'm OK with you taking your time in making your decision. To be perfectly honest, I think I am indeed eager to end the game, this not-knowing is killing me.

Kraegor wrote: re-reading Grunds posts points directly at Austin. Austin's long silence during the earlier coming out party tends to support Grund's view. Just as Austin singles out Mortis for the "kill Remus day 1 stance", that stance also implicates Austin for his line item lynch of Remus on day 2. i.e. Wolf looking to clear his name after a cloudy day.

Yes, I know what you are saying here - but, every time I re-read the first 6 pages of this game, I come out of it thinking everyone seems 50% guilty / 50% innocent.

Kraegor wrote: so I'm thinking. Austin

Uhhg. This isn't what I was hoping your position would be. (Actually, I was more worried you'd pick me)... I'm not sure what to say here.
I am 99% sure that Austin is a powerless villager. For reasons that have nothing to do with voting patterns and/or accusations thrown around by him. It is my belief that unless Austin, you and I group up right now - the wolves will win this whole thing.
I beg of you to withdraw that vote before st_dysan chimes in and makes it 3 votes.

Kraegor wrote:Mortis may look guilty, but he also played in a manner to attract a lynch as the "timid priest". whether or not that was intentional is unknown since Mortis tends to play confused....

I didn't see that as a villager risking 'lynching' - generally, I think the flirting with the priest conversation was LordMortis' way of distancing himself from his wolven knowledge of the priests actual fate.
And, to be fair - I am only half sure that it's LordMortis... st_dysan really hasn't said anything that frees him of my suspicion.

Kraegor wrote: perhaps st_dysan will sit on the fence long enough for me to re-assess.

Yes, his silence isn't helpful.
I think Austin and I could be easily convinced to vote for st_dysan first. Well, I know I could at least, and it would seem that Austin would too.

Kraegor wrote:and the fact that the vote hinges on "me" when there were in fact 2 votes outstanding.

Well, the vote (from my perspective) hinges on you because Austin and I both plan to lynch LordMortis and st_dysan over the coarse of these two days, should we miss with the first lynching.
It would seem somewhat disingenuous to ask st_dysan to help lynch LordMortis.

and the fact that you and Austin are apparently in lock step for no apparent reason?

you purport a belief in 1 wolf yet refuse to accept either of the 2 others as possible villagers?

why is austin instantly trustable?

If I die, tomorrow... I missed a comma.

Kraegor wrote:and the fact that you and Austin are apparently in lock step for no apparent reason?

you purport a belief in 1 wolf yet refuse to accept either of the 2 others as possible villagers?

why is austin instantly trustable?

Because I have a role. I'm a butcher and he is a thatcher.

so the fact that you chop up meat (bodies) and he then covers what remains should sway me to your side?

Kraegor wrote:so the fact that you chop up meat (bodies) and he then covers what remains should sway me to your side?

As far as I know commoners don't normally get roles. This is what helped me identify him. He kept talking about fixing roofs and I had a V8 moment, slapped myself on the head and was able to recognize the fact he had received a role as a villager. We're being cagey as I'd rather not have wolves all of a sudden saying, "I'm a farmer!" or "I'm the animal husbandry guy!"

/boggle

I roleplay a singing bum and that gets me lynched in successive games....but pretending to be a butcher and thatcher....well that must make ya a villager...

Unagi wrote:
For reasons that have nothing to do with voting patterns and/or accusations thrown around by him. It is my belief that unless Austin, you and I group up right now - the wolves will win this whole thing.
I beg of you to withdraw that vote before st_dysan chimes in and makes it 3 votes.

another stance that does not add up. the 3 of us must group right now.....why?

you've cleared austin based on????? the ONLY reason to clear someone is based on behavior...yet you clear him based on.... Miss Cleo??

Kraegor wrote:/boggle

I roleplay a singing bum and that gets me lynched in successive games....but pretending to be a butcher and thatcher....well that must make ya a villager...

Unagi wrote:
For reasons that have nothing to do with voting patterns and/or accusations thrown around by him. It is my belief that unless Austin, you and I group up right now - the wolves will win this whole thing.
I beg of you to withdraw that vote before st_dysan chimes in and makes it 3 votes.

another stance that does not add up. the 3 of us must group right now.....why?

you've cleared austin based on????? the ONLY reason to clear someone is based on behavior...yet you clear him based on.... Miss Cleo??

Okay maybe I'm talking too fast for you. I'll slow down. Normally when assigned a role as a villager it's 'you are a villager'. This time it was, "you are the town's butcher, your power is slicing meat etc..." I noticed Unagi talking about fixing roofs and it dawned on me that other villagers also would have likely received creative roles too. I pegged him as a roofer or something and he confirmed he was a thatcher. I would have assumed general role play had I not received a role also. If I wasn't putting on blinders and focusing on facts I'd peg you as a wolf for your inability to get this. However I still think our final wolf is Mortis or Dysan.

focusing on facts I'd peg you as a wolf for your inability to get this.

see ya keep doing stuff that makes me not trust you.

speaking slowly... What scenario exists that would cause me to not get a generic b.s. role??? perhaps the one I already admitted to?

if st_dysan were the last wolf, Mortis would be dead already, unless of course dysan is roleplaying Lazy Wolf the village post hole digger.

so presuming dysan is the final good villager....he would have zero problem verifying your claims and would in fact hop on to lynch Mortis immediately upon reading your post.

so how did "I" the one villager who would NOT get your clues become the lynch pin?

