The Former Trump Presidency Thread

[Chrisoc13]

I honestly cannot believe he is still going off about Hamilton. Ridiculous. Step away from twitter Trump. Most people should honestly tweet very little, I don't understand how they can't see that.

[malchior]

I honestly cannot believe he is still going off about Hamilton. Ridiculous. Step away from twitter Drumpf. Most people should honestly tweet very little, I don't understand how they can't see that.

Unfortunately this is his pattern - mildly 'criticize' him and he throws a tantrum. He will become Presidential any day now.

[tgb]

Well done.

In other news, Trump has settled the Trump University lawsuit for 25 million dollars. I'm guessing part of the terms of the settlement is that he doesn't have to admit fault...

I take it then that if the only reason Clinton settled with Paula Jones was his obvious guilt, we can come to the same conclusion here?

[Smoove_B]

Unfortunately this is his pattern - mildly 'criticize' him and he throws a tantrum. He will become Presidential any day now.

Now he's demanding "equal time" after being portrayed in an unflattering light (again) on SNL last night. This is the man that's going to be in the White House in two months. Holy crap.

[Zarathud]

Making fun of the President is a comedy staple. Wait until Trump faces his own birther movement.

[killbot737]

"Jamaica" does appear on his birth certificate. In old-timey typewriter letters, no less.

[$iljanus]

Unfortunately this is his pattern - mildly 'criticize' him and he throws a tantrum. He will become Presidential any day now.

Now he's demanding "equal time" after being portrayed in an unflattering light (again) on SNL last night. This is the man that's going to be in the White House in two months. Holy crap.

I think he's confusing SNL with Meet The Press...

[Freyland]

Unfortunately this is his pattern - mildly 'criticize' him and he throws a tantrum. He will become Presidential any day now.

Now he's demanding "equal time" after being portrayed in an unflattering light (again) on SNL last night. This is the man that's going to be in the White House in two months. Holy crap.

Smoove, you're not mentioning the most important part. He said equal time "for us". Us? Who is "Us" if not us when discussing our leader. Foreshadowing, People!

[Blackhawk]

It's the royal plural.

[Rip]

Well I guess showings of Hamilton will now be all the rage for assholes to protest/celebrate the election.

Might have been a better idea to keep your business focused on business, but I'm sure it will work out well.

An audience disruption took place at the Saturday evening production of "Hamilton" at the PrivateBank Theatre in downtown Chicago.

According to audience member Brea Hayes of Batavia, who was at the performance, an audience member seated in the front of the balcony shouted profanities and election-related political statements after the cast sang the line, "Immigrants / We get the job done," which is part of the show's "Yorktown (The World Turned Upside Down)" number.

That lyric is among the most overtly political references in the show and generally gets a big reaction from the audience.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... n,amp.html

[geezer]

Well I guess showings of Hamilton will now be all the rage for assholes to protest/celebrate the election.

Might have been a better idea to keep your business focused on business, but I'm sure it will work out well.

An audience disruption took place at the Saturday evening production of "Hamilton" at the PrivateBank Theatre in downtown Chicago.

According to audience member Brea Hayes of Batavia, who was at the performance, an audience member seated in the front of the balcony shouted profanities and election-related political statements after the cast sang the line, "Immigrants / We get the job done," which is part of the show's "Yorktown (The World Turned Upside Down)" number.

That lyric is among the most overtly political references in the show and generally gets a big reaction from the audience.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... n,amp.html

The line gets a great reaction. Unless your a nationalistic xenophobic asshole.

[Pyperkub]

Well I guess showings of Hamilton will now be all the rage for assholes to protest/celebrate the election.

Might have been a better idea to keep your business focused on business, but I'm sure it will work out well.

An audience disruption took place at the Saturday evening production of "Hamilton" at the PrivateBank Theatre in downtown Chicago.

