Battle of the Presidents - Second Term

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:06 am

RevHempus71 wrote:Its crappy. I don't think your protection mattered. They probably converted him as soon as he came out.
Our ONLY chance at continuing this game is lynching an actual democrat.

Yeah, my protection only starts at night, so he is protected from conversion today, not yesterday. But too late on that one.

So we have 4 wolves with the conversion, right:

1) Purge - Converted Lincoln
2) ?
3) ?
4) ?

I am pretty sure I didn't kill Lincoln, as I doubt newcastle was a special, but maybe I really doomed us and killed Lincoln.

I am guessing that Reagan did not find anyone with his scan, so that means we have me as a proven, and Purge as a proven wolf.

<shrug> Who else do we think it is that is a wolf?

My possible wolves:
Chaosraven
Rev
Scoop

But I am horrible at these things, and we don't have much to go on. The Isg kill is most likely just killing a good analytical player. The Purge Conversion just makes sense. So no idea on how cagey the wolves are. Those were good solid moves, so it could be anyone as the wolf.

If we had more to go on we might have a chance, but we are going to need to be lucky to win this game...

Anyone else's thoughts?

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:09 am

RevHempus71 wrote:Of which, purge has to be one now. No good guy would not rez today. There is no room for error in today's vote.
Any arguments in support of purge will be deemed as democratic propaganda.

Yep. You are right. Actually the rez for yesterday was the move to make, he was converted within hours of him coming out. He cost us a day, which is what we had to do in case he was just being stubborn.

<sigh>

I threatened him, so we can see if anyone else has any insight, and then go from there and proceed with the lynch.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:17 am

RMC wrote:So we have 4 wolves with the conversion, right:

1) Purge - Converted Lincoln
2) ?
3) ?
4) ?

Clinton, Jackson, and a potential conversion makes for a maximum of 3 Democrats. In the hypothetical scenario of a converted Lincoln rezzing a dead Republican they will come back as a Republican, not a Democrat.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:20 am

Received votes:
RevHempus71 -
RMC -
Vorret -
Chaosraven - RevHempus71
bb2112 -
Scoop20906 -
El Guapo -
purge - RevHempus71, El Guapo, bb2112, Vorret

Five votes required to adjourn the Committee meeting.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:20 am

purge wrote:I'm a converted Lincoln!

Let's do this already. Sic semper tyrannus!

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:28 am

I think right now the seer needs to come out to he can be protected, sure it sacrifices RMC but he's more than likely dead anyway.

Obviously this implies that our seer is actually alive...

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:30 am

Moliere wrote:
RMC wrote:So we have 4 wolves with the conversion, right:

1) Purge - Converted Lincoln
2) ?
3) ?
4) ?
Clinton, Jackson, and a potential conversion makes for a maximum of 3 Democrats. In the hypothetical scenario of a converted Lincoln rezzing a dead Republican they will come back as a Republican, not a Democrat.

that's what I get for not checking. Sorry all. 3 wolves now.

Glad I am a proven, and no one can thing that I am a wolf trying to hide.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:31 am

I would guess one of these is a wolf:
purge - RevHempus71, El Guapo, bb2112, Vorret

(Plus Purge)

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:37 am

Vorret wrote:I think right now the seer needs to come out to he can be protected, sure it sacrifices RMC but he's more than likely dead anyway.

Obviously this implies that our seer is actually alive...

I kinda get this, but at this point there is no denying that purge is a democrat now. If he has a scan of a democrat then I like him coming forward for sure. If not then I am not so sure.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:49 am

RevHempus71 wrote:
Vorret wrote:I think right now the seer needs to come out to he can be protected, sure it sacrifices RMC but he's more than likely dead anyway.

Obviously this implies that our seer is actually alive...
I kinda get this, but at this point there is no denying that purge is a democrat now. If he has a scan of a democrat then I like him coming forward for sure. If not then I am not so sure.

I don't see the point of Reagan coming out unless he has a confirmed democrat scan (other than purge). Otherwise, all Reagan could tell us is that someone is a Republican, which is only useful for narrowing the pool of targets, which is not important now when we have a more-or-less confirmed democrat in our sights.

After we lynch purge then Reagan (if he's still alive) gets another scan. If he has at least one confirmed democrat then he probably comes out. If not he could come out and at least remove two targets from the target pool, plus RMC could protect him that night giving him a third scan.

Yes, we risk the wolves hitting Reagan with their night kill, but (1) probability would be in our favor (odds are they wouldn't hit him); and (2) we need to take at least some minimal risks at this point if we're going to win.

I really don't see the case for him coming out now (absent a confirmed democrat scan).

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:51 am

El Guapo wrote:
RevHempus71 wrote:
Vorret wrote:I think right now the seer needs to come out to he can be protected, sure it sacrifices RMC but he's more than likely dead anyway.

