Octopus Overlords

theohall wrote:I don't think a Mr Bubbles vote is going to reveal anything, but that is because I believe Chaosraven and stessier are evil.

Since no one seems to want to help finish the CR train - including Remus West and bb2112 which is odd - I will move to:

 stessier 
 

Hold him there until n-1 and I'll happily finish him. You also went back to him then left in between times I checked in. Hard to push him further when you do that. Not that I really intend to push him forward. redrun jumping onto him as soon as his own name got highlighted makes me think he was looking for the easy lynch and CR had the most other votes at the time.

Is that specific to me or would you also finish off Bubbles were he at N-1?

Remus West wrote:
Saying we have "information" from redrun is stupid. Your statement comparing it to lynching an uncontested Seer is also stupid. Even if he is telling the truth he doesn't get to use the same card every day. It is a one shot deal. Lynching the Seer is silly because of the potential for future return. This is not even close to the same thing.

No, it is not stupid. It is fact. We got information from redrun. Now whether it is good information is to be seen. That is why it is exactly like lynching an uncontested seer. The village had information. Instead of trying to figure out whether it was good information by waiting a day or two to let it sort itself out, a wolf convinced the village to lynch the uncontested seer. THAT WAS STUPID.

You are trying to confuse people with idiotic logic.

Remus West wrote:

bb2112 wrote:I am not blind to the possibility of RR being a wolf, but come on, we at least have some info on him. We just need a day or 2 to prove him either through scan or a night death. Why are we proposing to do the wolves job for them?

How about this. I scanned Chaosraven and he is not a wolf.

Now, obviously that is a lie on my part but you really have nothing to differentiate that statement from the one redrun made. Suppose Chaosraven IS a wolf. Do you think he is going to call me out on it? Nope. Suppose Chaosraven is a villager. Do you think he is going to know if I actually used a card or not? Nope.

Saying we have "information" from redrun is stupid. Your statement comparing it to lynching an uncontested Seer is also stupid. Even if he is telling the truth he doesn't get to use the same card every day. It is a one shot deal. Lynching the Seer is silly because of the potential for future return. This is not even close to the same thing.

redrun's situation is different than the one you describe.

- You did not voluntarily claim that Chaos is not a wolf.
- redrun is claiming to have used a specific card.
- The game conditions for playing that card were met as he claimed them to be.
- Of course, the wolves could have that card and know they are safe in claiming it, but why would they?
- If they don't have the card, they risk being contradicted by a villager holding that specific card.
- If they do have the card, why would they want to clear a villager from the lynch pool?

Now, given I am the only one who knows for certain that I am a villager, but let's disregard that for now.

If redrun is a wolf, there are only two possibilities:

A. (Hypothetically) He is a wolf and is announcing Qantaga as a villager. In this case the Spartacus card is moot because as a wolf, he knows for certain that I am a villager. Why wouldn't a redrunwolf sit on any Mind's Eye information they learned if the wolves are in possession of it? Or why would a redrunwolf try to spoof ownership of that card if they're not in possession of it? I mentioned this earlier, but realistically, is it in the wolves' best interest to further reduce the pool or lynch candidates (especially since theohall had previously named bb as a villager) even further on Day 1 or to keep the lynch pool as broad as possible? They would be reducing their own hiding places, which seems counterintuitive to their survival instinct.

B. (Hypothetically) He is a wolf and I am a wolf. That would be an extremely risky Day 1 play to tote two wolves up for scrutiny on Day 1. Yes, it's possible (and these games have become very sophisticated), but the risk/reward doesn't seem worth it for wolves to make this play. Even Austin's "risky" play on Day 1 last game was a villager play and not a wolf one.

So, redrun does give us more "information" than you claim it does. We have data to base a decision on as the game continues, depending on whether redrun turns up dead or alive tomorrow (or on future) mornings. Lynching him today risks taking that decision out of the wolves' hands, if redrun is good.

Remus West wrote:

bb2112 wrote:I am not blind to the possibility of RR being a wolf, but come on, we at least have some info on him. We just need a day or 2 to prove him either through scan or a night death. Why are we proposing to do the wolves job for them?

