Warhammer - Burn the Heretic! Emperor's Children WIN!

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:26 am

I had my theory about you, so I'll go with theohall

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:33 am

The Dead:
Semaj (unknown)
Mipe (no taint)
Lassr (unknown)

Majority is 5 votes. If no majority is met, voting ends at 5pm est on Friday, Jan. 9th.

Votes:
Scoop20906(3) - theohall, Austin, Stessier
theohall(3) - Remus West, Scoop20906, ChaosRaven

No Vote: Purge, Mr. Bubbles, Unagi

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:36 am

You haven't melted down yet, have you terminator?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:46 am

Ok, I have a meeting for about an hour so I won't be answering any questions you have for me until I get back. I suggest you pull your vote for me and then wait to hear my response and then decide if you want to continue to vote for me.

kthanksbye

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:12 am

If I am wrong, I'll likely feel like a jack-ass later but, I'd like to share that I feel Scoop is a Good-Guy this game.

I'm not exactly at liberty to expand on it, but I feel pretty good about it.
(He's been "the one" that I have mentioned a couple times, unnamed)

Anyhow.

Theohall was my 2nd choice of a shot, so I am going to place my vote there.

Mr.Bubbles, Austin, and Stessier are both high on my list.
Chaos and Remus keep cropping up as potential converts, but Remus keeps exhibiting certain behaviours that I think are 'Good Guy' signs (and then occasionally flashes some things that always make me think he's evil, although I am often wrong - so I tend to try and back-ground these specific concerns regard Remus... 'squelch' if you will...)

So, who did I even forget was playing in this review....

Hmm...
Ahhh - Purge.... well.... Actually, I've been leaning that Purge is OK this game too. I do agree that his unfortunate Marine troubles do seem to put him in a pickle - so we'll need to see how that pans out.

So, yea - Theohall

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:16 am

Well, just went back and read the previous page.

Unfortunate that Scoop felt the need to make his declaration - I understand his concern at the time though.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:20 am

Oh, and for personal reasons - I'd love to learn about Lassr's geneseed.

Although, I can see a desire for the lynch to be discovered too... It's likely a wash, so I am OK with whatever the Apoth decides to do... but I'd love to hear if I wasted that shot.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:47 am

I'm a bit torn. This screams wolf, wanting to claim special but afraid to be countered. I'll remove my vote and vote Theohall. I don't feel great about it but it's what the cool kids are doing.

Theohall

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:51 am

I have to say that stessier's vote on Scoop jumped him up way far on my list. I am not removing my vote from Theohall though because I think Theo is evil and I do not want to put he and Scoop back into a tie by putting a lone vote on stessier.

As for the Geneseed, I understand Unagi's desire to have Lassr checked but I think it more important we check the lynched. Finding Lassr's gives us information regarding one player's decision making (and a player we do not need to doubt at that). Finding the geneseed of the lynched give us information regarding everyone's decision process.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:54 am

and while that window is open Austin moves his vote.

I think I am still leaving my vote but I'm watching you stessier.

and if Scoop ends up the special I think he is for the reasons I thought I will crown myself redeemed from the Remuscide game as he was the other one I was looking at.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:04 pm

Remus West wrote:As for the Geneseed, I understand Unagi's desire to have Lassr checked but I think it more important we check the lynched. Finding Lassr's gives us information regarding one player's decision making (and a player we do not need to doubt at that). Finding the geneseed of the lynched give us information regarding everyone's decision process.

Just to put a little more out there - Scoop was very strongly in line with my choice of Lassr.

And then, also - just think of how much more I want to know about Lassr compared to the fractional ownership we would all have toward today's Lynch.

In other words: Sure, sure - the apothecary can give us all a 'snack' by telling us what our Lynch was... but the apothecary can give me a 'full course meal' by telling us what Lassr was.

purge · Post by **purge** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:04 pm

.... and that makes five for Theohall.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:06 pm

Remus West wrote:and while that window is open Austin moves his vote.

I think I am still leaving my vote but I'm watching you stessier.

and if Scoop ends up the special I think he is for the reasons I thought I will crown myself redeemed from the Remuscide game as he was the other one I was looking at.

