Star Wars WW - Game Over - Rebel Victory

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:34 pm

Also, I feel like we may be OK going for a quiet today - like Bubbles or stessier (or others), but - hey - looks like they avoided any day 1 action since we are this late into the day.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:50 pm

Votes

1 Lassr -----------------> Scoop20906
2 RMC ------------------> Chaosraven
3 Tru1cy --------------- > Unagi
4 Remus West ---------> Scoop20906
5 Qantaga --------------> Tru1cy
6 Newcastle ------------> Chaosraven
7 Mr. Bubbles ----------> Semaj
8 Theohall --------------> Chaosraven
9 Chaosraven ----------> Scoop20906
10 Scoop20906 ----------> Chaosraven
11 Coopasonic -----------> Chaosraven
12 El Guapo --------------> Unagi
13 Lord Mortis -----------> Scoop20906
14 Stessier ---------------> Scoop20906
15 Unagi ------------------> Triggercut
16 Pr0ner -----------------> Scoop20906
17 Semaj -----------------> Scoop20906
18 Kenetickid ------------> Chaosraven
19 Triggercut ------------> Chaosraven
20 Isgrimnur -------------> Triggercut
21 Grundbegriff ---------> Tru1cy

Unagi 1 <----------------- Tru1cy
Tru1cy 2 <---------------- Qantaga, Grundbegriff
Semaj 1 <----------------- Mr Bubbles
Scoop20906 7 <---------- Stessier, Lassr, Pr0ner, Remus West, Lord Mortis, Semaj, Chaosraven
Triggercut 2 <----------- Isgrimnur, Unagi
Chaosraven 8 <---------- Kenetickid, Triggercut, RMC, Coopasonic, Newcastle, Theohall, Scoop20906, El Guapo

Majority is 11
Deadline: July 13th 9PM EST

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:22 pm

Much skimming later, I am caught up. I am also happy with my vote. Someone who says he is not a Special is an excellent Day 1 lynch.

I think Trig should be scanned tonight.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:58 pm

triggercut wrote:
Remus West wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Remus West wrote:I'm pretty sure that somewhere it says if we do not reach majority by the deadline then we go to night with no lynch.
I can't find anywhere that says this explicitly, but I would assume it to be true.
Yeah, a quick read through looking at bb2112's posts showed me nothing of the sort so the question remains. I do find it interesting that people thought we went with the player who had the most votes. I can not remember playing that way before and (obviously) assumed we would simply miss out on our lynch attempt. Either way though my vote stands.
Remus, why are you assuming and finding interest as regards players in this game who didn't play in whatever game you're referring to?

I can not think of ANY game that we have played where the guy with the most votes got lynched at a deadline. Doesn't mean we haven't done it only that I can't think of one. Thus I find it interesting that the pair of you shared the same assumption regarding how the deadline would go down when your assumption was contrary not only to the most recent iteration but to all games of this ilk that I can easily recall.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:09 pm

Remus West wrote:I can not think of ANY game that we have played where the guy with the most votes got lynched at a deadline. Doesn't mean we haven't done it only that I can't think of one. Thus I find it interesting that the pair of you shared the same assumption regarding how the deadline would go down when your assumption was contrary not only to the most recent iteration but to all games of this ilk that I can easily recall.

Was there any game before Lassr's that had a deadline like this? I know Lassr's did - and my assumption was that it would work like Lassr's in terms of the game going to night when the deadline is hit - but if that was the first game with that rule then that might change my assessment of the reasonableness of that assumption.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:16 pm

I am really curious as to why Q still likes his tru1cy vote. tru1cy pretty much came out and claimed a protector role.

Also, triggercut ignores the possibility that Chaosraven IS Doku and thus can be certain if he is being spoofed. I doubt that is the case as even knowing he was being spoofed would not actually out who was doing it so wouldn't really net us much of anything.

That said, you folks suck. Keep voting Scoop - who I think is a Rebel (and not for the outburst but for the way the voting has gone against him) - or vote Chaosraven - who I don't think is a Rebel but if we take him out day one I get to live longer than him. I hate having tough decisions where I could go either way.