According to audience member Brea Hayes of Batavia, who was at the performance, an audience member seated in the front of the balcony shouted profanities and election-related political statements after the cast sang the line, "Immigrants / We get the job done," which is part of the show's "Yorktown (The World Turned Upside Down)" number.

That lyric is among the most overtly political references in the show and generally gets a big reaction from the audience.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... n,amp.html

The line gets a great reaction. Unless your a nationalistic xenophobic asshole.

Yeah, their audience isn't Trump voters.

[Rip]

Well I guess showings of Hamilton will now be all the rage for assholes to protest/celebrate the election.

Might have been a better idea to keep your business focused on business, but I'm sure it will work out well.

An audience disruption took place at the Saturday evening production of "Hamilton" at the PrivateBank Theatre in downtown Chicago.

According to audience member Brea Hayes of Batavia, who was at the performance, an audience member seated in the front of the balcony shouted profanities and election-related political statements after the cast sang the line, "Immigrants / We get the job done," which is part of the show's "Yorktown (The World Turned Upside Down)" number.

That lyric is among the most overtly political references in the show and generally gets a big reaction from the audience.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... n,amp.html

The line gets a great reaction. Unless your a nationalistic xenophobic asshole.

Yeah, their audience isn't Trump voters.

I agree for the most part. Except now they have Trumpers flash mob protesting outside. Some of the few that did have tickets are possibly going to be drunk asshole protesters like this guy was. Just saying from a business standpoint I would be averse to encouraging political displays pro or con. Most people go out to be entertained and they are trying to get away from all the political tension and worries. Robbing them of that escape is not IMHO a good business plan.

[geezer]

Well I guess showings of Hamilton will now be all the rage for assholes to protest/celebrate the election.

Might have been a better idea to keep your business focused on business, but I'm sure it will work out well.

An audience disruption took place at the Saturday evening production of "Hamilton" at the PrivateBank Theatre in downtown Chicago.

According to audience member Brea Hayes of Batavia, who was at the performance, an audience member seated in the front of the balcony shouted profanities and election-related political statements after the cast sang the line, "Immigrants / We get the job done," which is part of the show's "Yorktown (The World Turned Upside Down)" number.

That lyric is among the most overtly political references in the show and generally gets a big reaction from the audience.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... n,amp.html

The line gets a great reaction. Unless your a nationalistic xenophobic asshole.

Yeah, their audience isn't Trump voters.

I agree for the most part. Except now they have Trumpers flash mob protesting outside. Some of the few that did have tickets are possibly going to be drunk asshole protesters like this guy was. Just saying from a business standpoint I would be averse to encouraging political displays pro or con. Most people go out to be entertained and they are trying to get away from all the political tension and worries. Robbing them of that escape is not IMHO a good business plan.

If we're having a serious conversation about this, that's great. I've seen the show, and the whole damn thing is political. The show wouldn't be what it is otherwise - the politics are inseparable from the show. Now I'll give that much of the contemporary political commentary is more subtle than the line in question, but Hamilton the show can't operate outside of the political statements.

His last show - In the Heights - while not as overtly political, was just as socially reflective. It's what Miranda does.

[Holman]

I agree for the most part. Except now they have Trumpers flash mob protesting outside. Some of the few that did have tickets are possibly going to be drunk asshole protesters like this guy was. Just saying from a business standpoint I would be averse to encouraging political displays pro or con. Most people go out to be entertained and they are trying to get away from all the political tension and worries. Robbing them of that escape is not IMHO a good business plan.

*Nobody* is going to Hamilton to get away from politics. It's a show entirely about race, history, and identity in America. Politics are central to it, and "escape" is not on the menu.

Even leaving aside this particular show, New York theater has a long tradition of engaging with issues of the day. Think The Crucible, not The Lion King. Audiences know this, and artists have no obligation whatsoever to accommodate particular audience members who don't know it.

Live theater is not the movies.