Kraegor wrote:if st_dysan were the last wolf, Mortis would be dead already, unless of course dysan is roleplaying Lazy Wolf the village post hole digger.

so presuming dysan is the final good villager....he would have zero problem verifying your claims and would in fact hop on to lynch Mortis immediately upon reading your post.

so how did "I" the one villager who would NOT get your clues become the lynch pin?

Because st_dysan wasn't picking up the hints or acknowledging them at least. Had he or Mortis come out and understand what I, then we (Unagi and I) were driving at I'd have voted for the other. When Mortis came out and claimed that villagers all received the same message and I was taking something from that, he shot himself in the foot. This was more meta than I was going to go but there you have it, the villagers received different messages from each other.

and I've simply been waiting on dysan. I don't need you to spell out your plan...what I have been repeatedly....and repeatedly and yeah there's a third time....saying...is that "I" am not the one you should count on....

Should I inherently trust an instant 2 vote block based on information I do not have access to? No.

you should be counting on dysan for a slam dunk....but there ya go...it's in the open now and makes any move dysan makes suspect....(if the game does not end)

Kraegor wrote:and I've simply been waiting on dysan. I don't need you to spell out your plan...what I have been repeatedly....and repeatedly and yeah there's a third time....saying...is that "I" am not the one you should count on....

And I am saying the reason we have been looking at you is that dysan has stepped in and out a couple times, has missed it, has ignored it or, ... something, but he has not confirmed anything. Mortis has anti-confirmed it and you being an uncontested mason are deemed trust-worthy. In your eyes you might not see yourself as the lynch pin, but unless dysan snaps out of it, you are it.

/shrug. dysan has had ample time. hell even Mortis has had time to chime in. even as I provide opportunity for obfuscation, silence from both.

Lord Mortis

OK, gonna lay all the cards on the table here.
As Austin said above - we haven't wanted to spell this out so clearly, because it would be easy very easy for a wolf to fake if it was announced to be our 'Tell'...

The message I got at the start of this game was, and I quote:
"You are the local thatcher. Your ability is to repair the roof.
REGULAR NORMAL VILLAGER"

Being my first game here I had no idea if I was being told I was 'the local thatcher', as a 'consolation prize' - since I had no other 'Role'.... Or if this was normal - and, even the Wolves and the Masons were told things like:
"You are the town's baker. You make really good bread
WOLF"
"You are the local lush. You can't handle your booze
MASON"

Austin at first said that he was fairly sure I was a villager - and I was honestly clueless as to how he was so sure (grateful, but clueless).
The irony was - I had also had the thought, but I couldn't be sure that all 9 of us were told 'village occupations' in addition to our 'ROLE', so I didn't really dwell on it.

I, in fact discussed this game with my wife - and told her (days ago) that Austin was the only other guy that claimed to have a specific powerless role, and that he may actually be a normal villager because of it. I then explained to her that it's my first time playing though - so I wasn't sure if everyone was given these "powerless roles" in addition to their real ROLE.

Then actually just a few posts up - Austin was a little more clear what it was that made him think I was a villager... And it struck me that - Um, that's exactly what Austin was thinking. And he was right (many pages ago), that if the other 'non-powered' was paying attention - we could perhaps all figure it out.

If st_dysan comes forward now and says "Ohhhh... Yeah, totally guys - sorry! I am the town's baker" we couldn't believe him.
Likewise for LordMortis.

You however, Kraegor - YOU are trusted for other reasons.
Since I can't say for certain that LordMortis is the wolf, and I can't say that st_dysan is the wolf - I am fairly certain we need to lynch them both (in which ever order) to get our villager win out of this.

If Austin is (or I am) lynched today, Austin or I will be eaten tonight.
This will leave you, the Mason, with 1 Wolf and 1 Villager - - and nothing to go on.
50/50 shot really... And, you can bet that both st_dysan and LordMortis will be working on you to pick the other guy.


If we lynch the wrong guy today, still - I bet Austin or I die tonight... Actually I bet it's me that dies if we don't end it with the proper lynch target.
That would leave you, the Mason, with Austin and someone who knows your ready to vote for Austin.

I really don't see how st_dysan's chiming in would change anything at this point.
(nor LordMortis really)


The ball is in your court Kraegor.

Ha ha. He beat you to it. In any case Mortis tipped his hand already claiming that I was alluding something in a common villager message. He also claims to be unpowered. Again this was a bit more meta than I would have liked it to go but you gotta play the hand you're dealt.

Against LordMortis(3): Austin, Unagi, Kraegor
Against Austin(1): LordMortis

No Vote Registered: st_dysan

Kraegor wrote:/shrug. dysan has had ample time. hell even Mortis has had time to chime in. even as I provide opportunity for obfuscation, silence from both.