I really think we should lynch Scoop. Look at it this way. Suppose Scoop comes up Rebel. That makes the rush on Chaosraven very interesting. Suppose Scoop comes up Empire. That makes the group voting for him very interesting. Either way we gain. I expect to gain a dead Rebel.

bb2112 - are you listing the voters on a player in the order they voted for them? It looks to me like you are but I don't want to go back and check unless I have to.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:16 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Remus West wrote:I can not think of ANY game that we have played where the guy with the most votes got lynched at a deadline. Doesn't mean we haven't done it only that I can't think of one. Thus I find it interesting that the pair of you shared the same assumption regarding how the deadline would go down when your assumption was contrary not only to the most recent iteration but to all games of this ilk that I can easily recall.
Was there any game before Lassr's that had a deadline like this? I know Lassr's did - and my assumption was that it would work like Lassr's in terms of the game going to night when the deadline is hit - but if that was the first game with that rule then that might change my assessment of the reasonableness of that assumption.

There have been other deadline games.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:20 pm

Remus West wrote: bb2112 - are you listing the voters on a player in the order they voted for them? It looks to me like you are but I don't want to go back and check unless I have to.

Yes, votes are in order.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:26 pm

Remus West wrote:I am really curious as to why Q still likes his tru1cy vote. tru1cy pretty much came out and claimed a protector role.

I thought he came out and claimed a red shirt role... Which kinda suggests you aren't a red shirt.

Anyhoo, I'd be right there with you with all of the I won't vote for raven or scoop votes, only my batting average has been for shit with that approach. So while I don't understand it, I don't have an opinion (other than

) on vote protesting with low null explanation/play. But it's a prerogative and it seems to continue to work fairly well for self preservation.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:30 pm

I can see voting for Chaos or Scoop. I could also see voting for a more quiet person (tru1cy or KK would be my choices for this), but it's a tad late for getting a new bandwagon going.

In any event, with the deadline approaching the people who are still on 1 or 2 vote people ought to move off that this evening, or at the very least give a detailed justification for not doing so. Even moving to a different person who currently has 1 or 2 votes could be helpful as the start of a new (late) bandwagon.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:31 pm

Remus West wrote:Keep voting Scoop - who I think is a Rebel (and not for the outburst but for the way the voting has gone against him)

By "the way the voting has gone against him" are you referring to the whole Yoda debate? Or is there something else about the voting that you find suspicious?

edit: fixing broken quote tags.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:32 pm

Remus West wrote:I am really curious as to why Q still likes his tru1cy vote. tru1cy pretty much came out and claimed a protector role.

I must say, I missed that.
Then I must remark - why on earth would you want to point that out? (unless I missed something so obvious there is no shame in pointing it out)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:37 pm

Remus West wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Remus West wrote:I can not think of ANY game that we have played where the guy with the most votes got lynched at a deadline. Doesn't mean we haven't done it only that I can't think of one. Thus I find it interesting that the pair of you shared the same assumption regarding how the deadline would go down when your assumption was contrary not only to the most recent iteration but to all games of this ilk that I can easily recall.
Was there any game before Lassr's that had a deadline like this? I know Lassr's did - and my assumption was that it would work like Lassr's in terms of the game going to night when the deadline is hit - but if that was the first game with that rule then that might change my assessment of the reasonableness of that assumption.
There have been other deadline games.

My Ragnarök game had a deadline AND a forced lynch. - However, it was a very rare exception, from my recollection.

Ragnarök Rules wrote:A majority vote will close voting.
If the Day ends without a majority reached, the player with the most votes against them will be the winner
If the Day ends in a tie, the player that reached, and held their vote count first will be the winner

Majority, plurality, first to tie.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:38 pm

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:I am really curious as to why Q still likes his tru1cy vote. tru1cy pretty much came out and claimed a protector role.
I must say, I missed that.
Then I must remark - why on earth would you want to point that out? (unless I missed something so obvious there is no shame in pointing it out)

He said something along the lines of he served only to protect the Emperor. It was really blatant.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:40 pm

stessier wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:I am really curious as to why Q still likes his tru1cy vote. tru1cy pretty much came out and claimed a protector role.
I must say, I missed that.
Then I must remark - why on earth would you want to point that out? (unless I missed something so obvious there is no shame in pointing it out)
He said something along the lines of he served only to protect the Emperor. It was really blatant.