Obviously this implies that our seer is actually alive...
I kinda get this, but at this point there is no denying that purge is a democrat now. If he has a scan of a democrat then I like him coming forward for sure. If not then I am not so sure.
I don't see the point of Reagan coming out unless he has a confirmed democrat scan (other than purge). Otherwise, all Reagan could tell us is that someone is a Republican, which is only useful for narrowing the pool of targets, which is not important now when we have a more-or-less confirmed democrat in our sights.

After we lynch purge then Reagan (if he's still alive) gets another scan. If he has at least one confirmed democrat then he probably comes out. If not he could come out and at least remove two targets from the target pool, plus RMC could protect him that night giving him a third scan.

Yes, we risk the wolves hitting Reagan with their night kill, but (1) probability would be in our favor (odds are they wouldn't hit him); and (2) we need to take at least some minimal risks at this point if we're going to win.

I really don't see the case for him coming out now (absent a confirmed democrat scan).

Yep. I guess I follow this logic. We are gambling, but it is for the win. So let's go for it.

Purge

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:51 am

RMC wrote: Actually the rez for yesterday was the move to make

If only some wise and sage leader had pointed that out yesterday. But truly, only an exceptionally wise (and handsome) republican would have been arguing for that yesterday.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:53 am

El Guapo wrote:
RMC wrote: Actually the rez for yesterday was the move to make
If only some wise and sage leader had pointed that out yesterday. But truly, only an exceptionally wise (and handsome) republican would have been arguing for that yesterday.

I was the one that started that line of thinking. But I was swayed by the fact Andy would not give me another bullet to put in someones head.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:17 am

Received votes:
RevHempus71 -
RMC -
Vorret -
Chaosraven - RevHempus71
bb2112 -
Scoop20906 -
El Guapo -
purge - RevHempus71, El Guapo, bb2112, Vorret, RMC

That's five votes on purge. The meeting is adjourned...

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:33 am

Getting over the initial shock and dismay at Isgrimnur’s death the committee looks expectantly over at purge. Except he isn’t there. Ten roll calls later purge makes a brief appearance to explain how he was busy on a sub-committee and that he wanted to save the rez for later. Without further comment he leaves again. The committee isn’t happy with this response and the votes start piling up. After reaching five votes the Sergeant at Arms brings purge back into the room.

“purge, you have been found guilty of being a Democrat.” The noose is thrown over his head and tightened before he can make a sound other than what can only be described as the braying of a donkey. purge was Democrat.

It is now Night 2.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:50 am

I am SHOCKED!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:12 pm

I know, especially given how convincing his "I'd rather not rez because reasons" pitch was.

purge · Post by **purge** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:33 pm

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:14 pm

Moliere wrote:Getting over the initial shock and dismay at Isgrimnur’s death the committee looks expectantly over at purge. Except he isn’t there. Ten roll calls later purge makes a brief appearance to explain how he was busy on a sub-committee and that he wanted to save the rez for later. Without further comment he leaves again. The committee isn’t happy with this response and the votes start piling up. After reaching five votes the Sergeant at Arms brings purge back into the room.

“purge, you have been found guilty of being a Democrat.” The noose is thrown over his head and tightened before he can make a sound other than what can only be described as the braying of a donkey. purge was Democrat.

It is now Night 2.

Just catching up. F*CK! I missed a chance a kill vote!

I hate being sick.

Just my two cents, purge probably got converted yesterday probably right before the vote to prevent him from rezzing someone. If he was a democrat he never would have faked a proveable role unless he was Jackson which he wasn't since he didn't shoot someone.

The good news is most likely we know there are only two democrats and with the conversion already done (and most likely Purge) we can look at everyone's behaviors without the specter of conversion and there is a good chance Reagan's scan yesterday was a real one and tonight's is definitely real. The game really hinges on Reagan lasting the night.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:33 pm

I'm kind of surprised that purge never really made a serious effort to pitch the village on not rezzing and lynching someone else. Probably a futile endeavor, but I still would've expected him to give it the ol' college try.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:39 pm

El Guapo wrote:I'm kind of surprised that purge never really made a serious effort to pitch the village on not rezzing and lynching someone else. Probably a futile endeavor, but I still would've expected him to give it the ol' college try.

They probably think it's in the bag already... hopefully we can prove them wrong !

RevHempus71 · Post by **RevHempus71** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:44 pm

So Chaos and Scoop were the 2 non voters.

Of these 2 I would test Scoop.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:46 pm

RevHempus71 wrote:So Chaos and Scoop were the 2 non voters.

Of these 2 I would test Scoop.

Let's figure this out in the morning. No sense in giving the wolves more information while they are picking their target tonight.