How about this. I scanned Chaosraven and he is not a wolf.

Now, obviously that is a lie on my part but you really have nothing to differentiate that statement from the one redrun made. Suppose Chaosraven IS a wolf. Do you think he is going to call me out on it? Nope. Suppose Chaosraven is a villager. Do you think he is going to know if I actually used a card or not? Nope.

Is he going to know if you actually used a card or not... really, I think that depends on: does someone step forward to say "Hey, you said you have this card but instead I do", or on a future turn does someone steps forward to say: "Hey, you said you played this one use card, but here it is still available".

Someone else will have to come up with the logic map for faking a one use card. I don't see how anyone would get away with it.

Heh for a moment I thought Remus really was claiming he scanned me. Then to see his offer to finish me off at N-1 confused the hell out of me.

Newcastle ---------- kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ----- Chaosraven ----- stessier
BB2112 ---------- Remus West ----- Remus West. ----- Newcastle ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
theohall ---------- stessier ----- Chasoraven ----- RMC ----- Chaosraven ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- stessier -----
kraegor ---------- Remus West ----- Chasoraven ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- redrun ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
El Guapo ---------- Remus West ----- kraegor ----- RMC ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
stessier ---------- Mr. Bubbles ----- RMC ----- redrun ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
triggercut ---------- El Guapo ----- Remus West ----- RMC ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Chaosraven ---------- bb2112 ----- redrun ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Qantaga ---------- theohall ----- stessier ----- Newcastle ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
RMC ---------- Remus West ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
redrun ---------- Qantaga ----- Chasoraven ----- Newcastle ----- Chaosraven ----- ----- ----- -----
Mr. Bubbles ---------- Chaosraven ----- stessier ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
.
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Mr. Bubbles -4 -------- bb2112, El Guapo, RMC, stessier
stessier -3 ---------- Newcastle, theohall, Mr. Bubbles
Chaosraven -2 ---------- kraegor, redrun
redrun -2 --------- Remus West, Chaosraven
RMC -1 ---------- triggercut
Newcastle -1 ---------- Qantaga

Majority = 7

Newcastle wrote:not sure what in my play's giving you the willies Q....would like to know whats set you off, and perhaps i can address it to mollify your concerns...

- Your self vote seems contrived. You know that I am firmly entrenched in my belief that the self-vote never helps the village, especially after the last game. Newcastlevillager would realize that and not deliberately cast a "Hey Q" self-vote, while Newcastlewolf would be inclined to post the mocking self-vote in an "I self-voted last game as a villager, so I must be a villager again" ploy.

- bb, redrun, and I voted against you. bb and redrun are the two players that I have most in the "villager" category, based solely on Day 1 events. Yet, no one else joined in on the vote. Wouldn't a wolf or two wander along to vote on Newcastlevillager in hopes of reaching majority on an innocent? Yet, even though several others have mentioned that you are on their threat radar, there were no further votes on you.

- You thought you had identified a suspicious train against Remus, yet you completely ignored those who were participating in the Remus "train" in your voting.

- Your need to "mollify" my concerns. You have been very clear that the only reason you aren't casting a vote on me is because of redrun's claim of playing Mind's Eye on me, yet your desire to mollify my concerns indicates that you know I'm good. Why would you care about "mollifying" someone you thought to be a wolf? Yet, If you think I'm good, based on redrun's claim (which would drive a desire to "mollify" me), why would you continue to poke at me as being "quiet?" If you need to mollify me, you believe I'm good, yet your continual poke at me for being quiet is at cross purposes to that and looks like an attempt to cast suspicion on me on a future day (if you decide to kill bb/theo/redrun instead of me tonight).

redrun wrote:

Remus West wrote:

bb2112 wrote:I am not blind to the possibility of RR being a wolf, but come on, we at least have some info on him. We just need a day or 2 to prove him either through scan or a night death. Why are we proposing to do the wolves job for them?

How about this. I scanned Chaosraven and he is not a wolf.