You realize the grunts are the emperor's royal guard right? He could simply be claiming a civilian role.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:41 pm

stessier wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:I am really curious as to why Q still likes his tru1cy vote. tru1cy pretty much came out and claimed a protector role.
I must say, I missed that.
Then I must remark - why on earth would you want to point that out? (unless I missed something so obvious there is no shame in pointing it out)
He said something along the lines of he served only to protect the Emperor. It was really blatant.

I noticed that, but that reads (assuming it's not just flavor) to be more like he's claiming to be a Royal Guard (aka a normal):

Emperor’s Royal Guard: You guys all look really cool. Just don’t kill the Emperor. That would be tacky and it will be really difficult to acquire future employment with that on your resume. “Yeah, we did a great job protecting the old guy right up until we all got together, took out our blasters, and blasted the crap out of the geezer.” Not cool. However, not to fret too much, you will still win if the Emperor is dead as long as you eliminate the rebel menace. If you can’t even manage to do that, then don’t worry about future employment. Everyone else is just collateral damage, therefore, who cares.

Those are the guys whose only job is to protect the emperor.

The only other "protector" role for the imperials is Rukh (I believe), and thematically at least he's about protecting Thrawn rather than the Emperor.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:41 pm

Sounds a bit like "the emperor's royal guard".

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:41 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Remus West wrote:Keep voting Scoop - who I think is a Rebel (and not for the outburst but for the way the voting has gone against him)
By "the way the voting has gone against him" are you referring to the whole Yoda debate? Or is there something else about the voting that you find suspicious?

edit: fixing broken quote tags.

I could care less about the tiny window that Yoda had to cast his vote in. I do not agree with triggercut that Yoda would have already asked about presetting his order but even if I did that would just make Scoop look even more like a Rebel. What I am talking about is the way the voting against him stalled out. It will be very hard to get to 11 votes on anyone that is Rebel today since the other Rebels will likely not be very interested in helping that process. Seems we got close on Scoop and folks bailed. Seems to me that screams Scoop is a Rebel. It also means if he comes up Rebel the folks who jumped ship become VERY interesting.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:42 pm

like..... triggercut, coop, etc.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:43 pm

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:I am really curious as to why Q still likes his tru1cy vote. tru1cy pretty much came out and claimed a protector role.
I must say, I missed that.
Then I must remark - why on earth would you want to point that out? (unless I missed something so obvious there is no shame in pointing it out)

Well, I thought it screamed it (thus I wasn't worried about pointing it out) but LordMortis took it a different way entirely. Either way, I don't mind putting it out there because if LordMortis was right then I haven't exposed anything and if I am right then I haven't exposed anyone who had not already done it to himself.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:45 pm

of course, I have a side theory that they jumped off that vote - so he didn't squeal special outright - (but Scoops hint was totally obvious, right?) - so that they could kill him overnight... That was why I was partly interested to just let that one go 'over-night'....

follow?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:46 pm

Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:I am really curious as to why Q still likes his tru1cy vote. tru1cy pretty much came out and claimed a protector role.
I must say, I missed that.
Then I must remark - why on earth would you want to point that out? (unless I missed something so obvious there is no shame in pointing it out)
Well, I thought it screamed it (thus I wasn't worried about pointing it out) but LordMortis took it a different way entirely. Either way, I don't mind putting it out there because if LordMortis was right then I haven't exposed anything and if I am right then I haven't exposed anyone who had not already done it to himself.

except if I was the wolf, and tru1cy the protector....; then you would have just handed him to me.... right? Cause, like I said, I missed it as a Protector Hint.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:46 pm

El Guapo wrote:The only other "protector" role for the imperials is Rukh (I believe), and thematically at least he's about protecting Thrawn rather than the Emperor.

Interesting that you mention Thrawn in the same sentence you proclaim there are no other "protector" roles for the Empire. Why did you ignore reading Thrawn's role?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:46 pm

...and we are quickly learning who aren't part of the guard...

