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msduncan wrote:That being said, I'm tired of the racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe shaming mob that has become the fashion these past few years.

msduncan wrote:I'm still not 100% convinced he's not working for Bill. That being said, I'm tired of the racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe shaming mob that has become the fashion these past few years.

Captain Caveman wrote:

msduncan wrote:I'm still not 100% convinced he's not working for Bill. That being said, I'm tired of the racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe shaming mob that has become the fashion these past few years.

If Trump is not a racist, the term has no meaning. His political rise started with the birther nonsense and demands to see Obama's college transcripts. He launched his campaign fear-mongering about Mexican immigrants, calling them rapists and murderers, despite actual facts showing they commit such crimes at a lower rate than citizens. He called for a banning of an entire religion from our country. He says a judge can't do his job because of his ethnic background... that it's a conflict of interest because Trump has been so publicly bigoted. He's now repeatedly using Pocahontas as a slur.

And that's not even mentioning his stuff from the past... the landlord bit, the Central Park 5 (which I'm surprised hasn't been discussed much yet).

tgb wrote:The book that tells the story of Trump Casino is from 1991. the last few years.

msduncan wrote: I'm confused. Mexican isn't a race. It's a nationality, no? How can you be racist against nationals?

Why is there something wrong with being critical of nationals from another country who are breaking the law to come here, and breaking more laws when they earn money and don't pay taxes, etc?

Holman wrote:

"...and he was never once accused of being racist by anyone until he decided to run against the Democrats."

A better translation would be "His racism was never treated as a big deal until he decided to run for President of the United States."

Unless you think we should have a Racism Police going after everyone all the time, it makes perfect sense that Trump's racism wouldn't have become a matter of wide public concern until his current campaign.

msduncan wrote: That being said, I'm tired of the racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe shaming mob that has become the fashion these past few years.

msduncan wrote:Here's a good one too:

On Nov. 10, 1979, six days into the 444-day hostage crisis, Carter ordered Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti to begin deportation proceedings of Iranian students—and only Iranian students—found to be illegally in the United States. The Attorney General always had that authority, and attorneys general have exercised it to a larger or lesser extent, depending on the administration (Obama’s has been the harshest of the last couple of decades). The difference with Carter’s order is that it targeted a specific class of people, a specific nationality. In that regard, Carter was giving in to public pressure to look like he was “doing something” in the face of the hostage crisis in its early days.

To enforce the order, Civiletti on Nov. 13 issued an order for all Iranians with student visas to report to federal immigration offices or face deportation, according to the New York Times at the time. Students alone were targeted because the hostage-takers in Tehran were purportedly students. All other Iranians in the United States, including tourists, business travelers, other visitors, Iranian students who’d immigrated, and all other Green Card holders, were exempt. For student-visa holders, that would have been a limited registration system of a sort, but it didn’t get very far: on Dec. 11, Federal District Judge Joyce Hens Green, who had been appointed to the bench by Carter just seven months earlier, gave Carter a thank you note by way of ordering his and his attorney general to immediately stop enforcement of the Civiletti order–and forbade the administration from using any information gathered on the students until that point.

Kurth wrote:

msduncan wrote: That being said, I'm tired of the racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe shaming mob that has become the fashion these past few years.

Good grief, this is a stupid comment.

Some Austrian dude wrote:All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

msduncan wrote:I'm still not 100% convinced he's not working for Bill. That being said, I'm tired of the racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe shaming mob that has become the fashion these past few years.

msduncan wrote:

Alefroth wrote:

msduncan wrote:

And these are just a few of his African-Americans.

msduncan wrote:

Claim: Donald Trump was never called a racist before he started running for president.
FALSE

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Origin: A meme featuring several images of Donald Trump posing with prominent African-Americans was widely circulated on Facebook in May 2016, along with the claim that the real estate mogul was "never once accused of being racist by anyone" until he started his 2016 presidential campaign (and implying that he was being accused of racism purely for the purpose of scoring political points).

However, Trump was accused of racism long before he announced that he was running for president.

Max Peck wrote:Pro-Tip: If you really must be lazy enough to hotlink your meme (and all of us do, from time to time, with the exception of Isgrimnur), at least steal bandwidth from someone who doesn't refute your point.

Max Peck wrote:

msduncan wrote:

Oh, hey, look at that -- that image is hotlinked from snopes.com. Surely the article there will back up your assertion.

Claim: Donald Trump was never called a racist before he started running for president.
FALSE

...