Now, obviously that is a lie on my part but you really have nothing to differentiate that statement from the one redrun made. Suppose Chaosraven IS a wolf. Do you think he is going to call me out on it? Nope. Suppose Chaosraven is a villager. Do you think he is going to know if I actually used a card or not? Nope.

Is he going to know if you actually used a card or not... really, I think that depends on: does someone step forward to say "Hey, you said you have this card but instead I do", or on a future turn does someone steps forward to say: "Hey, you said you played this one use card, but here it is still available".

Someone else will have to come up with the logic map for faking a one use card. I don't see how anyone would get away with it.

Cards are dealt out randomly every day and there is no guarantee they will all be dealt out over the course of the game. Thus, someone claiming use of a one use card may quite easily never be caught.

stessier wrote:Cards are dealt out randomly every day and there is no guarantee they will all be dealt out over the course of the game. Thus, someone claiming use of a one use card may quite easily never be caught.

Even so, over the course of a multiple day game, the odds favor a card appearing at least once. Why would a wolf risk that card popping up and immediately exposing their lie, maybe even at a more crucial time in the game?

The only redrunwolf scenario that makes sense is if the wolves possess Mind's Eye today. But, even that defies logic, when there was no need for redrunwolf to broadcast that I'm a villager, with an already reduced (bb/theo) lynch pool.

Qantaga wrote:

stessier wrote:Cards are dealt out randomly every day and there is no guarantee they will all be dealt out over the course of the game. Thus, someone claiming use of a one use card may quite easily never be caught.

Even so, over the course of a multiple day game, the odds favor a card appearing at least once. Why would a wolf risk that card popping up and immediately exposing their lie, maybe even at a more crucial time in the game?

The only redrunwolf scenario that makes sense is if the wolves possess Mind's Eye today. But, even that defies logic, when there was no need for redrunwolf to broadcast that I'm a villager, with an already reduced (bb/theo) lynch pool.

Not true. The only scenarios that make sense to me are redrun actually having the card and using it on a human as Remus described or on a wolf. Either is equally difficult to detect.

Lynching him would define what we know about bb2112 and, if human, would likely guarantee his death tonight. The only time that would be bad is if bb2112 is the Seer. I'm fine risking that.

Qantaga wrote:

Newcastle wrote:not sure what in my play's giving you the willies Q....would like to know whats set you off, and perhaps i can address it to mollify your concerns...

- Your self vote seems contrived. You know that I am firmly entrenched in my belief that the self-vote never helps the village, especially after the last game. Newcastlevillager would realize that and not deliberately cast a "Hey Q" self-vote, while Newcastlewolf would be inclined to post the mocking self-vote in an "I self-voted last game as a villager, so I must be a villager again" ploy.

- bb, redrun, and I voted against you. bb and redrun are the two players that I have most in the "villager" category, based solely on Day 1 events. Yet, no one else joined in on the vote. Wouldn't a wolf or two wander along to vote on Newcastlevillager in hopes of reaching majority on an innocent? Yet, even though several others have mentioned that you are on their threat radar, there were no further votes on you.

- You thought you had identified a suspicious train against Remus, yet you completely ignored those who were participating in the Remus "train" in your voting.

- Your need to "mollify" my concerns. You have been very clear that the only reason you aren't casting a vote on me is because of redrun's claim of playing Mind's Eye on me, yet your desire to mollify my concerns indicates that you know I'm good. Why would you care about "mollifying" someone you thought to be a wolf? Yet, If you think I'm good, based on redrun's claim (which would drive a desire to "mollify" me), why would you continue to poke at me as being "quiet?" If you need to mollify me, you believe I'm good, yet your continual poke at me for being quiet is at cross purposes to that and looks like an attempt to cast suspicion on me on a future day (if you decide to kill bb/theo/redrun instead of me tonight).

a. my self vote was extremely contrived and was a ...haha lets laugh off my last game self vote (which wasnt the best move) and move forward type of exchange...sorry you saw more in it.....

b. wolf vote on newcastle - unless there already was one (ie the spartacus card); or maybe they think i can easily get lynched (to be honest getting a train on me aint hard...since i am kind of a out of the box player (without the mad skillz)...cant say if there was or wasnt but i cant imagine it would be hard to get a train on me...