So, you and I seem to be in almost 100% agreement Remus. And I am not sure if you are 'back into it' or not.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:17 pm

purge wrote:.... and that makes five for Theohall.

Dear EC & Specials,

Please try not to take forever.

Thanks,

Unagi

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:31 pm

UNOFFICIAL RESULTS!!

The Dead:
Semaj (unknown)
Mipe (no taint)
Lassr (unknown)

Majority is 5 votes. If no majority is met, voting ends at 5pm est on Friday, Jan. 9th.

Votes:
theohall(5) - Remus West, Scoop20906, ChaosRaven, Unagi, Austin
Scoop20906(2) - theohall, Stessier

No Vote: Purge, Mr. Bubbles

purge · Post by **purge** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:36 pm

The Dead:
Semaj (unknown)
Mipe (no taint)
Lassr (unknown)
theohall (unknown)

The Living
Austin
Stessier
Remus West
Scoop20906
ChaosRaven
Purge
Mr. Bubbles
Unagi <- proven to be good.

Win conditions are EC count = good count, correct?

If a conversion happened last night, and if neither Lassr or Theohall are EC, then we've lost.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:37 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:OFFICIAL RESULTS!!

The Dead:
Semaj (unknown)
Mipe (no taint)
Lassr (unknown)

Majority is 5 votes. If no majority is met, voting ends at 5pm est on Friday, Jan. 9th.

Votes:
theohall(5) - Remus West, Scoop20906, ChaosRaven, Unagi, Austin
Scoop20906(2) - theohall, Stessier

No Vote: Purge, Mr. Bubbles

Voting is closed!!

purge · Post by **purge** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:37 pm

Doh! I can't count. Then we have one more shot at this.

Tomorrow would be 4 vs 3.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:42 pm

Space Marine justice is brutal, but effective. To his credit Theohall accepted the chainsword stroke like a true space marine. No complaining or pleading. Death was swift!

It is now night

8 remain

Austin
Stessier
Remus West
Scoop20906
ChaosRaven
Purge
Mr. Bubbles
Unagi

Special send me your orders

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:44 pm

Unagi wrote:Well, just went back and read the previous page.

Unfortunate that Scoop felt the need to make his declaration - I understand his concern at the time though.

Can I take back my announcement? I didn't want to die without getting the information out there since I was so close to being lynched.

I'm not going to say which special I am, not because I am worried about someone countering my claim but because I don't want to give the baddies an easy choice on who to kill tonight.

If they want to know which role I have they will HAVE to scan me and thus this prevents them from fishing who other specials with that scan. Smart choice, huh?

As far as the geneseed, I say the apothecary scans theohall. I do believe we should find out if either of them is tainted tonight if the apothecary is still alive.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:54 pm

Unagi wrote:
purge wrote:.... and that makes five for Theohall.
Dear EC & Specials,

Please try not to take forever.

Thanks,
Unagi

My orders are in.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:01 pm

Just reminicing

theohall wrote:SSHHhhh!!!! You're making too much noise in here....

A billion years ago, I thought that theohall was perhaps the librarian.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:06 pm

tru1cy wrote:Space Marine justice is brutal, but effective.

At some point, are we actually going to burn a heritic? I was looking forward to a Theohall-B-Que

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:17 pm

I just want to point out that I think Tru1cy's voting deadline worked perfectly. It gave us ample time to play the game and forced everyone to decide to who vote for instead of hanging back forever. Nicely done.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:21 pm

Scoop, just curious, but why would they care what special you are? Dead is dead. They have no need to worry about dead specials.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:34 pm

Remus West wrote:Scoop, just curious, but why would they care what special you are? Dead is dead. They have no need to worry about dead specials.

Are you serious, Remus?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:05 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:Scoop, just curious, but why would they care what special you are? Dead is dead. They have no need to worry about dead specials.
Are you serious, Remus?

Very much so. Suppose they have another suspect they think might be special. They scan that player. Get the result they wanted and he dies. Get the result they did not and you die.