Origin: A meme featuring several images of Donald Trump posing with prominent African-Americans was widely circulated on Facebook in May 2016, along with the claim that the real estate mogul was "never once accused of being racist by anyone" until he started his 2016 presidential campaign (and implying that he was being accused of racism purely for the purpose of scoring political points).

However, Trump was accused of racism long before he announced that he was running for president.

Carpet_pissr wrote:

Holman wrote:

"...and he was never once accused of being racist by anyone until he decided to run against the Democrats."

A better translation would be "His racism was never treated as a big deal until he decided to run for President of the United States."

Unless you think we should have a Racism Police going after everyone all the time, it makes perfect sense that Trump's racism wouldn't have become a matter of wide public concern until his current campaign.

But there's a montage of pictures, taken over decades, of him standing next to actual BLACK PEOPLE! Sure, saying you have "lots of black friends" is great, but documented proof that you have stood next to not one, but several? Instant non-racist cred right there.

DOLE: I've been a Republican all my life. And I know that both candidates are flawed. And Trump has done some things that would curl your hair, things that he shouldn't have said. Some Republicans say, well, I can't vote for Trump. I have an obligation to the party. I mean, what am I going to do? I can't vote for George Washington. So I'm supporting Donald Trump. I've talked to him twice and hope to talk to him again and just congratulate him for toning down the rhetoric and talking about the issues and not about people.

msduncan wrote: The world has been an extreme left playground for 8 years

RunningMn9 wrote: To be fair, he was never once accused of being racist (and I'm taking that on faith) until he started saying racist things to appeal to Republicans.

GreenGoo wrote:

RunningMn9 wrote: To be fair, he was never once accused of being racist (and I'm taking that on faith) until he started saying racist things to appeal to Republicans.

He's been called sexist and occasionally misogynist for most of his adult life.

Does that count?

msduncan wrote: My final comment: I'm angry. It's the fuel that is driving this Trump train because most of his supporters are far more angry than I am.

msduncan wrote:Hey -- I just saw it come across Twitter in my feed. I didn't dive deeper because who would have thought

LawBeefaroni wrote: He'll gladhand anyone if he thinks it can bring him money. He buddied up to Sharpton to help him get Don King to bring fights to his properties in Atlantic City. Every guy in those photos is a business opportunity, not a friend.

Exodor wrote:

msduncan wrote: The world has been an extreme left playground for 8 years

W.T.F.

msduncan wrote:

Carpet_pissr wrote:

Holman wrote:

"...and he was never once accused of being racist by anyone until he decided to run against the Democrats."

A better translation would be "His racism was never treated as a big deal until he decided to run for President of the United States."

Unless you think we should have a Racism Police going after everyone all the time, it makes perfect sense that Trump's racism wouldn't have become a matter of wide public concern until his current campaign.

But there's a montage of pictures, taken over decades, of him standing next to actual BLACK PEOPLE! Sure, saying you have "lots of black friends" is great, but documented proof that you have stood next to not one, but several? Instant non-racist cred right there.

Civil rights activists. Some of the first to swing the racism bat around too.

Skinypupy wrote:

Exodor wrote:

msduncan wrote: The world has been an extreme left playground for 8 years

W.T.F.

When every action that doesn't fall exactly in line with the GOP talking points is considered "extreme left", then yeah, I can see how the world would look that way.

Kurth wrote:

msduncan wrote: That being said, I'm tired of the racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe shaming mob that has become the fashion these past few years.

Good grief, this is a stupid comment.

hepcat wrote:

Kurth wrote:

msduncan wrote: That being said, I'm tired of the racist/bigot/sexist/homophobe shaming mob that has become the fashion these past few years.

Good grief, this is a stupid comment.

The KKK and other white nationalist groups love this argument. If calling out racism and homophobia is now easily trivialized as acts of "political correctness", they have won the day.

Smoove_B wrote:...meanwhile Trump seals the coveted Bob Dole endorsement:

DOLE: I've been a Republican all my life. And I know that both candidates are flawed. And Trump has done some things that would curl your hair, things that he shouldn't have said. Some Republicans say, well, I can't vote for Trump. I have an obligation to the party. I mean, what am I going to do? I can't vote for George Washington. So I'm supporting Donald Trump. I've talked to him twice and hope to talk to him again and just congratulate him for toning down the rhetoric and talking about the issues and not about people.

Translation: Republican has to do what a Republican has to do...so I'll vote for him. Hilarious.