c. teh train of: El Guapo, bb2112, RMC, triggercut & kraeggor....havent forgotten about em at all.....would you like my thoughts on em (probably not)....you do realize we have 3 wolves here right.....anyway
elg - very unsure of him; participation ebbs and flows...dont like some of the things he's said...laying low...not adding much....
BB - gets a hall pass for today...but am actually leaning toward good long term
RMC - the great houdini...bam hops on the Remus train...the *poof* disappears. could he be playing the quiet wolf?
Triggercut - smells like an opportunistic vote actuallly; though he's done a bit to ease those concerns...i still have issues with him...just dont feel right...doint feel like triggercut ya know...
kraegor - started off hermit crab like...but has kicked off hte participation a bit more...BUT....a 5th vote on a seemingly speedy train...smells fishy, and i dont liek it...

just because i havent gone after em...doesnt mean i wont (if i survive of course...disclaimer)...so ya see...out of 5 of em....i dont think highly of 4 of em....so lets see where pushing in another direction leads ya know...to like kick up some info...

d. aint mollify an awesome word....better yet......coming to you on bended knee got you to participate more...which is what i wanted.....because if i had to choose between you and BB having played the spartacus card....i'd place money it was you....but lets flip that around.....and lets just say you are innocent.....doesnt your being super quiet hurt the villager? how is that seriously helping us? but if you are a wolf who used the spartacus card (which you have to admit is a possibility)..its easy to fade into the background and let things happen... and we let you skate without really participating....see where i am going? just because i wont vote for you today, dont mean i wont vote for you in the future...and when i do reach that decission making process....i want a bit of Q paper trail to follow...feel me?

-also maybe i am paying more attention to it...since you've been super active being a puerto rico plantation owner...but have done your best imitation of a tree here...

WW games...giving paranoia a workout!

stessier wrote:

Qantaga wrote:The only redrunwolf scenario that makes sense is if the wolves possess Mind's Eye today. But, even that defies logic, when there was no need for redrunwolf to broadcast that I'm a villager, with an already reduced (bb/theo) lynch pool.

Not true. The only scenarios that make sense to me are redrun actually having the card and using it on a human as Remus described or on a wolf. Either is equally difficult to detect.

What part of what I said are you labeling as not true? It seems to me that we are agreeing. You are claiming that the only scenario that makes sense is if redrun actually has the card. I am saying that the only redrunwolf scenario that makes sense is if the wolves which would (by its very nature) include redrun. (If you think redrun is a villager, then why in the world would you want to lynch him in lieu of trying to find a wolf?)

stessier wrote:Lynching him would define what we know about bb2112 and, if human, would likely guarantee his death tonight. The only time that would be bad is if bb2112 is the Seer. I'm fine risking that.

Don't you mean that you would be fine risking me being the Seer?

Newcastle wrote:if you are a wolf who used the spartacus card (which you have to admit is a possibility)

Okay, that gave me a good laugh. You really think I have been reticent about the possibility of me (or bb) playing the Spartacus card?

Qantaga wrote:

stessier wrote:

Qantaga wrote:The only redrunwolf scenario that makes sense is if the wolves possess Mind's Eye today. But, even that defies logic, when there was no need for redrunwolf to broadcast that I'm a villager, with an already reduced (bb/theo) lynch pool.

Not true. The only scenarios that make sense to me are redrun actually having the card and using it on a human as Remus described or on a wolf. Either is equally difficult to detect.

What part of what I said are you labeling as not true? It seems to me that we are agreeing. You are claiming that the only scenario that makes sense is if redrun actually has the card. I am saying that the only redrunwolf scenario that makes sense is if the wolves possess the card today, which would (by its very nature) include redrun. (If you think redrun is a villager, then why in the world would you want to lynch him in lieu of trying to find a wolf?)

Quoted to clarify by adding the bolded section.