[Chrisoc13]

If I ever haha to get tickets to this and some idiot ruins it... I swear... I love the music of this musical and can't wait to go see it.

[Blackhawk]

You're surprised that artists aren't primarily concerned with business, Rip?

[geezer]

I agree for the most part. Except now they have Trumpers flash mob protesting outside. Some of the few that did have tickets are possibly going to be drunk asshole protesters like this guy was. Just saying from a business standpoint I would be averse to encouraging political displays pro or con. Most people go out to be entertained and they are trying to get away from all the political tension and worries. Robbing them of that escape is not IMHO a good business plan.

*Nobody* is going to Hamilton to get away from politics. It's a show entirely about race, history, and identity in America. Politics are central to it, and "escape" is not on the menu.

Even leaving aside this particular show, New York theater has a long tradition of engaging with issues of the day. Think The Crucible, not The Lion King. Audiences know this, and artists have no obligation whatsoever to accommodate particular audience members who don't know it.

Live theater is not the movies.

Lion King was overtly political as well. IIRC, there was a directive that primarily people of color were to be cast, as in a show set in and about Africa it would be disrespectful to do otherwise.

[Defiant]

Pretty sad that the guy who wants me electrocuted, and wants funerals for abortions, is acting more presidential than Trump.

[hepcat]

His business conflicts are already causing issues.

If anyone thinks Trump will step away from his business, they're fooling themselves. He is already showing signs of doing the exact same thing he lambasted Clinton for. He's selling meetings to any world leader or foreign business interest with an open checkbook before he's even sworn in.

[$iljanus]

His business conflicts are already causing issues.

If anyone thinks Trump will step away from his business, they're fooling themselves. He is already showing signs of doing the exact same thing he lambasted Clinton for. He's selling meetings to any world leader or foreign business interest with an open checkbook before he's even sworn in.

I guess if we all get rich it won't really matter. (oh Lord I weep for our country...)

[Defiant]

Donald wants to hear from YOU

How important a priority should it be to set up internment camps for anyone who is not a Straight White Christians?
- Highly Important
- Somewhat Important
- Not Important
- No Opinion

[RunningMn9]

It's incredibly important. So important that the person elected to do it doesn't actually know what to do and needs you to tell him.

[Dogstar]

"There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader." - Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin

[tjg_marantz]

As someone on Twitter said, You think Mike Pence at Hamilton was awkward? Wait till Steve Bannon goes to see The Diary of Anne Frank.

[Grifman]

Pretty sad that the guy who wants me electrocuted, and wants funerals for abortions, is acting more presidential than Trump.

Neither is really true:

http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-suppor ... n-therapy/

http://www.snopes.com/pence-law-forcing-fetus-funerals/

[Chrisoc13]

Pretty sad that the guy who wants me electrocuted, and wants funerals for abortions, is acting more presidential than Trump.

Neither is really true:

http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-suppor ... n-therapy/

http://www.snopes.com/pence-law-forcing-fetus-funerals/

Never let facts get in the way.

The left and the right are increasingly blinded by political memes with no fact checking it seems. Social media effect I guess.

[tgb]

Trump on Day 101:



"Thank you, America, and good night!"

[Smoove_B]

Neither is really true:

http://www.snopes.com/pence-law-forcing-fetus-funerals/

The law, which was passed by the Republican-heavy state legislature, does require that aborted or miscarried fetuses be buried or cremated. It also requires that women involved in these cases be given the chance to decide how this is carried out.

However, it did not require the women involved to be present during — or to pay for — the disposal of the material. Instead, that fell to the facility in which the miscarriage or abortion took place:

In closing:

Pence said when he signed HEA 1337 into law that it would "ensure the dignified final treatment of the unborn." However, it was quickly challenged in court by the American Civil Liberties Union and Planned Parenthood of Indiana. On 30 June 2016, U.S. District Judge Tanya Walton Pratt suspended the law a day before it was slated to take effect.