Plus we will probably be down villager after tonight, which will shape our analysis.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:33 pm

Cool. Well even though we kinda knew what was going to happen when we hung Purge, it still feels good.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:55 pm

El Guapo wrote:
RMC wrote: Actually the rez for yesterday was the move to make
If only some wise and sage leader had pointed that out yesterday. But truly, only an exceptionally wise (and handsome) republican would have been arguing for that yesterday.

bb2112 wrote:Thinking about this...<snip> <snip>
Unless someone has a better idea, I think Purge has to rez NC today.

Thanks, El G!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:10 am

I just want everyone to know that I engineered the OO shutdown, inconveniencing everyone and achieving nothing in the process. If that does not prove my Republican bona fides, I don't know what will.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:16 am

Specials and Democrats, don't forget to send in your Night orders.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:03 am

The Democrats want a lot of government all the time. For engineering the OO Shutdown El Guapo has been targeted by the Democrat cabal within the Republican ranks. Upon their return the Committee members only find a note in El Guapo's seat reading "Recycled in the circle of life as worm food."

It is now Day 3.

Received votes:
RevHempus71 -
RMC -
Vorret -
Chaosraven -
bb2112 -
Scoop20906 -

Four votes required to adjourn the Committee meeting.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:13 am

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:13 am

RevHempus71 - REPUBLICAN
RMC - BADASS WITH THE BOOMSTICK
Vorret -
Chaosraven - RONNY RAYGUN
bb2112 -
Scoop20906 -

sadly Isrgim was my scan the night he died

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:19 am

Vorret -
bb2112 -
Scoop20906 -

So there's 2 in those 3.

If we hit BammoMan, it's 1 of the remaining 2 versus our 4 -Bammoed and Nightkilled =2
One more chance.

If we miss, it's those 2 versus our 3 -nightkill Game Over

If we hit the usedup converter, it's one of the remaining two as BammoMan versus our 4 -Nightkill =3
One more chance as his explosion will make it 0 demo to 2 repub

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:20 am

Moliere wrote:Four votes required to adjourn the Committee meeting.

This is the crappy part.

It essentially takes all four of us to vote off either of them

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:21 am

And only two of us dumb enough to place votes on a republican for them to jump on and win.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:22 am

Okay. Mr Scanner guy come on out.
I can protect you tonight.
Math:
6 players
2 wolves left
Today:
2 proven - me, and Reagan (I hope)
2 wolves in 4 left.

Hopefully one of the 2 scans is still good, and that person is not dead.
So two wolves out of three left.

Miss Today -
5 players 2 wolves
Tonight
4 players 2 wolves - We lose

Hit today
5 players 1 wolf
Tonight
4 players 1 wolf

So we need to find a wolf today, or we lose. Simple enough. So no reason for the scanner not to come out today.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:23 am

Chaosraven wrote:If we hit the usedup converter, it's one of the remaining two as BammoMan versus our 4 -Nightkill =3
One more chance as his explosion will make it 0 demo to 2 repub

This is the best case for us, as if we don't hit the Explosive, RMC can protect me as they kill him and I get to KNOW which of the 2 is the last Demo.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:24 am

RMC wrote:Okay. Mr Scanner guy come on out.
I can protect you tonight.
Math:
6 players
2 wolves left
Today:
2 proven - me, and Reagan (I hope)
2 wolves in 4 left.

Hopefully one of the 2 scans is still good, and that person is not dead.
So two wolves out of three left.

Miss Today -
5 players 2 wolves
Tonight
4 players 2 wolves - We lose

Hit today
5 players 1 wolf
Tonight
4 players 1 wolf

So we need to find a wolf today, or we lose. Simple enough. So no reason for the scanner not to come out today.

Welcome to five minutes ago

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:25 am

Chaosraven wrote:RevHempus71 - REPUBLICAN
RMC - BADASS WITH THE BOOMSTICK
Vorret -
Chaosraven - RONNY RAYGUN
bb2112 -
Scoop20906 -

sadly Isrgim was my scan the night he died

Well why I was typing Chaos comes out.. You go!

So two wolves in three:

Vorret, BB2112, and Scoop20906

Well, Scoop is a wolf. No doubt there if you ask me.

So Vorret or BB2112. Hmm..

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:26 am

Well this is good and not good, kinda unlucky you didn't nail a single dem with those scans but that's life.

Rev has been on Scoop's ass from day one so he could be a good target (though I'll hold on voting until we get a general concesus going).

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:27 am

The key is to hit Clinton today.

An explosion will take me out, they kill you, and RevHempus gets to be the deciding vote over the other two tomorrow.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:28 am

<--- 100% pure breed Republican. I can't prove it BUT you can protect chaos tonight and he can verify my claim tomorrow. Scoop and BB are our targets since most of us seem to agree that Scoop is shady we can start with him?