POST COUNT UP till my last post:

Newcastle - 56
Chaosraven - 53
BB2112 - 51
stessier - 48
theohall - 43
Mr. Bubbles - 35
Remus West - 33
Qantaga - 32
triggercut - 26
El Guapo - 24
RMC - 20
kraegor - 17
redrun - 14

 withdraw redrun 
 



I believe the Bad Guys to be in:

Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles

Newcastle wrote:POST COUNT UP till my last post:

Newcastle - 56
Chaosraven - 53
BB2112 - 51
stessier - 48
theohall - 43
Mr. Bubbles - 35
Remus West - 33
Qantaga - 32
triggercut - 26
El Guapo - 24
RMC - 20
kraegor - 17
redrun - 14

Hahahahahahahaha

Now I have to go back and see who was claiming I was too quiet.

Chaosraven wrote: withdraw redrun 
 



I believe the Bad Guys to be in:

Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles

Ah dammit, I had like a paragraph on why, too.
BASICS: Remus Vote, the Four "Villagers", trig and el g on intuition from their discussion.
Man, it looked so much cooler with all that shit I put in there.

Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles

==================

Newcastle ---------- kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ----- Chaosraven ----- stessier
Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- redrun ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
stessier ---------- Mr. Bubbles ----- RMC ----- redrun ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
Mr. Bubbles ---------- Chaosraven ----- stessier ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----

Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles

I actually like that list of possible wolves. I might include you as well Chaos, but after re-reading the first half of day one...I am leaning towards these four, as well as maybe El Guapo to..

While I still don't quite fully understand why we pulled off RMC, I guess for now that's going nowhere.

I've had big suspicions about Mr Bubbles all game, and have voiced them previously.

I'm willing to entertain that philosophy a bit more, and see what happens if Mr Bubbles goes to N-2.

 Mr Bubbles 
 

RMC wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles

I actually like that list of possible wolves. I might include you as well Chaos, but after re-reading the first half of day one...I am leaning towards these four, as well as maybe El Guapo to..

I would presume anyone working off my notes would replace their own name with mine.

 Mr Bubbles 
 

If people are willing to lynch Mr B, I suggest we have El G use the Deadline card before that last vote.

RMC wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles

I actually like that list of possible wolves. I might include you as well Chaos, but after re-reading the first half of day one...I am leaning towards these four, as well as maybe El Guapo to..

Going with the "why would..." el g gets a semi-villager checkmark for Stating he has the Deadline Card, and not using it secretly.

Chaosraven wrote:

RMC wrote:

Chaosraven wrote:Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles

I actually like that list of possible wolves. I might include you as well Chaos, but after re-reading the first half of day one...I am leaning towards these four, as well as maybe El Guapo to..

Going with the "why would..." el g gets a semi-villager checkmark for Stating he has the Deadline Card, and not using it secretly.

He told me he had it prior to everyone else when I used my PM card. So he had already told me...He might have told me and then thought better of it, but because I knew already he had to tell..As I knew it prior to everyone else..

But I am most likely just pissy about him, since I used my PM card on him and he still voted for me..

Chaosraven wrote: Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles

bb2112 wrote: Remus West
Kraegor
Mr. Bubbles
Stessier

Very interesting...

bb2112 wrote:

Chaosraven wrote: Newcastle
Remus West
stessier
Mr. Bubbles

bb2112 wrote: Remus West
Kraegor
Mr. Bubbles
Stessier

Very interesting...

No fair copying one another's homework.

Newcastle ---------- kraegor ----- Qantaga ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- Newcastle ----- stessier ----- Chaosraven ----- stessier
BB2112 ---------- Remus West ----- Remus West. ----- Newcastle ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
theohall ---------- stessier ----- Chasoraven ----- RMC ----- Chaosraven ----- redrun ----- Chaosraven ----- stessier -----
kraegor ---------- Remus West ----- Chasoraven ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Remus West ---------- bb2112 ----- redrun ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
El Guapo ---------- Remus West ----- kraegor ----- RMC ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
stessier ---------- Mr. Bubbles ----- RMC ----- redrun ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
triggercut ---------- El Guapo ----- Remus West ----- RMC ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- -----
Chaosraven ---------- bb2112 ----- redrun ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Qantaga ---------- theohall ----- stessier ----- Newcastle ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
RMC ---------- Remus West ----- Mr. Bubbles ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
redrun ---------- Qantaga ----- Chasoraven ----- Newcastle ----- Chaosraven ----- ----- ----- -----
Mr. Bubbles ---------- Chaosraven ----- stessier ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
.
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Mr. Bubbles -6 -------- bb2112, El Guapo, RMC, stessier, triggercut, chaosraven
stessier -3 ---------- Newcastle, theohall, Mr. Bubbles
Chaosraven -2 ---------- kraegor, redrun
redrun -1 --------- Remus West
Newcastle -1 ---------- Qantaga