Lord Mortis

Woot! The village thanks you Kraegor.

Unagi wrote:

Kraegor wrote:/shrug. dysan has had ample time. hell even Mortis has had time to chime in. even as I provide opportunity for obfuscation, silence from both.

Lord Mortis

Woot! The village thanks you Kraegor.

Or does it?


(joke)

Oh, the irony....

They dragged him from his studies as the Village Geometry Teacher, with his ability to Teach Shapes, and strung LordMortis up in front of Ye Olde SevenAndEleven. Then went to bed with questions unanswered.


It is Night
Werewolves must choose a victim
Seer must choose to ID or PM
Priest may choose to ID

Grundbegriff wrote: Oh, the irony....

Shouldn't you be haunting something?

Austin wrote:

Unagi wrote:

Kraegor wrote:/shrug. dysan has had ample time. hell even Mortis has had time to chime in. even as I provide opportunity for obfuscation, silence from both.

Lord Mortis

Woot! The village thanks you Kraegor.

Or does it?


(joke)

A really really bad joke considering the outcome of that lynching. Yowzers, I thought for sure it would have been LordMortis.

I'm actually a little turned around right now.

As they woke in the morning, they counted themselves and counted again.

They did indeed all appear to still be alive!

VILLAGE WINS

From Behind the Scenes...




Grundbegriff
Subject: The Truth is Out There
You are the Seer of the Village
At Night, you make one of the following choices:
Identify one of the other players as WEREWOLF/VILLAGER
or
Choose a player - you will be allowed PM contact with that Player during the Day
If your chosen target is Killed by the Wolves your Identify/PM Contact will be lost


st_dysan
Subject: oh Most Holy, you have been called
You are the Village Priest.
Each NIGHT you MAY submit the Name of a Dead Player to IDENTIFY. You will be given the exact Role of the Deceased.
If you are killed during that Night, you will not receive that Nights Answer

Subject: Brothers of the Village (MASONS)
You and your Brother KRAEGOR are 100% assured the other is not a Werewolf. You may PM each other at any time.

Subject: Brothers of the Village (MASONS)
You and your Brother PR0NER are 100% assured the other is not a Werewolf. You may PM each other at any time.

Kelric
Subject: The Village
You are the local fisherman. Your ability is to catch smelt.
INNOCENT

Austin
Subject: The Town
You are the local butcher. Your ability is to weigh meat and slice it thin.
TOWNSFOLK

Unagi
Subject: The Game
You are the local thatcher. Your ability is to repair the roof.
REGULAR NORMAL VILLAGER


Subject: Crimson Moon
You and LORDMORTIS are the Cursed Lycanthropes...
You may PM each other at any time
When you have killed a Victim at Night, you will be given his Role
You may NOT choose a Werewolf as Victim

Subject: Crimson Moon
You and REMUS WEST are the Cursed Lycanthropes...
You may PM each other at any time
When you have killed a Victim at Night, you will be given his Role
You may NOT choose a Werewolf as Victim

Interesting. Good game. St_Dysan, why'd you decide to stay under the radar?

Edit: And Kraegor, that's why it hinged on you.

Grundbegriff wrote: We Are Not Your Playthings!

Ah, its done so now I can vent in public. By giving the villagers "roles" you took a game slanted heavily towards the village and made it impossible for the wolves to win as every player became roled. I do like the idea of assigning people village "roles" to encourage roleplaying but to do so without giving them to everyone essentially made 2 sets of Masons, one which began the game with 2 people and could PM and one which began the game with 3 people and could not PM and left no powerless villagers at all.

The wolves hide in the powerless peoples. There was zero chance for the wolves to win this game.

Staying quiet was nicely played though st_dysan as they would have lynched you had you come out. I doubt they miss LM the day after me due to reasons outlined above but it still saved the village a miss when you knew I would go down without your voice.

Remus West wrote:

Grundbegriff wrote: We Are Not Your Playthings!

He swears it was all random. I guess we have to believe him, eh?

Notes:

• Good job on your first time out, Unagi. You show a good mix of reason and intuition.
• Austin: Nice work. You're a force to be ridicu^H^H^H^H^Heckoned with.
• Austin: The reason I didn't trust you, and thought you wolfy, was that you somehow were not seeing Remus's conspicuous Wolfitude, and I just couldn't believe that you were missing it since you usually see through the smoke.
• Remus: I don't know what it is, but whenever you receive the Wolf role, everything about how you play changes!
• Kraegor: Good form in your usual self-imposed role as the Village contrarian.
• st_dysan: I don't get it.
• pr0ner: hello? We hardly knew you.
• Kelric: wouldn't have pegged you as a villager.
• LordMortis: I think this is the best I've seen you play. Even as I was headed for the pyre, I was discussing with you the rationale behind my plan and didn't suspect in the least that you were a nefarious malefactor. Your effort would've succeeded, were it not for your village-message-goof and these meddling kids!