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:47 pm

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:I am really curious as to why Q still likes his tru1cy vote. tru1cy pretty much came out and claimed a protector role.
I must say, I missed that.
Then I must remark - why on earth would you want to point that out? (unless I missed something so obvious there is no shame in pointing it out)
Well, I thought it screamed it (thus I wasn't worried about pointing it out) but LordMortis took it a different way entirely. Either way, I don't mind putting it out there because if LordMortis was right then I haven't exposed anything and if I am right then I haven't exposed anyone who had not already done it to himself.
except if I was the wolf, and tru1cy the protector....; then you would have just handed him to me.... right? Cause, like I said, I missed it as a Protector Hint.

Sure, except I read it as exceptionally blatant so wasn't worried about it until you admitted to being to thick to have seen it.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:48 pm

too thick.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:49 pm

Remus West wrote:I could care less about the tiny window that Yoda had to cast his vote in. I do not agree with triggercut that Yoda would have already asked about presetting his order but even if I did that would just make Scoop look even more like a Rebel. What I am talking about is the way the voting against him stalled out. It will be very hard to get to 11 votes on anyone that is Rebel today since the other Rebels will likely not be very interested in helping that process. Seems we got close on Scoop and folks bailed. Seems to me that screams Scoop is a Rebel. It also means if he comes up Rebel the folks who jumped ship become VERY interesting.

That's my thought as well. Only I also find it interesting that you dropped the ball on Tru1cy's claim.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:50 pm

Remus West wrote:
El Guapo wrote:The only other "protector" role for the imperials is Rukh (I believe), and thematically at least he's about protecting Thrawn rather than the Emperor.
Interesting that you mention Thrawn in the same sentence you proclaim there are no other "protector" roles for the Empire. Why did you ignore reading Thrawn's role?

Yeah, I just came back to note this. It's less that I didn't read it then I read it a week or two ago (whenever the game started). So I guess this reveals that I'm not Thrawn, for what that's worth (or a Thrawn who doesn't understand what he can do

). I think I got it mixed up because Rukh is, well, a bodyguard whereas Thrawn is an admiral, so I'd think that Rukh would be the straight protector.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:52 pm

Unagi wrote:too thick.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:55 pm

There is also the bb2112oba Fett role...
(I am pretty sure this role was born out of a dream of bb2112's, from his epic Protection of Theohall... )

One time during the game he can protect someone at night. If he guesses right and he protects that person from a rebel attack, he gets a free scan the next day. He will be told only loyal or rebel. If the scan turns out to be a rebel, then he can kill the rebel during the day. This attack will reveal his identity.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:10 pm

here's teh thing for me...i really dont see the run up on Scoop. I really dont. I saw it as a lark train at first. but somehow its changed into a serious bit...but i see a lack of evidence to really support a claim here. Call me dumb...but I dont see it and dont plan on voting that way. HOWEVEr, what i do see is a very serious slip that CR has made; pretty much admitting to us there is no R2d2 role nor yoda.

SO i am puzzled why so few of us are willing to run him up a flagpole when the train on scoop is really fluff and a lark at best. What am i missing here? Maybe there was no over vote on scoop, via the rebels, because those roles didnt exist...as CR slipped? Has that crossed anyones mind?

The other thing that s botehring me are the plethora of people who seem to be skating by on day 1...rmc, truicy, proner, semaj, bubbles....to name a few. I could easily vote for them to encourage them to talk. BUT...i really think we got a live wire with CR here.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:12 pm

Unagi wrote:There is also the bb2112oba Fett role...
(I am pretty sure this role was born out of a dream of bb2112's, from his epic Protection of Theohall... )

One time during the game he can protect someone at night. If he guesses right and he protects that person from a rebel attack, he gets a free scan the next day. He will be told only loyal or rebel. If the scan turns out to be a rebel, then he can kill the rebel during the day. This attack will reveal his identity.