Majority = 7

I aint voting bubbles today...sorry he was one of hte ones who's leaning good on my list...someone else is gonna have to do the 'scoopin'.

If a train runs back around on stessier or CR, or anyone else who was on the remus train (minus BB) i'd be open for voting for em..

Remus West wrote:

theohall wrote:I don't think a Mr Bubbles vote is going to reveal anything, but that is because I believe Chaosraven and stessier are evil.

Since no one seems to want to help finish the CR train - including Remus West and bb2112 which is odd - I will move to:

 stessier 
 

Hold him there until n-1 and I'll happily finish him. You also went back to him then left in between times I checked in. Hard to push him further when you do that. Not that I really intend to push him forward. redrun jumping onto him as soon as his own name got highlighted makes me think he was looking for the easy lynch and CR had the most other votes at the time.

He had never gotten to N-1. Someone, how about you this time, actually put him at N-1 if I go back and see if someone will actually lynch him.

And the three folks I trust least are all on the Mr Bubbles vote.

Bubbles at N-1.

With overvote cards possibly out there (I don't have one), I'm pulling my vote back until we can give Bubs a chance to speak.

 withdraw Mr Bubbles 
 

Qantaga wrote:

stessier wrote:Cards are dealt out randomly every day and there is no guarantee they will all be dealt out over the course of the game. Thus, someone claiming use of a one use card may quite easily never be caught.

Even so, over the course of a multiple day game, the odds favor a card appearing at least once. Why would a wolf risk that card popping up and immediately exposing their lie, maybe even at a more crucial time in the game?

The only redrunwolf scenario that makes sense is if the wolves possess Mind's Eye today. But, even that defies logic, when there was no need for redrunwolf to broadcast that I'm a villager, with an already reduced (bb/theo) lynch pool.

How does that defy logic? Seriously, what do you expect the wolves to be doing other than trying to appear helpful without really being helpful. You can bet 100% that were I a wolf with a scan card I would use it on someone and, depending on the results, report the use of the card and some sort of results to the village. Doing so allows the wolves to plant a lie - whatever they want us to think the results were as well as the lie by omission of what they may very well have really been - while giving us enough truth - "Hey guys, I used this village beneficial card" - to seem like they are helping.

You will note that I have not really questioned the scan of bb2112 or you but rather am questioning the trustworthy nature of one of the people claiming to have scanned. To me, theohall has looked like normal villager theohall. To me, redrun has looked like a wolf playing a long range game and trying to set me up. The claim of scan means jack to me.

bb2112's assertion that this is like lynching the Seer is idiotic. You do not lynch the Seer because of the potential for FUTURE information not because of anything he has done that day. Card users possess no more or less potential for future information than any other (non-Seer) player.

theo, I'm less inclined to vote Chaosraven currently due to redrun voting there and seeming to try and use that vote as a way of redirecting momentum away from himself. I'd probably still off him if he gets to n-1 though simply because I couldn't resist and it might actually get some folks to listen regarding redrun if Chaosraven turns up villager.

Welp.. congratulations.. you've just outed the seer. Yay team. I've played exactly the way I always have and got burned for it.

Interesting. Will anyone counter?

 withdraw Bubbles 
 

Mr Bubbles wrote:I've played exactly the way I always have and got burned for it.

I don't know why you think that matters. Silence will get you burned more times than it won't.

stessier wrote: Will anyone counter?

Seriously stess? With three wolves, it would be foolhardy for a real seer to counter. (And you know it).

 withdraw Mr Bubbles 
 

 withdraw Bubbles 
 
well, will he get grynched?