Personally, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. A bit. Because what happens if you are evil and want to make certain that you have a free shot at Unagi or some other special? Making a vague claim is a good way to try and get protection tonight leaving every other target free to get off'd. Had you not made a point of bringing it up again I would have thought nothing of it. The way you made certain to bring it back up screams of a call for protection. On a player we can not trust who has made a claim we can not verify. Strikes me as a questionable move at best.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:19 pm

purge · Post by **purge** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:28 pm

Remus West wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:Scoop, just curious, but why would they care what special you are? Dead is dead. They have no need to worry about dead specials.
Are you serious, Remus?
Very much so. Suppose they have another suspect they think might be special. They scan that player. Get the result they wanted and he dies. Get the result they did not and you die.

Personally, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. A bit. Because what happens if you are evil and want to make certain that you have a free shot at Unagi or some other special? Making a vague claim is a good way to try and get protection tonight leaving every other target free to get off'd. Had you not made a point of bringing it up again I would have thought nothing of it. The way you made certain to bring it back up screams of a call for protection. On a player we can not trust who has made a claim we can not verify. Strikes me as a questionable move at best.

There is a possibility that we've killed one or two of the little EC buggers. With a group of 11 and 2 kills, we have a 18% chance of randomly selecting an EC. Since these weren't random selections, I would hope that we've increased the odds (although I doubt it).

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:42 pm

Remus West wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Remus West wrote:Scoop, just curious, but why would they care what special you are? Dead is dead. They have no need to worry about dead specials.
Are you serious, Remus?
Very much so. Suppose they have another suspect they think might be special. They scan that player. Get the result they wanted and he dies. Get the result they did not and you die.

Personally, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. A bit. Because what happens if you are evil and want to make certain that you have a free shot at Unagi or some other special? Making a vague claim is a good way to try and get protection tonight leaving every other target free to get off'd. Had you not made a point of bringing it up again I would have thought nothing of it. The way you made certain to bring it back up screams of a call for protection. On a player we can not trust who has made a claim we can not verify. Strikes me as a questionable move at best.

Just a quick idea. Perhaps the end of this discussion can come in the morning.

purge · Post by **purge** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:49 pm

I'm sure the pair of them can take it offline into their own special subforum.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:56 pm

Response to Remus: Yeah, they could do it the way you described but then they would be killing me without knowing if I am REALLY a special. I have given no proof. Its true my play would have had more effect if they had not converted someone already but its still makes them make a choice.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:02 pm

Unagi, do you think I should announce my special role and what I have done so far this game?

So, its known to the group?

I have a strong suspicion I will be dead tomorrow and I won't be able to spill.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:12 pm

Just in case:

stessier
Scoop

and Purge, I'm have absolutely no clue as to what you were trying to say? What would it matter if we had killed 2 out of three of them? Scoop's play still would look like an effort to gain protection for the night, imo.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:23 pm

Remus West wrote:Just in case:

stessier
Scoop

and Purge, I'm have absolutely no clue as to what you were trying to say? What would it matter if we had killed 2 out of three of them? Scoop's play still would look like an effort to gain protection for the night, imo.

I was going to respond to your comment Remus but I'm not.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:26 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Unagi, do you think I should announce my special role and what I have done so far this game?

So, its known to the group?

I have a strong suspicion I will be dead tomorrow and I won't be able to spill.

To late for that. Either you get protection or you do not. If you claim a special role and are evil then the real role would be forced out giving you another target for the night. If you claim special and are special then you are taking away the sole advantage of your play by not forcing them to spend their scan.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:31 pm

Remus West wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Unagi, do you think I should announce my special role and what I have done so far this game?

So, its known to the group?

I have a strong suspicion I will be dead tomorrow and I won't be able to spill.
To late for that. Either you get protection or you do not. If you claim a special role and are evil then the real role would be forced out giving you another target for the night. If you claim special and are special then you are taking away the sole advantage of your play by not forcing them to spend their scan.

The reason I came out was so I wouldn't be lynched.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:34 pm

For the love of whatever is good in this world, please don't encourage Scoop to spoof any specific roles.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:36 pm

Austin wrote:For the love of whatever is good in this world, please don't encourage Scoop to spoof any specific roles.

Qualifier - Evil Scoop may spoof but I am talking about his shenaningans on the ship.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:38 pm

Austin wrote:
Austin wrote:For the love of whatever is good in this world, please don't encourage Scoop to spoof any specific roles.
Qualifier - Evil Scoop may spoof but I am talking about his shenaningans on the ship.

I learned from that lesson, Austin.