We won that time.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:15 pm

The run up on Scoop was pretty much a lark. The stall out and bail to what seemed to be any other remotely interesting target is what convinced me.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:18 pm

Remus West wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Remus West wrote:Keep voting Scoop - who I think is a Rebel (and not for the outburst but for the way the voting has gone against him)
By "the way the voting has gone against him" are you referring to the whole Yoda debate? Or is there something else about the voting that you find suspicious?

edit: fixing broken quote tags.
I could care less about the tiny window that Yoda had to cast his vote in. I do not agree with triggercut that Yoda would have already asked about presetting his order but even if I did that would just make Scoop look even more like a Rebel. What I am talking about is the way the voting against him stalled out. It will be very hard to get to 11 votes on anyone that is Rebel today since the other Rebels will likely not be very interested in helping that process. Seems we got close on Scoop and folks bailed. Seems to me that screams Scoop is a Rebel. It also means if he comes up Rebel the folks who jumped ship become VERY interesting.

Remuscide strikes again.

Hey, if you wanna run me up the flagpole, bring it. It'll make for some very interesting vote analysis that reveals a whole batch of Rebels and/or a whole lot of dense Empire players and we'll just need to sort who belongs in which pile.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:26 pm

And how often do our first trains on day 1 really end up in a lynch? Isnt that what we do...run someone up, then jump off & analyze the data? With so little info we have right now, CR's slip is a helluva lot better bbit of information to run with than a stalled, first train of the game. Seriously? You're going to to put that above someone who pretty much admits to us that there is no yoda & r2d2 in the game. Thats as good as you get brother (said in a desmond scottish brogue).

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:28 pm

Newcastle wrote: SO i am puzzled why so few of us are willing to run him {CR} up a flagpole when the train on scoop is really fluff and a lark at best. What am i missing here? Maybe there was no over vote on scoop, via the rebels, because those roles didnt exist...as CR slipped? Has that crossed anyones mind?

Perhaps because CR is a rebel so the rebels aren't too excited to jump on that train. Of course the fact that we only have 8 votes when there are at least 12 imperials and we ought to get a couple rebels on there just for cover makes it seem like we should be able to get the votes on CR anyway. If anything, having a hard time getting the votes makes me even more suspicious of CR. I imagine a miss would be much easier.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:30 pm

I really wish I had read the thread in order. Instead I started with what had been posted since I read this morning, then went back and caught up, so I had the whole "chaos issue" interpreted before reading it for myself. I see what Trig is saying, but trying to put myself in the moment I find Chaos' quote harmless.

Scoop is a better choice. He's already said he's not a Special, so no threat in outing anyone. And he's proving tough to lynch. Move your votes to Scoop.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:33 pm

stessier wrote:I really wish I had read the thread in order. Instead I started with what had been posted since I read this morning, then went back and caught up, so I had the whole "chaos issue" interpreted before reading it for myself. I see what Trig is saying, but trying to put myself in the moment I find Chaos' quote harmless.

Scoop is a better choice. He's already said he's not a Special, so no threat in outing anyone. And he's proving tough to lynch. Move your votes to Scoop.

Scoop *flew* to N-1. He didn't prove tough to lynch, there's just no good justification for lynching him.

CRs statement may be innocent, but it sounds much more damning than anything Scoop said and his defense afterward made less sense than what I said.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:36 pm

Remus West wrote:The run up on Scoop was pretty much a lark. The stall out and bail to what seemed to be any other remotely interesting target is what convinced me.

Yeah, but your instincts in this game are awful. Just so you know.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:40 pm

stessier wrote:I really wish I had read the thread in order. Instead I started with what had been posted since I read this morning, then went back and caught up, so I had the whole "chaos issue" interpreted before reading it for myself. I see what Trig is saying, but trying to put myself in the moment I find Chaos' quote harmless.

Scoop is a better choice. He's already said he's not a Special, so no threat in outing anyone. And he's proving tough to lynch. Move your votes to Scoop.

pretty much thursday was jacked up....my post of noticign the off times...should be about 7 -10 posts later. i dont think it affects following the game...since i was following the game during that period. Nothing eaerthshattering as far as i can tell. The main thing is that the train zoomed up on scoop...and then he unleashed darth bieber which gave the train super turbo boosts.