Octopus Overlords

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:58 pm

Rip wrote:

Holman wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:54 pm

Rip wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:40 pm Until you get to the point that he never received the goods, also note that the receiving of them isn't so much a crime as paying to receive them. I don't know of anyone ever prosecuted for being on the receiving end of stolen goods, only when they actually pay for them.

Going to be a really tough sell.

I'm sure it's pure coincidence that Trump's first and main foreign policy goal at the RNC convention and in January 2017 was eliminating sanctions.

Wanting something and delivering something are miles apart. Transaction isn't complete until payment is made. There is a reason the cops always wait for the actual exchange of the money. Hell Menendez actually delivered on what he was paid for and still didn't get shit for it.

Conspiracy to commit treason is still a conspiracy.

With his record on Russia under scrutiny after the summit with Vladimir Putin, President Trump on Monday insisted that the United States will not drop sanctions against Moscow.

“Sanctions on Russia will remain as is,” Trump said, even as Putin demands that they be dropped.

Rip wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:48 am So much for the payoff.

https://nypost.com/2018/07/30/trump-say ... ain-as-is/

With his record on Russia under scrutiny after the summit with Vladimir Putin, President Trump on Monday insisted that the United States will not drop sanctions against Moscow.

“Sanctions on Russia will remain as is,” Trump said, even as Putin demands that they be dropped.

An appeals court on Monday rejected Paul Manafort’s request to end his pre-trial detention ahead of the former Trump campaign chairman's second trial in Washington, D.C.
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An appellate court Washington, D.C. upheld the judge's order, which said that Manafort "was unlikely to abide by any conditions the District Court might impose, including the 'most fundamental condition of release . . . that he not commit [additional] crime during the period of release.’”
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The ruling on Manafort's pre-trial detention arrived the same day as he goes to trial in Virginia on bank and tax fraud charges.

Manafort is set to appear in court in D.C. in September on another series of charges, including obstructing justice, conspiracy to obstruct justice and illegal foreign lobbying.

hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:13 am

Rip wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:48 am So much for the payoff.

https://nypost.com/2018/07/30/trump-say ... ain-as-is/

With his record on Russia under scrutiny after the summit with Vladimir Putin, President Trump on Monday insisted that the United States will not drop sanctions against Moscow.

“Sanctions on Russia will remain as is,” Trump said, even as Putin demands that they be dropped.

You do realize that the opening part of your quote explains exactly why he's doing that? If you're under suspicion of stealing from the cookie jar, you don't stand near the cookie jar again until things die down.

It's also the reason he called off that impromptu meeting in Washington with Putin. He's waiting for the heat to die down, my man.

hepcat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:13 am

Rip wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:48 am So much for the payoff.

https://nypost.com/2018/07/30/trump-say ... ain-as-is/

With his record on Russia under scrutiny after the summit with Vladimir Putin, President Trump on Monday insisted that the United States will not drop sanctions against Moscow.

“Sanctions on Russia will remain as is,” Trump said, even as Putin demands that they be dropped.

You do realize that the opening part of your quote explains exactly why he's doing that? If you're under suspicion of stealing from the cookie jar, you don't stand near the cookie jar again until things die down.

It's also the reason he called off that impromptu meeting in Washington with Putin. He's waiting for the heat to die down, my man.

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:16 am The Hill

An appeals court on Monday rejected Paul Manafort’s request to end his pre-trial detention ahead of the former Trump campaign chairman's second trial in Washington, D.C.
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An appellate court Washington, D.C. upheld the judge's order, which said that Manafort "was unlikely to abide by any conditions the District Court might impose, including the 'most fundamental condition of release . . . that he not commit [additional] crime during the period of release.’”
...
The ruling on Manafort's pre-trial detention arrived the same day as he goes to trial in Virginia on bank and tax fraud charges.

Manafort is set to appear in court in D.C. in September on another series of charges, including obstructing justice, conspiracy to obstruct justice and illegal foreign lobbying.

Trump's tweet came before the trial of ex-campaign chief Paul Manafort entered its second day in federal court in Virginia. Manafort is being tried by Mueller's team.

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:48 am When the walls are closing in, it gets harder and harder to think straight.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:50 am

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:48 am When the walls are closing in, it gets harder and harder to think straight.

Also when one is an idiot.

Mr. Trump’s lead lawyer in the case, Rudolph W. Giuliani, dismissed Mr. Mueller’s interest in the tweets as part of a desperate quest to sink the president.

“If you’re going to obstruct justice, you do it quietly and secretly, not in public,” Mr. Giuliani said.

Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:02 pm I thought there were only 13 angry democrats. When did they pick up four more?

Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:02 pm I thought there were only 13 angry democrats. When did they pick up four more?

Alefroth wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:12 pm

Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:02 pm I thought there were only 13 angry democrats. When did they pick up four more?

He's mixing them up with the Lying intelligence agencies.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:50 am

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:48 am When the walls are closing in, it gets harder and harder to think straight.

Also when one is an idiot.

Grifman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:33 pm I have to conclude that Manafort has been promised a pardon by Trump. From what I have read, it’s pretty obvious that he’s going to be convicted. When you have large deposits in your accounts but no taxes paid, well that’s not hard for a jury to understand. There’s just no way he get’s off. So why hasn’t he made a deal? It can only be due to a promise of a pardon. If so, then all hell will break loose. We live in interesting times.

The judge in the trial of onetime Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is telling prosecutors not to use the word "oligarch" to describe wealthy Ukrainians who paid millions to Manafort for his work as an international political consultant.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III says oligarch has a "pejorative" meaning and using it isn't relevant to the bank fraud and tax evasion charges against Manafort.

The judge also is cautioning lawyers for special counsel Robert Mueller that the term could imply that Manafort was associating with "despicable" people and therefore guilty himself.

In Ellis' words: "That's not the American way."

Ellis notes that wealthy Democratic donor George Soros or one of the conservative Koch (kohk) brothers could qualify as oligarchs.

Ellis' comments on the second day of Manafort's trial weren't made in front of the jury.

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:52 pm Pack it in, boys. It's all over.

ABC

The judge in the trial of onetime Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is telling prosecutors not to use the word "oligarch" to describe wealthy Ukrainians who paid millions to Manafort for his work as an international political consultant.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III says oligarch has a "pejorative" meaning and using it isn't relevant to the bank fraud and tax evasion charges against Manafort.

The judge also is cautioning lawyers for special counsel Robert Mueller that the term could imply that Manafort was associating with "despicable" people and therefore guilty himself.

In Ellis' words: "That's not the American way."

Ellis notes that wealthy Democratic donor George Soros or one of the conservative Koch (kohk) brothers could qualify as oligarchs.

Ellis' comments on the second day of Manafort's trial weren't made in front of the jury.

But the judge took particular offense to the term “oligarch,” which prosecutor Greg Andres used yesterday in reference to those financing Viktor Yanukovych’s campaign. Ever the traditionalist, Ellis referred to the definition of “oligarchy,” where power resides in a select few.

“I suppose high schools are oligarchies in that sense,” Ellis said.

He said that use of the term “oligarch” implies Manafort is consorting with criminals, and there will be no evidence presented to the court about them. “The only thing we know is that they have a lot of money.”

So do George Soros and the Koch brothers, he added, but they wouldn’t be referred to as “oligarchs.”

He added that the term has taken on a “pejorative” connotation.

Andres tried to counter, but Ellis told him to “find another term to use” and suggested “he financed it.” He told Andres he could submit a brief explaining why he needs to use the word, which Andres indicated he would do.

“Nobody would refer to the principal of a high school as an oligarch,” but it could fit the definition, Ellis said.

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:27 pm eh, I kind of get where the judge is coming from. Oligarch is a somewhat vague and pretty pejorative, meaning something along the lines of "rich and shady persons connected to a government", or something like that. It's not clear cut, but I think the judge's position here is defensible.

LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:36 pm Ditto. Word connotations shouldn't influence the weight of the criminal proceedings. I get why a prosecutor would want to charge the language but I also would get why the defense would want to put a stop to that shit and why judge would be on the defense side.

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's longtime bookkeeper testified Thursday that Manafort was in serious financial trouble in 2016 after his lobbying business dried up, and he and his deputy Rick Gates sent several fake, inflated income business statements to banks.
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She walked the court through what the yearly profit and loss statements her company prepared for Manafort's DMP should have looked like. But the income statements that DMP provided to the banks that gave it loans were rife with misspellings, used different fonts and headers, omitted corporate disclaimers and left out some numbers the bookkeeper would have included.

One side-by-side of documents showed [bookkeeper] Washkuhn's company telling Federal Savings Bank that Manafort's company DMP International had lost $1.11 million in the first 11 months of 2016.

But Manafort then sent the same person at the bank, Dennis Raico, a financial statement for the first nine months of the year that said his company made $3 million.

Federal Savings Bank ultimately loaned to DMP when its executive Stephen Calk sought a Trump campaign position.

Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!

Holman wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:00 amOr is the best part throwing Don Jr. under the bus?