Pratt's ruling means that, despite the efforts of Pence and state Republicans, Indiana women will not be asked whether to they wish to bury or cremate (rather than donate) their miscarried or aborted fetuses. Even so, had the law not been suspended, parents would not have been forced to hold funerals for abortions or miscarriages — much less at their own expense.

He signed it. A judge ruled women would not be asked about what should be done.

[Holman]

Pretty sad that the guy who wants me electrocuted, and wants funerals for abortions, is acting more presidential than Trump.

Neither is really true:

http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-suppor ... n-therapy/

http://www.snopes.com/pence-law-forcing-fetus-funerals/

But neither is essentially false, either.

Snopes rates this claim (as stated) as mostly false: "Republican vice presidential candidate Mike Pence signed legislation forcing women to hold funerals for miscarried or aborted fetuses."

In fact Pence *did* sign a law requiring funerals for abortions and miscarriages. The part of that makes it false is that the law does not require women to pay for the ceremony--instead, that cost falls on the medical facility.

The gay conversion claim is also rated "mixture," the untrue part being a very specific ad implying that Pence supported electroshock as part of gay conversion therapy.

Pence *does* support public funds for therapies that "change sexual behavior," which is widely understood to mean gay conversion therapies. He is just not on record specifically endorsing the shock method.

[Smoove_B]

Pence *does* support public funds for therapies that "change sexual behavior," which is widely understood to mean gay conversion therapies. He is just not on record specifically endorsing the shock method.

And he's very clearly the type of individual that is comfortable with signing legislation that tries to chip away at the Roe V Wade Supreme Court decision. I said it elsewhere - he sat on his hands and did nothing for two months, allowing an HIV epidemic to spread in rural Indiana because the solution went against his beliefs (needle exchange) - beliefs that weren't even rooted in fact. He first cut funding to Planned Parenthood in 2011 (an HIV testing center) and then refused to allow the NEP to operate. The idea that he's part of an administration that has influence on a national level is disgusting.

[Grifman]

Pretty sad that the guy who wants me electrocuted, and wants funerals for abortions, is acting more presidential than Trump.

Neither is really true:

http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-suppor ... n-therapy/

http://www.snopes.com/pence-law-forcing-fetus-funerals/

But neither is essentially false, either.

But as to the specific claims made by Defiant, yes, his claims were false. Pence did not say he was in favor of electroshock treatment. That is false.

In fact Pence *did* sign a law requiring funerals for abortions and miscarriages.

No, that is not true. A burial or cremation is not a funeral. A funeral is a service involving burial or cremation that is about honoring or commemorating the dead. You can cremate or bury a body without a word being said.

[Paingod]

Unfortunately this is his pattern - mildly 'criticize' him and he throws a tantrum. He will become Presidential any day now.

Now he's demanding "equal time" after being portrayed in an unflattering light (again) on SNL last night. This is the man that's going to be in the White House in two months. Holy crap.

Smoove, you're not mentioning the most important part. He said equal time "for us". Us? Who is "Us" if not us when discussing our leader. Foreshadowing, People!

Who is "us", Precious? Filthy 'crats, filthy plays. They can take their nasty freedoms, Precious. Mock us, will they? We'll make them pay, oh, yes. They'll pay...

[LordMortis]

Was baited in to another stupid US is not a democracy debate. Thanks RM9 for doing half the reference work for me. (the other half of course showing that our god damned (constitutionally limited) republic is still a form of democracy! This stupid game of being pedantically wrong needs to end!)

I am so not looking forward to turkey day. I do not have a good track record of not being baited. The only way my track record improves is when I walk away, and I vowed I will not be silent for the next four years. Please, let me remove myself to football, fixing computers, and missing all political BS. That will be one thing I would be truly thankful for.

[Smoove_B]

No, that is not true. A burial or cremation is not a funeral. A funeral is a service involving burial or cremation that is about honoring or commemorating the dead. You can cremate or bury a body without a word being said.

Fair enough. To be completely accurate, the hit pieces should indicate that Mike Pence signed a law requiring that when a woman experiences a miscarriage or undergoes an abortion, she must be confronted with options on exactly how she would like the remains to be handled. She cannot select "medical research", only cremation or burial. Either way, it's a law created to punish women for undergoing an abortion by forcing them to make an additional decision regarding the remains, presumably with the idea that if they need to tell someone to bury or cremate the the result of the abortion, guilt will instead have them maintain the pregnancy. He's still a troglodyte.

[El Guapo]

Pretty sad that the guy who wants me electrocuted, and wants funerals for abortions, is acting more presidential than Trump.

Neither is really true:

http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-suppor ... n-therapy/

http://www.snopes.com/pence-law-forcing-fetus-funerals/

Never let facts get in the way.

The left and the right are increasingly blinded by political memes with no fact checking it seems. Social media effect I guess.

This type of both sider-ism bothers me, though. Yes, per the subsequent discussion, there are more details and caveats. But it is true that Pence supported (supports) gay conversion therapy, and that he signed a law to force women to make a decision about the burial / cremation of post-abortion remains. But responding to this with "the left and the right both do this" sweeps that in with the 1984-esque bald faced lies of Trumpism.

[Smoove_B]

Trumps $1 Trillion infrstructure plan is hitting speed bumps:

“To just add it to the national debt, I don’t think President-elect Trump or members of the Republican Conference would support that,” said Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a member of the House Transportation Committee and the conservative Freedom Caucus.

I don't think he got the memo yet that a (R) was elected.

But by Wednesday morning, Steven Mnuchin, a leading contender for Treasury secretary, told reporters the transition team was “looking at the creation of an infrastructure bank,” a pot of money that would use federal money to attract state and private dollars to fund projects. It’s hardly a new idea in transportation circles — but Trump’s presidential campaign had blasted Clinton for proposing the same idea, saying such a bank would be “controlled by politicians and bureaucrats in Washington D.C."

President Barack Obama has also repeatedly proposed an infrastructure bank, though that idea went nowhere in Congress.

But Trump said it, so it's good. I can't wait to see what he proposes for the ACA.

[Combustible Lemur]

Trumps $1 Trillion infrstructure plan is hitting speed bumps:

“To just add it to the national debt, I don’t think President-elect Trump or members of the Republican Conference would support that,” said Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), a member of the House Transportation Committee and the conservative Freedom Caucus.

I don't think he got the memo yet that a (R) was elected.

But by Wednesday morning, Steven Mnuchin, a leading contender for Treasury secretary, told reporters the transition team was “looking at the creation of an infrastructure bank,” a pot of money that would use federal money to attract state and private dollars to fund projects. It’s hardly a new idea in transportation circles — but Trump’s presidential campaign had blasted Clinton for proposing the same idea, saying such a bank would be “controlled by politicians and bureaucrats in Washington D.C."

President Barack Obama has also repeatedly proposed an infrastructure bank, though that idea went nowhere in Congress.

But Trump said it, so it's good. I can't wait to see what he proposes for the ACA.

Because auctioning off infrastructure work is going to be great for the brick chucking working class

[Blackhawk]

Either way, it's a law created to punish women for undergoing an abortion

And to strike at stem cell research at the same time. It's a twofer!

[LawBeefaroni]

I honestly cannot believe he is still going off about Hamilton. Ridiculous. Step away from twitter Trump. Most people should honestly tweet very little, I don't understand how they can't see that.

Of course he is. It's bullshit fluff that gets all the press while he's settling lawsuits and hosting the deathmatch for his Cabinet of Destruction.

Pence going to Hamilton was a brilliant move and it scares me that someone in the camp understands this.

Shit like the Hamilton kerfuffle is TMZ level stuff. It should not dominate the news cycle.